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In ME1, my original Engineer Male character, romanced Ashely mainly because i really don't dig tentacles for hair and Tali was not an option depsite me loving her cute accent and innocence.

I originally thought that in ME2, Tali would be a definite shoo-in for me now that Ashley had dumped me because of her lack of faith in me.

However, after playing and completing the game and doing all the loyalty missions, there is something about Tali's character which i do not really like, bucket head or not. Does it not bother any one that Tali is a bigot and desires for racial genocide in the Geth as well as wanting to "save face" in protecting her father's work at all costs even if that meant lying?

Yes, as a person and as i play my main Shepard character, i am uncomfortable with racism and a need to constantly "save face" to the point of outright deception. While i sympathised with the death of the characters's father (which was really quite touching and sad especially since i am a parent and can empathise), her blindless unthinking devotion and loyalty to her father and her race just puts me off. Bigotry, Xenophobia, Prejudice and a need to put up a "good front" does that to me.

Miranda, for all the "Ice Queen" and whatever nonsense gets thrown her character's way, is not really like that as the story moved along.

She is no pro-human **** like TIM but is not an alien apologeticist. She is pragmatic about aliens and the role & space they occupy in thr Universe. Much like my own views and hence, my main character's view. She is neutral and so am i about race issues.

Miranda is not above learning and doing things differently, like when it was advised that she speak to her sister. It was a "growth" moment for her, imho as she wrestles with her need to feel connected and her desire to protect her sensitive feelings by remaining aloof.

After the loyalty mission, there were many moments whereby she displayed that she was following the typical stereotypical "Ice Queen Thawing" and while predictable (in the same way that Jack is the psycho whipped pet who desires assurance and security and Tali is the nerdy geek-chick who cyber stalks the objects of their affection), it seemed to be pretty convincing and in sync with her overall character.

However, there are additional b**ch moments when she acts all superior especially when she volunteers to lead the 2nd Team and maintain the Biotic shield but hey, who is perfect, right?

i think what makes her very human to me and "real" to me is how the dialogue makes her appears like she is adjusting albeit akwardly to opening herself to the main character and maintainly her aloof, pragmatic self.

The winning moment is when she told TIM to fxxk off (if she is in your squad as you make the decision to blow up the Collector Base). She finally realised that TIM is
wrong and that she had learnt certain truths about Cerberus and TIM
(although i don't know how her sister is gonna be protected from
henceforth by Cerberus). Maybe she realised what my character and i did and that is that:
  • Although the Collector technology is superior to current technology, it really is Reaver tech and like what Legion (or someone else said), the Reavers left their technology behind so that they can predict the developmental line of species who adopt and adapt to the obviously superior tech. Hence, if we were to use that, we would be falling into the Reaver's original trap for both the Proteans and the Geth Heretics.
  • That when TIM said that, "Cerberus is Humanity" and the bit about using the Collector/Protean/Reaver tech for human dominance, she realised that TIM's vision for Cerberus is that of a Human equivalent of the KKK or some Neo-**** fascist sh!t and given her neutral, at least, views of aliens. That would not sit well with her.
All these and she got me at, "Promise me you wouldn't die." (oh my, it sounds so similar to my wife would say when i have to go for Army Reservist training). So needy and out of character and yet, so incredibly sweet...makes any male ego swell to hear that....especially if you have been in the military before.

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smut thread alarm going off.. LOL!!!



where the actually in game Miranda pics? XD

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MegWithAMouth wrote...

Semperus wrote...

I would trade 100 Liaras for a Miranda


Liara + Liara * Liara^infinte power < Miranda


Word

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vince0488

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what's a Liara?

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shinobi602

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Oh but I think Warp is works excellently.

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Nadia73 wrote...

smut thread alarm going off.. LOL!!!

where the actually in game Miranda pics? XD

(Awaiting for you to deliver them to us).

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Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 08 février 2010 - 06:52 .


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baedeker: I wouldn't say that Tali is a racist against Geth. Considering that the Quarian made the Geth, in their view it would be like Humans going on a rampage destroying all the Furbees and an alien looking down thinking we're monsters for genociding the poor little critters.



However wrong Tali is, I see the Quarian position on taking out the Geth. And I do dislike how the Flotilla never bothered sharing information that there is a difference between the Geth and the Heretical Geth (Perhaps they never even realized it).

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Wow, thread still going strong. Great work everyone!

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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P


he's right. this thread is about loooooove. let us not go down to the level of clashing

Modifié par vince0488, 08 février 2010 - 06:55 .


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vince0488 wrote...

what's a Liara?


Some kind of Vorch--

Wait... this feels oddly familiar.

EDIT: Wow, so many different posts in such a short amount of time. I need to clarify now so I don't need to later, I do NOT believe that Liara is a member of the Vorcha species and that she is in fact an Aasari.

/facesave

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 08 février 2010 - 06:57 .


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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P


Yes.

This is a LOVE thread!


Lots of people who support this thread are fans of lots of different characters (I even tried to make a Mordin thread at the same time, but it didn't get going as well.). I'm glad Deltaboy took time out of his busy schedule of Liara support to give us scads of great Yvonne pictures.

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andysilv87 wrote...

Wow, thread still going strong. Great work everyone!

We're holding line the best we can and keeping up the fight.

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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P


Ah, sorry Delta. Got carried away with Miranda love for a second. Won't happen again. :)

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 Great work today everyone. I'm going off to bed. I'll see everyone tomorrow.

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I can't believe i'm making myslef play through the game as a paragon just to see how Miranda acts differently in her converstaions, and interrupts..This is dedication, damn it. It's hard not be a jerk in this game(or any game where i'm concerned)

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cya commander!

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vince0488 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P


he's right. this thread is about loooooove. let us not go down to the level of clashing


"As it is written: " Miranda have I loved, but Liara have I hated"

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AccursedOdin wrote...

vince0488 wrote...

what's a Liara?


Some kind of Vorch--

Wait... this feels oddly familiar.


lol i just had to do it. now i feel bad:blush:

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Alright guys, about that time for me to crash and burn.

2 AM here and got a photonics class in the morning lol. Keep up the great work! Another day, another 30 pages :P

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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I just had to wake from sleep to tell you off to lay off the Liara vs Miranda. Liara is my 1st love thank you very much and you guys and gals are breaking my heart. Let's just say we love Miranda and lets not drive my precious Liara into the ground... please.  :crying:


okay g'nite :P



yeah i'm neutral... I like everybody- even jacob (but never use him in my squad EVER  :lol:  and okay well i just tolerate him) seriously, i only take him when i only have two members and on his loyalty mission.  :P


don't make fun of the other character because... well, some of those people will come get you while you're sleeping.


no, not the game characters, the fans, sillies!

:lol:

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AccursedOdin

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Later Shinobi, we'll keep the thread strong in your absence.

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Catch ya later, Shinobi. It's 7am here, I just woke up, lol

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vince0488

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take care shino! don't think about Chuck too much lol

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awwww, going to bed so early! 2am is for wimps! LOL



night peeps that are going



I'm still up and playing yet another ME2 game!! ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!



now I'm a male shep and I'm gonna have me some Mirandacakes... I'll stay loyal to her and see where it goes in ME3.. Ashley hates me anyways.. LOL