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[Kazilan]

I just tried Garrus and Zaeed as squadmates in a side mission against a pack of Blue Suns and we shredded them apart easily. I had brought a biotic squadmate with me on every mission before to chain powers but I'm realizing now that I'm better off with a variety to complement my powers. Garrus and Zaeed pack enough punch to tear away enemy protection while I monitor the battlefield and execute crowd control from a distance.

[Akinra]

Confucius08 wrote...

Kazilan wrote...

I'm playing an adept on hardcore after infiltrator on normal and it is difficult, but fun. I find myself retreating a lot - especially from YMIR mechs, but warp+smg/pistol to peel off shields/armor and then throw to keep enemies away is working (except against YMIR mechs). After reading these posts I'll have to try singularity more. Anyone use shockwave? I haven't even put a point into it, I maxed throw first.

I tried messing around with shockwave instead of throw for a bit the cooldown got annoying after a while but shockwave was still cool when multiple enemies had their defenses down

On veteran and below, shockwave is very useful. On insanity (and hardcore to an extent) it's pretty much useless. On insanity with an adept I don't put a single point into shockwave and put the points into a  bonus power instead (Warp Ammo). It has a  6 second cool down and only briefly staggers enemies with protection. Singularity has a similar cooldown but will hold (multiple) enemies with protection in place for it's duration.

As for the adept requiring better use of squadmates than other classes, that's why I like adept. It's more tactical than other classes and has weaknesses that you have to find a way around.

[sniperwolf08]

My first insanity run was with an adept and it was a blast! Being able to lock down powerful enemies like Harbinger was nice. I am having a much harder time with my soldier on insanity that I was with my adept. Plus it was fun to boot!

[Darqion]

I`ll get a respec and get warp maxed first. I find that i cant spam that much anyway since popping up to much will kill me/ thx for the replys so far

[tonnactus]

mundus66 wrote...

I found adept easy, i only play on insanity. And while there is certainly easier classes i found the adept very good, you just need energy drain since most mobs have shields. And yes you have to rely on your squad, i use Jacob, Samara or Jack to setup those biotic combos.

Energy drain isnt needed anymore.The arc projector take out the shields of multiple enemies.Enemies in singularity loose shields too.

But adept was more fun in Mass Effect, no doubt. It is a great feeling to lift a geth colossus.
The "protection system" we have now is complete and utter nonsense. Skarr threw an armored tank.

Modifié par tonnactus, 09 avril 2010 - 07:59 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

tonnactus wrote...

mundus66 wrote...

I found adept easy, i only play on insanity. And while there is certainly easier classes i found the adept very good, you just need energy drain since most mobs have shields. And yes you have to rely on your squad, i use Jacob, Samara or Jack to setup those biotic combos.

Energy drain isnt needed anymore.The arc projector take out the shields of multiple enemies.Enemies in singularity loose shields too.

But adept was more fun in Mass Effect, no doubt. It is a great feeling to lift a geth colossus.
The "protection system" we have now is complete and utter nonsense. Skarr threw an armored tank.

Skarr? and to be honest, I use biotics on an fairly basis, but even so, much like tech powers, they are an supportive power, not your main power. There is an reason why you have guns.

[tonnactus]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...


Skarr?

Mass Effect Book 1.A krogan battlemaster.

and to be honest, I use biotics on an fairly basis, but even so, much like tech powers, they are an supportive power, not your main power. There is an reason why you have guns.

Im ok with it.The adept in Mass Effect couldnt kill with his powers.(exception:Zero-Gravity or high platforms)

But he actually use more of his powers frequently then now,on all difficulties.

Modifié par tonnactus, 09 avril 2010 - 08:31 .

[FoFoZem]

I find the best way to spice up Adept gameplay is to take Heavy Warp Ammo and the Assault rifle training. If you roll this:



Heavy Warp - 4

Throw - 1

Heavy Singularity - 4

Pull Field - 4

Shockwave - 0

Nemesis - 4

Heavy Warp Ammo - 4



Then I guarantee you will have a good time. Playing the Adept aggressively, I find, is more effective on insanity than a conventional Adept build.

[tonnactus]

I would ignore Warp when i have warp ammo.

[FoFoZem]

And ignore warp detonations? Not likely and not smart. With the right upgrades and equipment, wap explosions can do circa 800 damage. The abilities aren't mutually exclusive. It's like saying if you have Squad Incendiary Ammo then you don't need Incinerate.



The two work very well together. And you damage output after Samara's mission is nigh ridiculous.

[tonnactus]

FoFoZem wrote...

And ignore warp detonations? Not likely and not smart. With the right upgrades and equipment, wap explosions can do circa 800 damage.

Source???Warp did a damage of 200 points.(heavy warp)
Biotic upgrades improves that to 320.Double it would be 640,not 800.
Warp ammo also did double damage to enemies affected by biotics.

[Hulk Hsieh]

The new heavy weapon Arc Projector + Adept is a lot of fun.
It removes defense and stuns enemies for a while, so biotic powers and totally tear them apart.

Modifié par Hulk Hsieh, 10 avril 2010 - 07:24 .

[Bhaal]

tonnactus wrote...
Source???Warp did a damage of 200 points.(heavy warp)
Biotic upgrades improves that to 320.Double it would be 640,not 800.
Warp ammo also did double damage to enemies affected by biotics.

Blood dragon armor and Nemesis=760. Every biotic has another %50 dmg bonus againts bariers so maximum 860(perhaps 910?). I maybe wrong though...

Adept is strong even without team-mates. Just accept that adept must use weapons too.

Modifié par Adakutay, 10 avril 2010 - 08:52 .

[Akinra]

FoFoZem wrote...

I find the best way to spice up Adept gameplay is to take Heavy Warp Ammo and the Assault rifle training. If you roll this:

Heavy Warp - 4
Throw - 1
Heavy Singularity - 4
Pull Field - 4
Shockwave - 0
Nemesis - 4
Heavy Warp Ammo - 4

Then I guarantee you will have a good time. Playing the Adept aggressively, I find, is more effective on insanity than a conventional Adept build.

This is very similar to my build. Except I have wide singularity, and have heavy throw with just the one point in pull. And I would agree that you have play aggressively. When you use the right strategies for the right enemies you can drop groups of enemies very quickly and efficently. Not as quick as a vanguard but then you won't die as much either.

And warp ammo definately does not mean warp is useless. Setting up warp explosions in the right places is an integral part of an adept's strategy regardless of what your bonus power is. And even with warp ammo you'll still be mainly using your powers rather than the assault rile (if you take it).  

[FoFoZem]

tonnactus wrote...

FoFoZem wrote...

And ignore warp detonations? Not likely and not smart. With the right upgrades and equipment, wap explosions can do circa 800 damage.

Source???Warp did a damage of 200 points.(heavy warp)
Biotic upgrades improves that to 320.Double it would be 640,not 800.
Warp ammo also did double damage to enemies affected by biotics.

Nemisis + 6/6 Biotic Damage Upgrades + Blood Dragon Armor = 90% Biotic Damage Increase. That brings it to 380 damage. Warp Explosions do double damage so that's 760. Nearly 800. Devastating.

[Gunnman185]

I am running an Adept on Insanity and find it just like ME1. Hard to start but after a while, I can control any fight. I agree the merging of cool down times makes it a bit harder. You can't keep hitting enemies with a different power, but it is understandable; if we say the implants are what has to cool down.

[MartinYCS]

The Adept isn't fun? That's entirely not true. It gets even more exciting above Veteran when everyone has protection.
It makes you have to work at blowing things up with Biotic combos. If you don't like the style and expect to shoot your way out of trouble, go play a Soldier with Reave.
It's glorious when you finally whittle down a Geth Prime's shields, Double Warp with Miranda, then blow him into orbit with a Singularity explosion.
I wasn't fast enough with the Vanguard on Hardcore and was too cautious to charge every now and then, and ended up playing through like a gimped Adept.
Soldiers, Infiltrators and Sentinels can deal with every situation, but for the others you really need to map your squad's powers. Try harder at the Adept - Pulling someone then Throwing him into a wall is just ridiculously entertaining. 'Specially if it's an annoying Krogan.

[Pacifien]

I thought playing as an Adept in ME1 was incredibly easy and possibly the most overpowered class of the game even taking Immunity into account for some of the other classes. However, it becomes one of the most difficult classes to play in ME2 once you're playing Hardcore/Insanity difficulty. This does not translate into being a worse class than others, just one with a greater learning curve. Considering how easy it was in the first game, the sudden increase in that learning curve is hard for some to accept.

[klossen4]

soldier is way more easy then adept maybe just me.

[ArmeniusLOD]

crumbsucker wrote...

Love the ME2 adept.Just completed an insanity run with one.I think the biotics are more fun this time around.Being able to curve powers gave me a better feeling of control over the biotics and makes pulling off combos a breeze.I do miss some of the old casting animations(singularity and lift) though.The new warp ammo power seems made for the adept and just increases their effectiveness in combat.I'd have to say I felt more powerful biotic-wise in ME2 than in ME1, but I think I'm probably in the minority on this one.

I'm with you on this.  Adept was a little hard to get into early in the game, but it really started to come into its own around level 10.  It's especially fun to combo biotics with unstable warp and pwn everyone within 22 feet of impact.  I am speaking of playing on Insanity, too.  Bring along Garrus with area overload and Mordin or Zaeed with incineration blast and inferno grenade, and you're ready to take on anything.  Singularity by itself is pretty close to making Adepts overpowered.

Of course in ME it was singularity and carnage nonstop.  The combat turned into skeet shooting.  In ME2 it is much more rewarding when playing as an adept.

[pprrff]

For me at least, Adept is really fun for Veteren or below. I rarely bother with my wep. For Insanity tho, you end up using warp ALOT, kinda takes away the variety in the other powers. I agree that Adept is alot more fun in ME1. I'd rather have long cool down than to have most of my powers useless becuase or enemy shield.

[Pacifien]

Nah, on Insanity I ended up using Singularity all the time, not Warp. But I do dislike how some Adept powers are more easily available on Veteran difficulty and below while not being much use at all on Hardcore/Insanity until the defenses are down. Getting defenses down is the whole point of Hardcore/Insanity - once the enemy is down to just Health, the rest is child's play.

Would have been good if a power like Shockwave could do some damage against defenses, only at a greatly reduced state than if it was used against Health. Like when used against Health, the enemies get tossed aside like a bowling ball. With Armor, the enemies stumble (longer than they do now) and Armor takes at least a small hit. Pull, Slam, and Throw put an enemy off their balance maybe.

I think Singularity, Warp, and Reave work rather well on Hardcore/Insanity, though.

[NuclearBananas]

My 3rd playthrough was with an adept on Hardcore/Insanity, and using ThatAverageGatsby's adept guide, I had a ton of fun with it. I tried to start an Infiltrator after that, but nothing just seemed as fun as my adept. For you the adept may seem boring, but with the right squad and build, it's a lot of fun.

[jlb524]

Shockwave can still be useful on Insanity, to knock a shielded enemy back and out of cover, for example. I don't use this much, as I prefer deploying other powers that are more useful.