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[Kaorunandrak]

Who said you have to invest it it more quickly? My first play through was normal and deffenses arent an issue there. Within the first hour of my second play through I was level 30 and slotting didnt matter anymore.



And from what you have wrote you are saying the GPR is the same as the REV which isn't true.



And as far as the widow is concerned I said those are my issue's with the gun. If a weapon is going to be my main gun i want something reliable that there won't be any chance of running out of ammunition in a fire fight so for me the Widow fails.



As far as the viper goes 2 shots in the head is usually the end of anyone with that gun. widow/ Mantis usually takes one shot but for me the viper is better because of the extra rounds. I can take out more people with less reload same as the REV.



and on insane few team members are good for anything more then just taking out deffenses. Legion is one of the only members I have seen that still does hideous amounts of damage that can be used as anything but defense sapping. Garrus is decent once you do his loyalty mission.a team of Garrus/overload/sniper and mirranda overload/warp/smg will take out shields before you even can fire if you use them right.

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Who said you have to invest it it more quickly? My first play through was normal and deffenses arent an issue there. Within the first hour of my second play through I was level 30 and slotting didnt matter anymore.

Of course NG+ order doesn't matter. Most people play through insanity with a new character to avoid scaling problems without upgrades.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
And from what you have wrote you are saying the GPR is the same as the REV which isn't true.

No, I'm not. I've said that's not what I'm saying at least 5 times now.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
And as far as the widow is concerned I said those are my issue's with the gun. If a weapon is going to be my main gun i want something reliable that there won't be any chance of running out of ammunition in a fire fight so for me the Widow fails.

You'll only be running out of ammo if you miss a lot. If you miss a lot with AR then you need better aim.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
As far as the viper goes 2 shots in the head is usually the end of anyone with that gun.

Not anything important, and random mooks go down pretty quickly to the GPR + AP Ammo.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
widow/ Mantis usually takes one shot but for me the viper is better because of the extra rounds. I can take out more people with less reload same as the REV.

Again, the Viper isn't actually more ammo efficient than the Widow. Random mooks go down to everything quickly, even the GPR.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
and on insane few team members are good for anything more then just taking out deffenses.

First of all, that isn't true. Even if we pretend that it is, that still doesn't help your argument. There are two possible cases:

Case 1: The ally's power took down the entirety of the enemy's defense. That means that enemy is going down quickly with either the GPR the Revenant. Mooks die fast even with the GPR. Try it.

Case 2: The ally's power didn't take down the entirety of the enemy's defenses. If it was against shields or barrier, then the GPR is going to take it down about as fast as the Revenant. If it was against armor, the Widow is going to destroy it much more quickly than the Revenant.

[Kaorunandrak]

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...
And from what you have wrote you are saying the GPR is the same as the REV which isn't true.

No, I'm not. I've said that's not what I'm saying at least 5 times now.

yes you have you have said at least four times now that the GPR is just as good as the Rev or that the REV isnt much better then GPR. which sorry the REV is a much better weapon the the GPR for just about everything.

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...
And as far as the widow is concerned I said those are my issue's with the gun. If a weapon is going to be my main gun i want something reliable that there won't be any chance of running out of ammunition in a fire fight so for me the Widow fails.

You'll only be running out of ammo if you miss a lot. If you miss a lot with AR then you need better aim.

you will be running out of ammo as you fire the gun. And I said if a weapon is going to be my MAIN gun then I want it to not have any chance of running out of ammo 13-14 shot from my main weapon before its useless until I leave cover and grab some more heat sinks for it is not comfortable for me personally. If I leave cover then everyone better be dead or falling back.

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...
As far as the viper goes 2 shots in the head is usually the end of anyone with that gun.

Not anything important, and random mooks go down pretty quickly to the GPR + AP Ammo.

This was ment for Viper VS. Widow

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...
widow/ Mantis usually takes one shot but for me the viper is better because of the extra rounds. I can take out more people with less reload same as the REV.

Again, the Viper isn't actually more ammo efficient than the Widow. Random mooks go down to everything quickly, even the GPR.

Ok how exactly is a gun limited to 14 rounds total at best more effcient to a gun that holds 60 rounds at best? IF I kill 14 people and they take the max I have ever had to use with the viper to kill some one which is 2 shots I use 28 rounds and have reloaded 3 times with 32 rounds left to kill. If I use the Widow to do the same and get one shot kills i have expended all my rounds and taken much longer to kill due to reloading after every single shot.

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...
and on insane few team members are good for anything more then just taking out deffenses.

First of all, that isn't true. Even if we pretend that it is, that still doesn't help your argument. There are two possible cases:

Case 1: The ally's power took down the entirety of the enemy's defense. That means that enemy is going down quickly with either the GPR the Revenant. Mooks die fast even with the GPR. Try it.

Case 2: The ally's power didn't take down the entirety of the enemy's defenses. If it was against shields or barrier, then the GPR is going to take it down about as fast as the Revenant. If it was against armor, the Widow is going to destroy it much more quickly than the Revenant.

Yeah it is allys damage is not as significant on insane compared to your own. This makes them suffer in killing and unless you give them direct orders half the time they run out of cover or stand up to long and are killed almost instantly due to the mobs increased damage. And the REV + AP Ammo will take out armor just as fast as the widow.

Modifié par Kaorunandrak, 12 février 2010 - 10:01 .

[Crackseed]

I have nothing new to add but I just want to put in a giggle at the use of the word "mooks" - I think I'm going to start saying that aloud when I'm smack talking mercs as I kill them now.

[Kaorunandrak]

lol

this is all needless anyways. Mat I'm glad you have a setup you like and think is superior great job go kill some more collectors I'm going to go do the same with my set up.

Modifié par Kaorunandrak, 12 février 2010 - 10:11 .

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

yes you have you have said at least four times now that the GPR is just as good as the Rev or that the REV isnt much better then GPR. which sorry the REV is a much better weapon the the GPR for just about everything.

You're flat-out lying. Quote me saying that, I dare you. You're starting to look like a troll.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
you will be running out of ammo as you fire the gun. And I said if a weapon is going to be my MAIN gun then I want it to not have any chance of running out of ammo 13-14 shot from my main weapon before its useless until I leave cover and grab some more heat sinks for it is not comfortable for me personally. If I leave cover then everyone better be dead or falling back.

Sigh, you really can't think quantitatively at all, can you.

Widow is more efficient than the Viper because its ammo*damage is moer than the Viper's ammo*damage. If you ran out of ammo with the Viper, you either missed or you're in a situation where you'd also run out of ammo with the Viper.

Even if so, the GPR won't run out of am

Kaorunandrak wrote...

This was ment for Viper VS. Widow

More evidence that you don't even understand what I'm saying. You don't compare the two in a vacuum. It's not GPR vs. Revenant and Viper vs. Widow, it's GPR + Widow vs. Revenant + Viper.

And heaven forbid that you ever need to switch guns when you're playing as a soldier.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Ok how exactly is a gun limited to 14 rounds total at best more effcient to a gun that holds 60 rounds at best? IF I kill 14 people and they take the max I have ever had to use with the viper to kill some one which is 2 shots I use 28 rounds and have reloaded 3 times with 32 rounds left to kill. If I use the Widow to do the same and get one shot kills i have expended all my rounds and taken much longer to kill due to reloading after every single shot.

Again, Widow has better ammo*damage. That makes it more efficient. If a mook is going down to two viper shots, you shouldn't be using the Widow. You should be using the GPR, which will kill anything that the Viper can 2-shot quickly enough.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Yeah it is allys damage is not as significant on insane compared to your own. This makes them suffer in killing and unless you give them direct orders half the time they run out of cover or stand up to long and are killed almost instantly due to the mobs increased damage.

First you argue that the GPR isn't effective because you can just use teammates to break defenses. Now you say that they aren't good for that. You should make up your mind just to start, but either way you aren't making sense.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
And the REV + AP Ammo will take out armor just as fast as the widow.

Nope. This is very simple math. Widow's base damage is far higher than the Revenant's. The Widow's multiplier against armor is 1.5 and the Revenant's is 1.4. When you multiply two bigger numbers, you will always get a higher result than when you multiply two smaller numbers (assuming they're all non-negative).



At this point you seem like you're arguing just to be loud, which is trollish behavior. You're lying about what I'm saying, you're contradicting yourself, and you're failing to perform very basic math. I recommend that you stop bothering before you make yourself look worse.

[Kaorunandrak]

matt654321 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Turin_4 wrote...

Yeah, I was regretting that I couldn't change from Revenant to Widow when I replayed on Insanity, and discovered the Geth Pulse Rifle. The Revenant is better than the GPR, but not by a whole lot, I don't think-and that one-shot kill ability of the Widow would've been handy.

my problem the widow is the lack of rounds for it. The GPR is a good gun but if you have the Disrupter rounds it kinda seems like a waste to me. But if its working for you then thats a great set up. THough have you tried the Avenger or the Vindicator instead of the GPR with the disrupter rounds?

Yes. Neither of them hold a candle to the Geth Pulse Rifle IMO (especially not the Avenger). Geth Pulse Rifle + Tungsten Ammo shreds any defense in seconds, making it much better all around than the Revenant.

In the build I posted, Disruptor Ammo is mostly filler (and you should max it last - do it in this order: AR, AP Ammo, Commando, Concussive Shot, Disruptor Ammo). It's great for all geth levels, but otherwise it's not necessary when you have GPR + Tungsten Ammo.

Im flat out lieing eh?

Also I said their damage suffers not their defensive sapping. For example Miranda can overload/warp from the safety of cover. But he weapon damage is insignificant unless coupled with something else. And unless you give her orders, for the most part she just stands there in the open to die.

Also you need to factor in how many shots with the widow it takes to remove a full bar of ammo plus reload time between those shots and how much cover time you took between the shots as well.
 
Then once youve done that you need to factor how many rounds it take the REV to do the same and how long it takes to fire said rounds.  Then compare.

So unless your taking Armor out in one shot with the widow I highly doubt it will beat the REV in armor penetration. Does it kill mobs with just health bars faster? Yes I will say that the widow owns in that point.

Anyways before I look even more like troll are start argueing just to be loud I'm gonna go back to my game and let you calm down abit. I've said numerous times in this thread It is not my intent to ****** anyone off/come off preachy/ or lecture anyone. I firmly belive there is more than one way to play this game and play a soldier and play one right. I dont feel any one build/set up is THE best. If yours works for you then great man good for you. good luck and have fun.

[matt654321]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Im flat out lieing eh?

You're taking it completely out of context. The whole crux of that post was that GPR combines with the widow.

Two can play that game. Watch this:

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Im flat out lieing

Yes, you are.

And it definitely isn't "at least four times."

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Also I said their damage suffers not their defensive sapping. For example Miranda can overload/warp from the safety of cover. But he weapon damage is insignificant unless coupled with something else. And unless you give her orders, for the most part she just stands there in the open to die.

1.) That's not what you said.

2.) Even if it were, squadmate weapon damage is wholly irrelevant.

Also you need to factor in how many shots with the widow it takes to remove a full bar of ammo plus reload time between those shots and how much cover time you took between the shots as well.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Then once youve done that you need to factor how many rounds it take the REV to do the same and how long it takes to fire said rounds.  Then compare.

That's what DPS is. We all know.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
So unless your taking Armor out in one shot with the widow I highly doubt it will beat the REV in armor penetration.

Again, simple math shows that Widow is better than Revenant at taking out armor. It's sad that you're still trying to argue this. Desperation, maybe? Whatever the reason, it's still absolutely nonsensical.

For reference, 1 shot with the Widow will kill a harbinger with only armor left.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Does it kill mobs with just health bars faster? Yes I will say that the widow owns in that point.

Again, you don't use the widow against those easy to kill mobs. The GPR will kill them fast enough.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
Anyways before I look even more like troll are start argueing just to be loud I'm gonna go back to my game and let you calm down abit.

Again, I'm responding to you calmly point by point. But since you keep trying to instigate me by saying this, I'll be happy to oblige you.

Who do you think you are that you think it's fine for you to argue your point and not let others disagree with you? You're extremely narcissistic. Maybe instead of posting on the forums, you should talk to a mirror. You'd get the results that you're looking for far more easily that way.

Kaorunandrak wrote...
I've said numerous times in this thread It is not my intent to ****** anyone off/come off preachy/ or lecture anyone. I firmly belive there is more than one way to play this game and play a soldier and play one right. I dont feel any one build/set up is THE best. If yours works for you then great man good for you. good luck and have fun.

Yet the bulk of your posts are trying to convince people that the GPR does not work. You're contradicting yourself completely.

Modifié par matt654321, 12 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[Kaorunandrak]

Ok you tell me to quote you which I did (your entire post in all its context I might add) And you still call my a liar?

This is exactly why I said you were being defensive if you read from page 7 where you first posted till now you can see exactly what I'm talking about. You have thrown insults, ignored bulk parts of posts just to try to drive home your own setup being better. You have even ignored several posts that admitted your set up was good and fine just to continue this pointless arguement.And not once did I say your set up was inferior.

The bulk of my posts have been about why I wouldn't choose the widow over the REV. I have compared both the REV and the Viper against the WIDOW. I even said I use the GPR on Legion along with the Widow. I have spent more time talking about the widow/REV/Viper then the GPR.
I even posted after your OP saying that the GPR was a good gun but with Disrupter round I didn't see the need for it. And asked if you had tried another one of the AR's with your widow set up.

in response to you

"yeah but see then id have to give up my REV and there no way I'm gonna do that I'll just stick with mah Garrus/legion and Miranda/jack/samarra team for tearing up the enemies. I dont like the geth rifle for two reasons the low damage and the just plain look of it. Looks like I'm holding a roach caccoon."
　
"my problem the widow is the lack of rounds for it. The GPR is a good gun but if you have the Disrupter rounds it kinda seems like a waste to me. But if its working for you then thats a great set up. THough have you tried the Avenger or the Vindicator instead of the GPR with the disrupter rounds?"

inresponse to Turin4 that said the GPR was only good in your head

"Lol thats not nice if it works for him it works for him lol. But yeah we basicly have the same Build just I use Tungsten on my REV and disrupter on my sniper. I use my squad mostly to handle the shields/barriers.
Though like I have said before now that I'm working my 4th insane play through now I still have not run into any problems versus barriers with my REV and Tung ammo. Shields are only a semi issue and get cut down fast between team mates and Disrupter rounds.
Though I have started to make use of my heavy pistol more now on this play through for some of the more hectic mishes. If you load it with DIsrupter rounds and fire quickly when your pinned you can overload almost every single persons weapon and mow them down with your REV or line up a few head shots with sniper rifle.
Just another friendly tip of getting the most use out of my build and similiar builds for those who have sent me messages or are interested. Because of this though I have given up the hand cannon for the first pistol since it holds more rounds. Not using it for stopping power just for weapon overloading remember that."

inresponse to you and a few others

"Plus it looks like a silver cockroach egg. But i think any build weapon load out is good as long as it works. If its working for you then way to go bro.
And slam is fun yes but it rarely works on insane in the hands of a soldier shep. I've already said this like 5 times in this thread I belive lol.
And we have also already proven that AP ammo rips Inferno rounds a new ass hole in terms of damage potential as well. While still crediting it for its set organics on fire if theyre in the health bar stage.(but we also said by the time this happens AP ammo has killed said baddie so the need for panic is moot) Also have addressed its -regen bonus on Krogans and vorcha as moot since AP ammo Front loads all its damage it over powers their regen and they die very quickly.
And we have already said warp ammo is a good all around power but you can take team members who are warp/overload specialist or even jack who has warp ammo and have enough anti barrier that you can get Ap ammo and work on actually kill the mobs then playing with their deffenses.
And we also said for the most part deffenses are useless on insane.
But we have also already said that Hey if it works for you fuggin awesome!! I am really glad there are so many different builds and setups that people have. Keep them coming!"

in response to your mini war with crack seed

"Good job crackseed lol.
I'll also add one more thing that people seem to forget about disrupter ammo alot and that is weapon overloading. I talked about this in my last few posts and have said alot about it here as well. Investing in disrupter ammo allows you to overload everyones weapons even if they dont have shields. If their weapons are over loaded they cant fire and it takes them a good 5-6 seconds for them to figure out whats going on and eject their heat clip to continue fireing.
The REV + AP ammo and Viper + Disrupter ammo is the same set up I have been using since playthrough 2 on my soldier its a wicked setup that works very well. Due to the Vipers superior fire rate and clip size versus the other snipers you can easily strip shields/overload weapons from relative safety before you level the room. and with the sniper rifle upgrades + visor the viper becomes a very effective and dangerous sniper rifle in terms of head shot killing.
This setup also means your not going to be running out of ammo. My problem with taking the Widow on my shep is the fact at most I can only have 1(13) rounds on what is basicly my main weapon. That is something im not comfortable with in terms of the widow. And is why I get and use legion because he also gets the widow and he does some insane damage with it.

My problem with the GPR is just plain stoping power it doesnt have the punch I need. The REV however does and how ever fast you might be able to take some one out with the GPR I can do the same if not faster with my REV and still have rounds in my clip to take out at least 2-3 more people before I have to reload. Again the GPR is a good gun and when I get Legion that is the assualt rifle he uses.

If your set up works for you thats great its sounds like a solid set up with how you described it. But our set up works for us as well and is a solid set up as well. To each their own and no need to get deffensive/angry/frustrated/ETC. Its a game and this is a place to share our view points about said game."

"I'm sorry but yeah you are getting defensive.
Last I checked if you slot your class skill your adrenaline rush your concusive shot your loyalty power all up to 4 you still have enough to slot disrupter rounds to 4 plus slot a point into inferno. so your not wasteing any points into anything.
Also your not taking into consideration team set up you HAVE to bring 2 team members with you and most of them if not all of them have powers/weapon choices that can take out shields/barriers faster and with less chances of death then you can.
IF you want to talk about pure damage factor GPR+ Widow still falls short of REV+ Mantis or Viper. the GPR does not have anywhere near enough base damage to compare to the REV at all. both are full auto and you still can fire more rounds and kill more people with the REV then you can with the GPR. The widow while having high burst damage does not have enough ammo for it to compete DPS wise. Pairing it with the Vindicator or Avenger or the Collector rifle is highly viable and gives you more stoping power then the GPR.
The other thing to remember is you can designate different ammo load outs to different weapons such as placing AP ammo on your AR and Disrupter on your sniper allowing you to transition between the two damage types easily. and with out cooldown issue either."

in response to your statement regarding some one saying the gpr was only good in your head

"That was something niether my self nor crackseed said bro so your responding to the wrong people.
also my team set up DOES have the widow via legion. And he is a power house with it. and if you combine him with Miranda with overload/Warp or Jack with squad warp ammo he is a friggen beast with the gun and can easily provide cover fire for me while I tear people apart with the REV."

in response to you starting up with me

"Who said you have to invest it it more quickly? My first play through was normal and deffenses arent an issue there. Within the first hour of my second play through I was level 30 and slotting didnt matter anymore.
And from what you have wrote you are saying the GPR is the same as the REV which isn't true.
And as far as the widow is concerned I said those are my issue's with the gun. If a weapon is going to be my main gun i want something reliable that there won't be any chance of running out of ammunition in a fire fight so for me the Widow fails.
As far as the viper goes 2 shots in the head is usually the end of anyone with that gun. widow/ Mantis usually takes one shot but for me the viper is better because of the extra rounds. I can take out more people with less reload same as the REV.
and on insane few team members are good for anything more then just taking out deffenses. Legion is one of the only members I have seen that still does hideous amounts of damage that can be used as anything but defense sapping. Garrus is decent once you do his loyalty mission.a team of Garrus/overload/sniper and mirranda overload/warp/smg will take out shields before you even can fire if you use them right."

The rest are all right here on this page so im not going to bother copying them here. There are two posts maybe that compare the REV to the GPR. and there is no posts where i was rude to you at all. You might not think your being rude or deffensive but they way you have been wording/typing/quoting certain sections and ignoreing others makes it seem that way. And yes now I am getting deffensive as well.

All i have done is offered my opinion from the get go and not once have I tried to convince anyone else here that your GPR or your build/set up doesnt work. It would be stupid of me to try since the only thing that differs between our builds based on what you put in your OP is our weapon choice. You chose Widow-GPR and I chose REV-Viper.

And with a 3-4 second burst with my Rev I can kill a harbinger with Barrier plus his armor bar most of the time before he even lands back on the ground and starts attacking.
So now what are you gonna start saying that I've taken my own posts out of context too? Seriously dude Like Ive already said to you numerous times, if your build works frikken awesome good for you but so does mine.

Modifié par Kaorunandrak, 12 février 2010 - 11:45 .

[NeinoRanatos]

I used the incinidary grenade as a bonus power. Dunno why, its just so fun.

[Kaorunandrak]

lol its fun then it works. Have you tried double teaming it with Zaeed? I gets really dangerous then

[NeinoRanatos]

Yeah, its insane. Fire dmg always draws me in. I dunno why, must be that streak of pyromaniac in me.



If only the Cain let you see things be turned to ash instantly.

[matt654321]

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...

Ok you tell me to quote you which I did (your entire post in all its context I might add) And you still call my a liar? [/quote]

No, you bolded the part to make people read it out of context. What I was actually saying was that GPR is a better pick than the Revenant when you combine it with the Widow. It's what I've been saying this whole time. A brick wall would understand this more quickly than you.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
This is exactly why I said you were being defensive if you read from page 7 where you first posted till now you can see exactly what I'm talking about. You have thrown insults, ignored bulk parts of posts just to try to drive home your own setup being better. You have even ignored several posts that admitted your set up was good and fine just to continue this pointless arguement.[/quote]

Again, I've responded to you point by point, very calmly. As I said in my last post, I'll be defensive if you really want me to. It's a result of you constantly calling me defensive. You expect me to not defend myself? Now I'm showing you what getting defensive is really about. Get real, troll.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
And not once did I say your set up was inferior.[/quote]

You've constantly implied it. If you didn't think so, you wouldn't need to try to argue that GPR < Revenant.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
The bulk of my posts have been about why I wouldn't choose the widow over the REV.[/quote]

Don't care. Again, your narrow mind only allows you to do one comparison at a time. I'm saying that GPR + Widow > Revenant + Viper. The reason is something called synergy. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it happens when you combine two things and they become greater than the sum of their parts. You keep trying to break it down one comparison at a time, and regardless of how many times I try to tell you that doing so doesn't work, you fail to stop.

Maybe you simply can't handle more than one comparison at a time. Again, speculation, but either way you simply cannot understand the concept. You've demonstrated that repeatedly.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
I have compared both the REV and the Viper against the WIDOW.[/quote]

More reason why you FAIL. And your only point of contention was ammo, which I refuted. The only time where it matters is if you use the widow to kill random mooks, which you shouldn't be doing. The GPR kills those quickly enough.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
I even said I use the GPR on Legion along with the Widow. I have spent more time talking about the widow/REV/Viper then the GPR.[/quote]

You should be spending an equal time talking about the GPR and Widow. Again, you simply don't get it.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
I even posted after your OP saying that the GPR was a good gun but with Disrupter round I didn't see the need for it. And asked if you had tried another one of the AR's with your widow set up.[/quote]

Fail and more fail. I said put AP ammo on the GPR because you'll already tear through shields fast enough unless you're fighting a YMIR (in which case the Widow gives you a much bigger advantage anyway).

in response to you

"yeah but see then id have to give up my REV and there no way I'm gonna do that I'll just stick with mah Garrus/legion and Miranda/jack/samarra team for tearing up the enemies. I dont like the geth rifle for two reasons the low damage and the just plain look of it. Looks like I'm holding a roach caccoon."
　
"my problem the widow is the lack of rounds for it. The GPR is a good gun but if you have the Disrupter rounds it kinda seems like a waste to me. But if its working for you then thats a great set up. THough have you tried the Avenger or the Vindicator instead of the GPR with the disrupter rounds?"

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
"Plus it looks like a silver cockroach egg. But i think any build weapon load out is good as long as it works. If its working for you then way to go bro.[/quote]

Yep, you said that, then proceeded to attack the combo. Contradictory. Did you expect me to not defend my reasoning? Again, go back to talking to your mirror if you want that.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
But we have also already said that Hey if it works for you fuggin awesome!! I am really glad there are so many different builds and setups that people have. Keep them coming!"[/quote]

Again, then you proceeded to try to point out flaws in the setup. I defended them. You really don't get the concept of this whole discourse/forum thing, do you?

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
in response to your mini war with crack seed[/quote]

You think that people arguing different points is a mini-war? Where did you grow up, Candyland?

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
My problem with taking the Widow on my shep is the fact at most I can only have 1(13) rounds on what is basicly my main weapon. That is something im not comfortable with in terms of the widow. And is why I get and use legion because he also gets the widow and he does some insane damage with it.[/quote]

And here's where you're trying to poke holes in my argument. I'm not allowed to defend myself? You're certainly an odd one.

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
My problem with the GPR is just plain stoping power it doesnt have the punch I need. The REV however does and how ever fast you might be able to take some one out with the GPR I can do the same if not faster with my REV and still have rounds in my clip to take out at least 2-3 more people before I have to reload. Again the GPR is a good gun and when I get Legion that is the assualt rifle he uses.
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If your set up works for you thats great its sounds like a solid set up with how you described it. But our set up works for us as well and is a solid set up as well. To each their own and no need to get deffensive/angry/frustrated/ETC. Its a game and this is a place to share our view points about said game."[/quote]

Here's where you attack my setup and still say 'whatever man do what you want' in the same post. That doesn't work. You can't honestly except someone to stay silent when you say that their setup is flawed compared to yours (on a horrible basis nonetheless).

[quote]Kaorunandrak wrote...
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Yeah, you quoting the whole thread doesn't get your point across. I know what your arguments were, and I know that you tried to get me to not point out the flaws in your logic by saying 'do what you want.' I do believe that my setup is superior to yours, and yes, I will defend my position. If me not automatically agreeing with you rocks your boat too hard, that's too friggin bad.

[matt654321]

forums are screwy sometimes - dp

Modifié par matt654321, 13 février 2010 - 12:12 .

[Crackseed]

Yeah, that's why I still have a sweet spot for Icendiary ammo too. It might not be the best, but gosh it's so fun setting people on fire xD I like the grenade too - though I killed myself with it on Horizon once. God that was funny. Scion around the corner, freaked and tossed it RIGHT into the crate in front of my face and watched myself burn up hahaha.

[matt654321]

dp

Modifié par matt654321, 13 février 2010 - 12:13 .

[Kaorunandrak]

zaeed+ flame grenade+ shep+flamethrow+flame grednade+Moridon+incinerate+group inferno rounds= WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

[Crackseed]

You know, I did the Husk N7 mission and took the Flamethrower. I REALLY like that heavy weapon now xD

[blank1]

This thread is way too serious lol

[matt654321]

crackseed wrote...

Yeah, that's why I still have a sweet spot for Icendiary ammo too. It might not be the best, but gosh it's so fun setting people on fire xD

The people in the Vanguard thread have been debating using it over AP ammo. Apparently it does instantaneous damage on armor and only does 10% less damage. That might be a worthwhile trade for the ability to panic people with only health remaining.

crackseed wrote...
I like the grenade too - though I killed myself with it on Horizon once. God that was funny. Scion around the corner, freaked and tossed it RIGHT into the crate in front of my face and watched myself burn up hahaha.

I don't think that I'd take it as my bonus ability, but I do think that it's better than people give it credit for. Low cooldown and has a nice AoE. It's really awesome against husks - generally kills their armor leaving a swathe of them open for some AoE biotic and causes them to panic. If it hits them in the right spot it seems like it sometimes autokills them.

[Tryst]

Matt, what math do you have to show that GPR/Widow is better than Rev/Viper?

[matt654321]

blank1 wrote...

This thread is way too serious lol

That's what happens when people say "please posts builds," then respond by saying "your build isn't very good here's why but you can use it anyway and please don't actually support yourself with logic cuz that makes us break."

[NeinoRanatos]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

zaeed+ flame grenade+ shep+flamethrow+flame grednade+Moridon+incinerate+group inferno rounds= WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

+Cain=

[matt654321]

Trystz wrote...

Matt, what math do you have to show that GPR/Widow is better than Rev/Viper?

This game can't be solved with a mathematical proof, but I've shown the numbers behind the crux of my argument already.

Widow does 300+ damage and has a 1.5 multiplier against armor. GPR does less damage than Revenant but has a 1.35 multiplier against shields and barriers. Against any type of defense, you'll at least have a 1.35 multiplier.

Viper has a 1.35 multiplier against armor. That's redundant because the Revenant has a 1.4 multiplier against armor. The Viper has a 1.15 multiplier against barriers and shields, which is again reduntant because the Revenant has a 1.2 multiplier against them.


So if you pit the first build against any defense, you get:
vs. armor: 1.5
vs. shields: 1.35
vs. barriers: 1.35

The second combo has these multipliers against each defense type:
vs. armor: 1.4
vs. shields: 1.2
vs. barriers: 1.2

As you can see, the first combo wins in every case.

The argument has been made that you can just put disruptor ammo on the Viper and AP ammo on the Revenant and have it come out on top. Guess what? You can do that with the first setup too - put AP ammo on the Widow and Disruptor Ammo on the Viper. In fact, doing so favors the first setup even more. Here's what happens when you do that:

Setup 1:
vs. armor: 2.2
vs. shields: 1.95
vs. barrier: 1.35

Setup 2:
vs. armor: 2.1
vs. shields: 1.75
vs. barrier: 1.2

As you can see, the disparity only increases by doing this.


The only remaining argument is about the Widow's ammo capacity. As I've already said, the GPR kills normal baddies quickly enough, so you'd use the GPR for them. However, the Widow kills the harder baddies much, much faster. Your overall killing speed is still faster and you don't have an ammo problem.

[Kaorunandrak]

matt654321 wrote...

blank1 wrote...

This thread is way too serious lol

That's what happens when people say "please posts builds," then respond by saying "your build isn't very good here's why but you can use it anyway and please don't actually support yourself with logic cuz that makes us break."

all you've done for the last two pages is try to argue with people who weren't agrueing with you to begin with and construe people posts to fit what you obviously want to hear. Just cause blank1 hurt your feeling with his GPR is only good in your head speech.
I have already proved this through out everything I have said to you and you have proved it as well with every single post you have made. No one save one person has tried demeaning you and your build. And you just can't seem to get that or even let this whole thing go so people can move on with other questions/comments or opinions.

All i've seen from your posts is a constant need for attention and the need to be right. If it will get you to shut your ignorant, indignant, and self righteous mouth up then here.
MATT654321 IS THE BESTEST MOST AWESOMENESS SOLDIER AND PLAIN MASS EFFECT 2 PLAYER IN THE WORLD ANYONE WHO HAS THEIR OWN OPINION OR OWN STYLE OF PLAY  OR EVEN THEIR OWN BRAIN IN THEIR HEAD IS STINKY DOO DOO HEADS THAT SPOUT STUPID.

Now can we move on? Or are we gonna have to resort to Yo mamma jokes?