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[joejoe099]

bioware has made me think over what the main goal of the reapers many times over. of course they wouldnt randomly just destroy all life in the galaxy, so what are they trying to do in the long run? And is it as easy to kill a reaper with ships as it was in ME1? *spoiler!* and why the HUMAN reaper at end of ME2? I think i might've understand thier motaves and ways a little, looking over all the info.

Legion in ME2 describes soverign as "one ship, one goal, many minds" or somthing along thouse lines. And the codex page at end of ME2 says they might absorb the memories of thouse liquifed into paste to make it, does that mean thier goal is a collective intellegnce and total unifaction? But i still have one question, were the squid shaped reapers once ANTHOUR speices that freely combined them selves into the cyborg like creations they are today?

In the end of ME1, it looks like Joker drove a round right through Soverign like a knife to butter, but i dont think it was that easy. Soverign was kicking ass with its lasers, and destryoing ever ship in sight, also its shields were nearly absorbing ever shot easy, AND controling saren's dead body at the same time. When you kill the Saren again, wich looked like full controll *rember collectors?* from soverign, it randomly detaches from the tower and starts falling limp. I think if you killed soverign there, and joker didnt. Thats why harbinger controls the collecter general, like a conduit, to other collecters, and releashes control RIGHT BEFORE the explosion kills the general.

Is the main skeliton like structure of a reaper organic? or is it all sololy metal? I dont know, but this is what i've pieced togther about these gaint machines. hope you enjoyed reading

[RobRam10]

Sovereign was more focused on Shepard than the Alliance Fleet. When Saren dies much of Sovereigns power goes down(shields and such).

Well from what I understand is that Reapers may choose a race worthy to make new reapers in the case humans, as it was a human who foiled there plans and destroy one of their kind.

That's why the Collectors/Reapers where building a Human-Reaper and as for the General Harbinger was only controlling it by a hologram not as in person like Sovereign as it was being attack by both Shepard and the Alliance Fleet.

[joejoe099]

RobRam10 wrote...

Sovereign was more focused on Shepard than the Alliance Fleet. When Saren dies much of Sovereigns power goes down(shields and such).
Well from what I understand is that Reapers may choose a race worthy to make new reapers in the case humans, as it was a human who foiled there plans and destroy one of their kind.
That's why the Collectors/Reapers where building a Human-Reaper and as for the General Harbinger was only controlling it by a hologram not as in person like Sovereign as it was being attack by both Shepard and the Alliance Fleet.

but why didnt they make one for protheans then, or are the protheans better as slaves other then as reapers? and yes, sovereign did focus on shepard more becasue he was about to shut down the whoule mass relay part of the citadel, therefore, making the fight in space nothing in compraison for wining. and saren says "i AM soverign" making me think that soverign put its full body or mind into it.

but i do have to agree with you for human reaper concept, that a human was strong enough to kill it DOES make the species strong, perhapes the protheans didnt even kill one? but the "inperson" point dosnt make a difference, the reapers are super high tech, being able to find a safe zone in the center of the galxy, in the middle of black holes, and exploding stars. it wouldnt make a difference if it was 2 feet to outside the galaxy limits.

[RobRam10]

They didn't explain why the Reapers didn't built a Prothean-Reaper or perhaps I haven't been paying attention hehe. Well the Protheans couldn't have killed a Reaper since there communication was destroyed in the Reaper invasion and lost billions in the process. If you did a N7 mission the Protheans were aware that the Reapers were creating the Collectors.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think it is about "survival of the fittest" and the reapers are taking it to the extreme and use technology to enforce it. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all sentient life and watch which race has the greatest opposition. The traits of that race will be included in their own species. The protheans were the previous race they favored, humans will be the next.

That also gives meaning to things like "the destruction of your race will be your salvatiopn".  It's all a matter on which side you are on of course. My Shepard is not fond of that kind of salvation.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[Giantevilhead]

I think Bioware totally caved to the fans on what the Reapers want. The Reapers are supposed to be based on the Old Ones in Cthulhu mythos. They're supposed to have goals that are too alien to be understood by humans. However, it seems that the fans are unwilling to accept that so Bioware changed the story and gave the Reapers a purpose that we can comprehend.

[joejoe099]

RobRam10 wrote...

They didn't explain why the Reapers didn't built a Prothean-Reaper or perhaps I haven't been paying attention hehe. Well the Protheans couldn't have killed a Reaper since there communication was destroyed in the Reaper invasion and lost billions in the process. If you did a N7 mission the Protheans were aware that the Reapers were creating the Collectors.

you mean one where you find the prothean artifact and it gives you flashes like in first one, but this time it clearly shows wat looks like a collecter, even though prothean vision?

And I think EDI said somewhere in it that the protheans werent genticaly able to become reapers, maybe humans got somthing in DNA different, providing induvidualty......the other species find humans interesting becasue of the random reactions of humans, Samara even said "there could be 3 humans in a room, with 6 different opions" the aliens sorta fear humans for unpredicabilty. The other species have same mind, perhapes the trait of different thinking for ever human is what makes humans able to be reapers? I realized that when typing it lol

[Keltoris]

RobRam10 wrote...

They didn't explain why the Reapers didn't built a Prothean-Reaper or perhaps I haven't been paying attention hehe. Well the Protheans couldn't have killed a Reaper since there communication was destroyed in the Reaper invasion and lost billions in the process. If you did a N7 mission the Protheans were aware that the Reapers were creating the Collectors.

Prothean DNA wasn't viable reaper material.

[MassEffect762]

I wish they could go back in some flashback and actually show how the reapers started their whole power trip. Show me their roots, their origins, how it all began.



That is what is needed BADLY of this franchise.

[joejoe099]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I think it is about "survival of the fittest" and the reapers are taking it to the extreme and use technology to enforce it. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all sentient life and watch which race has the greatest opposition. The traits of that race will be included in their own species. The protheans were the previous race they favored, humans will be the next.

they said that the proteans were the only sentieant speices of that time, meaning nothing other then protheans were flying around in space craft, all started from same planet, and perhapes final pop. was about 10-trillion somthing.

[joejoe099]

Giantevilhead wrote...

I think Bioware totally caved to the fans on what the Reapers want. The Reapers are supposed to be based on the Old Ones in Cthulhu mythos. They're supposed to have goals that are too alien to be understood by humans. However, it seems that the fans are unwilling to accept that so Bioware changed the story and gave the Reapers a purpose that we can comprehend.

i did read somewhere they are semi-based on the old ones. at least with aperance.

[AngryFrozenWater]

joejoe099 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I think it is about "survival of the fittest" and the reapers are taking it to the extreme and use technology to enforce it. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all sentient life and watch which race has the greatest opposition. The traits of that race will be included in their own species. The protheans were the previous race they favored, humans will be the next.

they said that the proteans were the only sentieant speices of that time, meaning nothing other then protheans were flying around in space craft, all started from same planet, and perhapes final pop. was about 10-trillion somthing.

Fit enough I would say.

[JaegerBane]

Giantevilhead wrote...

I think Bioware totally caved to the fans on what the Reapers want. The Reapers are supposed to be based on the Old Ones in Cthulhu mythos. They're supposed to have goals that are too alien to be understood by humans. However, it seems that the fans are unwilling to accept that so Bioware changed the story and gave the Reapers a purpose that we can comprehend.

It's good that you know more than the writers do about what the reapers are supposed to be. <_<

Ultimately, there are similarities to the old ones, but frankly there are similarities to the Bezerkers and the Inhibitors too.

[joejoe099]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I think it is about "survival of the fittest" and the reapers are taking it to the extreme and use technology to enforce it. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all sentient life and watch which race has the greatest opposition. The traits of that race will be included in their own species. The protheans were the previous race they favored, humans will be the next.

they said that the proteans were the only sentieant speices of that time, meaning nothing other then protheans were flying around in space craft, all started from same planet, and perhapes final pop. was about 10-trillion somthing.

Fit enough I would say.

wait, if survivel of the fittest, why purposely leave mass relays and all the information so new organics could base thier tech on it, if it was survival, theyd would make all life make thier own, not depend on them

[AngryFrozenWater]

joejoe099 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I think it is about "survival of the fittest" and the reapers are taking it to the extreme and use technology to enforce it. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all sentient life and watch which race has the greatest opposition. The traits of that race will be included in their own species. The protheans were the previous race they favored, humans will be the next.

they said that the proteans were the only sentieant speices of that time, meaning nothing other then protheans were flying around in space craft, all started from same planet, and perhapes final pop. was about 10-trillion somthing.

Fit enough I would say.

wait, if survivel of the fittest, why purposely leave mass relays and all the information so new organics could base thier tech on it, if it was survival, theyd would make all life make thier own, not depend on them

The reapers force the sentient races to a certain level of civilization by introducing technology and space flight to them. That way they can compare them to earlier civilizations of the same level. They wipe them out and compare them with almost scientitific accuracy.

Edit: The reapers don't harvest resources or slave labor. They harvest the best traits in a species. That could be an interesting plot device, BTW.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 février 2010 - 03:27 .

[Giantevilhead]

JaegerBane wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

I think Bioware totally caved to the fans on what the Reapers want. The Reapers are supposed to be based on the Old Ones in Cthulhu mythos. They're supposed to have goals that are too alien to be understood by humans. However, it seems that the fans are unwilling to accept that so Bioware changed the story and gave the Reapers a purpose that we can comprehend.

It's good that you know more than the writers do about what the reapers are supposed to be. <_<

Ultimately, there are similarities to the old ones, but frankly there are similarities to the Bezerkers and the Inhibitors too.

Where did I say that I knew more than the writers? I simply speculated that the writers changed the story based on fan reaction. That's pretty common thing.

As for the Reapers and the Old ones, they aren't just similar to the Old Ones, they practically are the
Old Ones. Sovereign specifically said that the Reapers are far beyond the comprehension of humans. The Reapers infiltrate the dreams of their victims and drive them crazy just like the Old Ones. There's the whole dead gods still dream with the derelict Reaper. Also, the Inhibitors are based partly on the Old Ones too. The whole genre of cosmic horror was created by Lovecraft. Any story that involves humans being insignificant bugs in an universe of massive incomprehensible creatures with unimaginable aims is based in part on Lovecraft's stories.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 06 février 2010 - 03:30 .

[dmcguk]

I would like to know why they wanted ***spoiler*** to make a human reaper it's not exactly the best shape of a spaceship considering it's aerodynamics

[AngryFrozenWater]

Giantevilhead wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

I think Bioware totally caved to the fans on what the Reapers want. The Reapers are supposed to be based on the Old Ones in Cthulhu mythos. They're supposed to have goals that are too alien to be understood by humans. However, it seems that the fans are unwilling to accept that so Bioware changed the story and gave the Reapers a purpose that we can comprehend.

It's good that you know more than the writers do about what the reapers are supposed to be. <_<

Ultimately, there are similarities to the old ones, but frankly there are similarities to the Bezerkers and the Inhibitors too.

Where did I say that I knew more than the writers? I simply speculated that the writers changed the story based on fan reaction. That's pretty common thing.

As for the Reapers and the Old ones, they aren't just similar to the Old Ones, they practically are the
Old Ones. Sovereign specifically said that the Reapers are far beyond the comprehension of humans. The Reapers infiltrate the dreams of their victims and drive them crazy just like the Old Ones. There's the whole dead gods still dream with the derelict Reaper. Also, the Inhibitors are based partly on the Old Ones too. The whole genre of cosmic horror was created by Lovecraft. Any story that involves humans being insignificant bugs in an universe of massive incomprehensible creatures with unimaginable aims is based in part on Lovecraft's stories.

Some are based on Arthur C. Clarke's 3 laws of predicion:

• When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is
  possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something
  is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
• The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
• Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

dmcguk wrote...

I would like to know why they wanted ***spoiler*** to make a human reaper it's not exactly the best shape of a spaceship considering it's aerodynamics

Don't worry about that. There is no air in space.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

If I'm following the story properly, the Reapers will "assimmilate" whoever is the strongest in that particular galaxy, nuff said, moving on.

[DarchAngelDavid]

I think the reapers are a race of beings that reached a point in evolution which allowed them to surpass being physical. They wanted to keep growing in power and knowledge but never be surpassed by any other race. In order to do this they control the evolutionary progress of intelegent life in cycles and comes to stop them before they can evolve into something that would challenge them. They harvest what they need and destroy the rest. Maybe what they take from them helps to keep them alive until the next cycle is ready. This allows them to always remain the most powerful. Humans have always been a species said to have unlimited growth potential unlike other races. The reapers never expected their plans to be stopped but since humans were able to do it and have that trait maybe they wanted it for themselves so they could continue to evolve past where they are now. It would help explain the new human form they were working on. I think this is their way and I also think the ship forms that they have may just be another race they usurped and is using. It is all speculation though.

[BloodRaith]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

dmcguk wrote...

I would like to know why they wanted ***spoiler*** to make a human reaper it's not exactly the best shape of a spaceship considering it's aerodynamics

Don't worry about that. There is no air in space.

Beat me to it thank you, I hate being an info ****, but jeez