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[Sarevok Anchev]

crackseed wrote...

There was an excellent thread posted earlier in the main discussion forum - felt like with this board open it would be fun to get some Soldier discussion going.

That being said, what have you folks been running for a build? What's your bonus talent and why?

Currently I'm running:
Heightened Adrenaline Rush [4]
Concussive Shot [2]
Disruptor Ammo [2]
Inferno Ammo [4]
Cryo Ammo [1]
Commando [4]
Improved Geth Shield Boost [4]

I am planning to change this up based on discussion, but so far this has been carrying me through Hardcore just fine and GSB in particular gives you extra flexibility. Admittedly, my use of Adrenaline Rush still needs work as I should be using it alot more which would probably make my need of GSB lessen. I'm also pondering dropping to Shock Trooper since the weapon damage difference is relatively slight and easily made up by some of the armor choices.

So what are you folks running with/enjoying for your Soldiers?

When i started my 2nd Char, a Soldier, for Insanity i also chose Geth-Shield, but the gaming became very frustrating.
I used
Disruptor Ammo (4) [getting down the Shields and using Biotics from Companions + vs. Synthetics]
Passive Skill: More Damage (4) [getting every inch of +Damage]
Get Shield (2) [Extra Shields + Shield Recharge are nice, but wont help much on Insane]

The Shields were just blocking me from using the main Power of the Soldier and inital Precasting of the Shields were a good Idea, but even Maximum Shields with +Shields Armor etc. wont give you more then 2 Seconds in Enemy Crossfire on insane. Thus: Use Cover and kill the Enemys, before they dish out Damage.

Before i got to the Collector Ship the first time, i rechose my Extra Power and relocated all my points.
When i got the Revenant-Gun my Soldier started to really dish out damage.
New Skills:

Adrenaline(50% DR) (4) [This is your Offense AND Defense against Enemys; the 70% Slow is only necessary, when you are weak in Aiming. The DR saved my a55 especially against the Bomb from Harbinger, so that the "No-Cover Crossfire doesnt kill me instantly; also it lets you fire on everyone when they are the best to hit: While Firing :) ]

Passive Skill: More Damage (4) [The Extra Powertime is ok, but 0,15x4 isnt much for me, when i can dish out more]
Warp Ammo (4) [THIS really made the damage good! The Disruptors are against the weakest defense>useless
But this is against Barriers, Armor good + EXTRA Damage against Health and Biotic-Targets]

The Rest became almost pointless. I just put some Points into Disruptor for Geth-Fights and Concussive Shot for the Fun

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matt654321 wrote...

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matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Turin_4 wrote...

Yeah, I was regretting that I couldn't change from Revenant to Widow when I replayed on Insanity, and discovered the Geth Pulse Rifle. The Revenant is better than the GPR, but not by a whole lot, I don't think-and that one-shot kill ability of the Widow would've been handy.

my problem the widow is the lack of rounds for it. The GPR is a good gun but if you have the Disrupter rounds it kinda seems like a waste to me. But if its working for you then thats a great set up. THough have you tried the Avenger or the Vindicator instead of the GPR with the disrupter rounds?

Yes. Neither of them hold a candle to the Geth Pulse Rifle IMO (especially not the Avenger). Geth Pulse Rifle + Tungsten Ammo shreds any defense in seconds, making it much better all around than the Revenant.

In the build I posted, Disruptor Ammo is mostly filler (and you should max it last - do it in this order: AR, AP Ammo, Commando, Concussive Shot, Disruptor Ammo). It's great for all geth levels, but otherwise it's not necessary when you have GPR + Tungsten Ammo.

The Geth Pulse Rifle does the least amount of damage per shot of any of the assault rifles, by far.

the GPR being good is all in your head bro

It also has the highest rate of fire (DPS = Damage per bullet * rate of fire). And I guess me beating insanity with it was also all in my head?

GPR is slightly worse than revenant, but not enough so as to justify not taking the widow. The combination of the two guns is absolutely devastating.

The Vindicator and Revenant both do more DPS, actually. The GPR does shoot very fast, but it does half the base bullet damage of the Avenger, but gains effectiveness versus shields and barriers. I think it has a 1.35 modifier against shields and barriers, where the Avenger and Vindicator have 1.25. Even if the GPR had a RoF of 2000 rounds per minute (Which is doesn't lol) the Revenant and Vindicator would still out DPS it.

It's cool that you beat insanity with it, but that still doesn't make it a good AR. TBH, once you have this game down you could beat it with a pistol if you know what you're doing.

Modifié par blank1, 12 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[Crackseed]

I like the GPR, but even I have to admit it's more of a "fun" weapon to use versus an effective one. I'm not a fan of the Vindicator but it's just impossible to argue with the Revenant. I look forward to really trying the Widow with my Infiltrator, but any time I'm allowed to pick the Revenant I'll do so just because it's an all around godsend.

I also have a minor gripe with how they position the GPR on your back >.> Haha.

[Kaorunandrak]

Plus it looks like a silver cockroach egg. But i think any build weapon load out is good as long as it works. If its working for you then way to go bro.



And slam is fun yes but it rarely works on insane in the hands of a soldier shep. I've already said this like 5 times in this thread I belive lol.



And we have also already proven that AP ammo rips Inferno rounds a new ass hole in terms of damage potential as well. While still crediting it for its set organics on fire if theyre in the health bar stage.(but we also said by the time this happens AP ammo has killed said baddie so the need for panic is moot) Also have addressed its -regen bonus on Krogans and vorcha as moot since AP ammo Front loads all its damage it over powers their regen and they die very quickly.



And we have already said warp ammo is a good all around power but you can take team members who are warp/overload specialist or even jack who has warp ammo and have enough anti barrier that you can get Ap ammo and work on actually kill the mobs then playing with their deffenses.



And we also said for the most part deffenses are useless on insane.



But we have also already said that Hey if it works for you fuggin awesome!! I am really glad there are so many different builds and setups that people have. Keep them coming!

[Crackseed]

Yeah, I was tempted to try a few biotic bonus skills but it just felt off to me - can't argue with the potential to CC but like Kao and a few others here, I found that any cooldown inducing bonus skill actually detracted from the Soldier's playstyle for me. If I want to pop a CD, it'll be either my AR or CS and even when I had the sexy Imp GSB, trying to juggle 3 activate cooldowns often left me in a bad spot when I picked wrong [which occured more then I care to admit :3]

[matt654321]

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matt654321 wrote...

blank1 wrote...

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Turin_4 wrote...

Yeah, I was regretting that I couldn't change from Revenant to Widow when I replayed on Insanity, and discovered the Geth Pulse Rifle. The Revenant is better than the GPR, but not by a whole lot, I don't think-and that one-shot kill ability of the Widow would've been handy.

my problem the widow is the lack of rounds for it. The GPR is a good gun but if you have the Disrupter rounds it kinda seems like a waste to me. But if its working for you then thats a great set up. THough have you tried the Avenger or the Vindicator instead of the GPR with the disrupter rounds?

Yes. Neither of them hold a candle to the Geth Pulse Rifle IMO (especially not the Avenger). Geth Pulse Rifle + Tungsten Ammo shreds any defense in seconds, making it much better all around than the Revenant.

In the build I posted, Disruptor Ammo is mostly filler (and you should max it last - do it in this order: AR, AP Ammo, Commando, Concussive Shot, Disruptor Ammo). It's great for all geth levels, but otherwise it's not necessary when you have GPR + Tungsten Ammo.

The Geth Pulse Rifle does the least amount of damage per shot of any of the assault rifles, by far.

the GPR being good is all in your head bro

It also has the highest rate of fire (DPS = Damage per bullet * rate of fire). And I guess me beating insanity with it was also all in my head?

GPR is slightly worse than revenant, but not enough so as to justify not taking the widow. The combination of the two guns is absolutely devastating.

The Vindicator and Revenant both do more DPS, actually. The GPR does shoot very fast, but it does half the base bullet damage of the Avenger, but gains effectiveness versus shields and barriers. I think it has a 1.35 modifier against shields and barriers, where the Avenger and Vindicator have 1.25. Even if the GPR had a RoF of 2000 rounds per minute (Which is doesn't lol) the Revenant and Vindicator would still out DPS it.

It's cool that you beat insanity with it, but that still doesn't make it a good AR. TBH, once you have this game down you could beat it with a pistol if you know what you're doing.

First off, the Vindicator does not have a higher DPS than GPR because it has a much higher refire time (GPR is fully auto).

Second, yes, the Revenant is better. We know that. What I'm saying is that the combo of GPR + Widow is better than taking the Revenant. The GPR is not that much worse than the Revenant and the Widow is absolutely amazing. The GPR also covers the defenses that the Widow can't cover. There is no other gun that can combo with the Revenant to deal with that many situations as effectively.

[Crackseed]

Actually yes there is If you run the Revenant + the Mantis sniper, you're basically achieving the same pairing. The Widow does about 100 more damage per shot, so you can't argue that the Mantis "comes close" but the Mantis itself is still 200+ damage per shot and the same ammo count. As a long distance tagging weapon coupled with the Carnifex/Predator, it's arguably a BETTER combo then Widow + GPR depending on playstyle.

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

Actually yes there is If you run the Revenant + the Mantis sniper, you're basically achieving the same pairing. The Widow does about 100 more damage per shot, so you can't argue that the Mantis "comes close" but the Mantis itself is still 200+ damage per shot and the same ammo count. As a long distance tagging weapon coupled with the Carnifex/Predator, it's arguably a BETTER combo then Widow + GPR depending on playstyle.

That combo has a max multiplier of 1.2 against shields... I don't think you understand what's good about the pairing at all.

[Crackseed]

I don't regard shields/barriers as a problem, so this again highlights the point of "playstyle preference" I tend to run the Viper as a long range shield killer, equipped with Heavy Disruptor. I almost exclusively use my Rev to finish off targets once I'm within optimal accuracy range. Stripping shields off everything at extreme range and then cover hopping with AR/CS + Revenant for the glory kills up close.

Modifié par crackseed, 12 février 2010 - 07:45 .

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

I don't regard shields/barriers as a problem, so this again highlights the point of "playstyle preference" I tend to run the Viper as a long range shield killer, equipped with Heavy Disruptor. I almost exclusively use my Rev to finish off targets one I'm within optimal accuracy range. Stripping shields off everything at extreme range and then cover hopping with AR/CS + Revenant for the glory kills up close.

That requires you to invest in the inferior disruptor ammo earlier, though. GPR lets you avoid that.

[Crackseed]

Disruptor ammo is hardly inferior, and you are also forgetting that you do not get access to the GPR until post Horizon. Depending on your progression you may have the Viper before it. Though it's safe to assume for debate that we're talking about a game where you have access to everything by now.

Don't get me wrong - I LIKE the GPR. It's my fave non specialty AR and I have a blast using it, but I just think the combo of GPR + Widow comes down to playstyle and isn't necessarily superior OR inferior to the Rev + Viper combo. While I look forward to using the Widow in a new game, I just don't relish my main weapon being a single shot, 12 ammo backup. Nevermind the Revenant just totally thrills my inner mayhem machine

Modifié par crackseed, 12 février 2010 - 07:57 .

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

Disruptor ammo is hardly inferior,

Yes it is. It does +60% damage against one defense. AP Ammo does +70% damage against a much more common defense AND health.

crackseed wrote...
and you are also forgetting that you do not get access to the GPR until post Horizon.

And you can't get Revenant until much later than that.

crackseed wrote...
Depending on your progression you may have the Viper before it. Though it's safe to assume for debate that we're talking about a game where you have access to everything by now.

You brought it up.

crackseed wrote...
Don't get me wrong - I LIKE the GPR. It's my fave non specialty AR and I have a blast using it, but I just think the combo of GPR + Widow comes down to playstyle and isn't necessarily superior OR inferior to the Rev + Viper combo. While I look forward to using the Widow in a new game, I just don't relish my main weapon being a single shot, 12 ammo backup. Nevermind the Revenant just totally thrills my inner mayhem machine

I'm saying that GPR + Widow has incredible synergy. Revenant + Viper does not - they both have high multipliers vs. the same defense. Soldiers have no access otherwise to weapons that can destroy barriers and shields as fast (except for shotguns, but you need to be point-blank for that).

[Crackseed]

You're being a touch defensive on this I am not decrying your choice of setup - I'm pointing out that favoring and claiming the GPR + Widow provide "incredible synergy" when in my books, a Viper + Disruptor ammo for long range shield work backed by a Revenant with AP ammo that handles everything w/o issue is just as solid synergy. The GPR may have a 1.35 shield/barrier modifier, but considering it's 3.7 damage per shot, it better have something going for it considering on insanity it can take a full clip to even drop one target.

At the end of the day, I like my choice of weaponry and feel it suits my playstyle and gives me excellent synergy. You favor a Widow + GPR and love the complimentary firepower it provides. Last I checked, that's the fun of gaming - differing ways to do stuff 

Modifié par crackseed, 12 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

You're being a touch defensive on this I am not decrying your choice of setup - I'm pointing out that favoring and claiming the GPR + Widow provide "incredible synergy" when in my books, a Viper + Disruptor ammo for long range shield work backed by a Revenant with AP ammo that handles everything w/o issue is just as solid synergy. The GPR may have a 1.35 shield/barrier modifier, but considering it's 3.7 damage per shot, it better have something going for it considering on insanity it can take a full clip to even drop one target.

At the end of the day, I like my choice of weaponry and feel it suits my playstyle and gives me excellent synergy. You favor a Widow + GPR and love the complimentary firepower it provides. Last I checked, that's the fun of gaming - differing ways to do stuff 

I'm not being defensive, I'm merely responding to your comments. You're claiming that it's a style choice, but it's really not. Between the two guns you can handle any defense, leaving your ammo skill open for something better than disruptor ammo.

Your setup may work, but the setup that I'm offering has actual metagame value, not just 'my preference.'

[Kaorunandrak]

Good job crackseed lol.



I'll also add one more thing that people seem to forget about disrupter ammo alot and that is weapon overloading. I talked about this in my last few posts and have said alot about it here as well. Investing in disrupter ammo allows you to overload everyones weapons even if they dont have shields. If their weapons are over loaded they cant fire and it takes them a good 5-6 seconds for them to figure out whats going on and eject their heat clip to continue fireing.



The REV + AP ammo and Viper + Disrupter ammo is the same set up I have been using since playthrough 2 on my soldier its a wicked setup that works very well. Due to the Vipers superior fire rate and clip size versus the other snipers you can easily strip shields/overload weapons from relative safety before you level the room. and with the sniper rifle upgrades + visor the viper becomes a very effective and dangerous sniper rifle in terms of head shot killing.



This setup also means your not going to be running out of ammo. My problem with taking the Widow on my shep is the fact at most I can only have 1(13) rounds on what is basicly my main weapon. That is something im not comfortable with in terms of the widow. And is why I get and use legion because he also gets the widow and he does some insane damage with it.



My problem with the GPR is just plain stoping power it doesnt have the punch I need. The REV however does and how ever fast you might be able to take some one out with the GPR I can do the same if not faster with my REV and still have rounds in my clip to take out at least 2-3 more people before I have to reload. Again the GPR is a good gun and when I get Legion that is the assualt rifle he uses.



If your set up works for you thats great its sounds like a solid set up with how you described it. But our set up works for us as well and is a solid set up as well. To each their own and no need to get deffensive/angry/frustrated/ETC. Its a game and this is a place to share our view points about said game.

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

My problem with the GPR is just plain stoping power it doesnt have the punch I need. The REV however does and how ever fast you might be able to take some one out with the GPR I can do the same if not faster with my REV and still have rounds in my clip to take out at least 2-3 more people before I have to reload. Again the GPR is a good gun and when I get Legion that is the assualt rifle he uses.

But you sacrafice not having the Widow for that increase. IMO, Revenant - GPR < Widow - Viper.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
If your set up works for you thats great its sounds like a solid set up with how you described it. But our set up works for us as well and is a solid set up as well. To each their own and no need to get deffensive/angry/frustrated/ETC. Its a game and this is a place to share our view points about said game.

I'm not getting defensive; I'm merely responding to your points. If you think that this is being overly defensive, then you haven't been on the internet very long.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that your setup doesn't work. I'm responding mainly to the comment 'The effectiveness of the GPR is all in your head.'  I know that my setup works, possibly better than the other setups out there.

[Su-do]

Kao makes the strongest case for the setup I used as well.



GPR is too specalized, soon as those sheilds were stripped it felt like I was shooting an automatic BB gun at targets. This was on just Hardcore too, id hate to imagine how many rounds you end up wasting on Insanity.



Adren rush just doesn't have the same sort of punch as Infiltrators stealth damage bonus, so the Widow just felt like it wasn't right.



Rev + AP is just too good to ignore.

[Kaorunandrak]

matt654321 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

You're being a touch defensive on this I am not decrying your choice of setup - I'm pointing out that favoring and claiming the GPR + Widow provide "incredible synergy" when in my books, a Viper + Disruptor ammo for long range shield work backed by a Revenant with AP ammo that handles everything w/o issue is just as solid synergy. The GPR may have a 1.35 shield/barrier modifier, but considering it's 3.7 damage per shot, it better have something going for it considering on insanity it can take a full clip to even drop one target.

At the end of the day, I like my choice of weaponry and feel it suits my playstyle and gives me excellent synergy. You favor a Widow + GPR and love the complimentary firepower it provides. Last I checked, that's the fun of gaming - differing ways to do stuff 

I'm not being defensive, I'm merely responding to your comments. You're claiming that it's a style choice, but it's really not. Between the two guns you can handle any defense, leaving your ammo skill open for something better than disruptor ammo.

Your setup may work, but the setup that I'm offering has actual metagame value, not just 'my preference.'

I'm sorry but yeah you are getting defensive.

Last I checked if you slot your class skill your adrenaline rush your concusive shot your loyalty power all up to 4 you still have enough to slot disrupter rounds to 4 plus slot a point into inferno. so your not wasteing any points into anything.

Also your not taking into consideration team set up you HAVE to bring 2 team members with you and most of them if not all of them have powers/weapon choices that can take out shields/barriers faster and with less chances of death then you can.

IF you want to talk about pure damage factor GPR+ Widow still falls short of REV+ Mantis or Viper. the GPR does not have anywhere near enough base damage to compare to the REV at all. both are full auto and you still can fire more rounds and kill more people with the REV then you can with the GPR. The widow while having high burst damage does not have enough ammo for it to compete DPS wise. Pairing it with the Vindicator or Avenger or the Collector rifle is highly viable and gives you more stoping power then the GPR.

The other thing to remember is you can designate different ammo load outs to different weapons such as placing AP ammo on your AR and Disrupter on your sniper allwoing you to transition between the two damage types easily. and with out cooldown issue either.

[Crackseed]

Sorry Matt, not suggesting you're being "needlessly" defensive, just feels like you're trying to hammer the point home and rely on the fact that the GPR's "better" shield penetration means it couples with the Widow to provide a better setup. I made a pretty heavy use of the GPR for awhile and I just found myself going back to the Rev every time even against shielded targets because while it has only 1.2 bonus, it's fire rate AND damage per shot plus clip size means even against a GPR with AP, I kill targets faster with less shots [and thus less exposure to return fire]. As I have not made use of a Widow for long range target killing but have used both the Mantis/Viper as backup long range killing, I'm not able to completely comment on what a GPR + Widow setup would be like, but given my experiences with my chosen setup, the knowledge of their bonuses, my power choices and playthroughs, I don't buy the claim that GPR + Widow outperforms Rev + non-Widow sniper backup.

My apologies if the defensive comment caused any annoyance, wasn't meaning to

[Kaorunandrak]

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

My problem with the GPR is just plain stoping power it doesnt have the punch I need. The REV however does and how ever fast you might be able to take some one out with the GPR I can do the same if not faster with my REV and still have rounds in my clip to take out at least 2-3 more people before I have to reload. Again the GPR is a good gun and when I get Legion that is the assualt rifle he uses.

But you sacrafice not having the Widow for that increase. IMO, Revenant - GPR < Widow - Viper.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
If your set up works for you thats great its sounds like a solid set up with how you described it. But our set up works for us as well and is a solid set up as well. To each their own and no need to get deffensive/angry/frustrated/ETC. Its a game and this is a place to share our view points about said game.

I'm not getting defensive; I'm merely responding to your points. If you think that this is being overly defensive, then you haven't been on the internet very long.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that your setup doesn't work. I'm responding mainly to the comment 'The effectiveness of the GPR is all in your head.'  I know that my setup works, possibly better than the other setups out there.

That was something niether my self nor crackseed said bro so your responding to the wrong people.

also my team set up DOES have the widow via legion. And he is a power house with it. and if you combine him with Miranda with overload/Warp or Jack with squad warp ammo he is a friggen beast with the gun and can easily provide cover fire for me while I tear people apart with the REV.

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

I'm sorry but yeah you are getting defensive.

I'm calmly responding to each of your points. If you want to keep calling me defensive I'll start being so if you really want.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Last I checked if you slot your class skill your adrenaline rush your concusive shot your loyalty power all up to 4 you still have enough to slot disrupter rounds to 4 plus slot a point into inferno. so your not wasteing any points into anything.

Yes, but you don't have to invest in it as quickly. It takes ten levels to get those last 10 points.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Also your not taking into consideration team set up you HAVE to bring 2 team members with you and most of them if not all of them have powers/weapon choices that can take out shields/barriers faster and with less chances of death then you can.

You still have team members with my setup. You can use them to do other things or take down defenses twice as quickly.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
IF you want to talk about pure damage factor GPR+ Widow still falls short of REV+ Mantis or Viper. the GPR does not have anywhere near enough base damage to compare to the REV at all. both are full auto and you still can fire more rounds and kill more people with the REV then you can with the GPR.

The argument is not that GPR > Revenant. Stop trying to make it seem like that.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
The widow while having high burst damage does not have enough ammo for it to compete DPS wise. Pairing it with the Vindicator or Avenger or the Collector rifle is highly viable and gives you more stoping power then the GPR.

First off, the GPR has enough ammo to compensate. Second, the Widow regains two shots per heatsink. I never ran out of ammo on the Widow during my soldier insanity playthrough at all.

The Widow is actually more efficient than the Viper ammo wise. It has a lower number, but the Viper takes many more shots to kill enemies.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
The other thing to remember is you can designate different ammo load outs to different weapons such as placing AP ammo on your AR and Disrupter on your sniper allwoing you to transition between the two damage types easily. and with out cooldown issue either.

Yes, but you're switching weapons anyway. No one is arguing that you can't do that.

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

That was something niether my self nor crackseed said bro so your responding to the wrong people.

You're arguing for why it wouldn't work or wouldn't be equal. I'm arguing the counterpoint. If you don't want to discuss it, don't bother to post.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
also my team set up DOES have the widow via legion. And he is a power house with it. and if you combine him with Miranda with overload/Warp or Jack with squad warp ammo he is a friggen beast with the gun and can easily provide cover fire for me while I tear people apart with the REV.

So does that mean that Vanguards don't have to take the Claymore if they have Grunt? Not quite.

[Tryst]

I just don't see the GPR as being that good. Yes, it fires fast, but the damage is small and after using it just felt like it didn't even strip shields down that much faster compared to others. Admittedly, I don't have a save to run back to and try again, so will have to wait to retry it. As for Widow vs Viper, as a soldier, I found little difference. Viper has an extra second of exposure time to deliver the same amount of damage, but that's really it.



If the gamefaqs page on weapon damage is right, I don't even see how the GPR can even be close to being any good compared to a Vindicator or Revenant. It lists GPR at 3.7 damage, 1000 rof, with a 1.35 shield bonus. Revenant at 21.3 damage, 700 rof, with a 1.2 shield bonus. Given that, using the full 1000 rounds, not sure what the timeframe is though I suspect 60 seconds, the GPR would do 4995 damage, the Revenant would do 17,892 and that's against shields. Vindicator would do over 40,000, but you'd run into ammo concerns long, long before that. Sniper rifles are actually far closer than you paint them as well. Widow does 368.3 per shot with a 1.5 second reload time, Viper is at 81.9 and can be fired every 0.25 seconds or so by pressing the button repeatedly. It takes 4.5 Viper shots to equal one Widow shot, but that's only 1.25 seconds. So it's not nearly as large of a difference.

[Crackseed]

Well I don't want to unfairly mitigate Matt's point - alot of response posts keep hedging on the GPR as his main weapon when it's the Widow, backed by the GPR. The GPR is a great fallback weapon if you choose the Widow.

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

Well I don't want to unfairly mitigate Matt's point - alot of response posts keep hedging on the GPR as his main weapon when it's the Widow, backed by the GPR. The GPR is a great fallback weapon if you choose the Widow.

Thank you, I'm glad you understand. I'm not saying GPR is better than Revenant. I'm saying that the Widow is much better than the Viper (should be an obvious fact) and that the GPR compliments it well. The soldier is the only class that can pull off this combo.