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[Nautica773]

BattleVisor wrote...
Hmm well the OP was the one who said, they found character too nice and boring, my post was trying to address the OP.

And yeh it wasnt my intention to generalise what women find attractive, but generalisations exist everywhere, we cannot escape them. My comments would be the same as saying men find women with wide hips and perky breasts attractive.

True, generalizations do exist everywhere. Doesn't make them right or accurate. 

I think part of the problem with trying to make Mass Effect characters interesting is the limited interaction you have with them. Aside from their recruitment mission, their loyalty mission and a handful of brief conversations on the Normandy, you really don't get much characterization from them.

It's hard to not see them as almost mindless drones considering they don't often comment on your decisions and they'll accept everything you do even if it contradicts their personal opinions. 

[Kolaris8472]

The real problem for me is that you get even less if you're trying to be friends non-romantically with a potential love interest. Instead of 5 or 4 conversations, you only get 3. Hell, 85% of Tali/Female Shephard's dialog fit in a 10 minute compilation video, and it was 50% stuff that went on off the the Normandy.

[Naltair]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

The real problem for me is that you get even less if you're trying to be friends non-romantically with a potential love interest. Instead of 5 or 4 conversations, you only get 3. Hell, 85% of Tali/Female Shephard's dialog fit in a 10 minute compilation video, and it was 50% stuff that went on off the the Normandy.

I agree with this, there are too little conversations.

[JamieCOTC]

I could be wrong, but I don't think the romances in ME2 were meant to last. Thane, the most interesting male character in the game, is going to die. Tali's first duty is to the flotilla. Garrus is more like a best friend. Jacob and Miranda both seem too distant. Jack is too ****ed up and Samara has her code. (I actually find Jack to be the most interesting romance in the game, as you have to work at it). Again, I could be wrong and there is a lot of love for some of these characters, but I feel they are more distractions or tests to see who will stay loyal.

[Archereon]

Taranatar9 wrote...

Male Shep gets an generic wanabe hottie, Britney Spears, and a faceless character.  Not great choices either.

fix't

[AngryTigerP]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I could be wrong, but I don't think the romances in ME2 were meant to last. Thane, the most interesting male character in the game, is going to die. Tali's first duty is to the flotilla.

Oh, you mean Tali, who's been exiled from the Flotilla and is now a part of the Normandy's crew?

[Lord Atlia]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I could be wrong, but I don't think the romances in ME2 were meant to last. Thane, the most interesting male character in the game, is going to die. Tali's first duty is to the flotilla. Garrus is more like a best friend. Jacob and Miranda both seem too distant. Jack is too ****ed up and Samara has her code. (I actually find Jack to be the most interesting romance in the game, as you have to work at it). Again, I could be wrong and there is a lot of love for some of these characters, but I feel they are more distractions or tests to see who will stay loyal.

Tali's first duty is to the Normandy, hence the "vas Normandy." And to the above unquoted posters, yes the conversations were too short, ME3 needs to be closer to DA:O and they need to put in a friendship option for same sex characters. 

[Nautica773]

Lord Atlia wrote...
Tali's first duty is to the Normandy, hence the "vas Normandy." And to the above unquoted posters, yes the conversations were too short, ME3 needs to be closer to DA:O and they need to put in a friendship option for same sex characters. 

They need friendship options for both sexes.

[Lord Atlia]

Nautica773 wrote...

Lord Atlia wrote...
Tali's first duty is to the Normandy, hence the "vas Normandy." And to the above unquoted posters, yes the conversations were too short, ME3 needs to be closer to DA:O and they need to put in a friendship option for same sex characters. 

They need friendship options for both sexes.

this is true

[tmp7704]

Funny thing about complaint Jacob is "too boring to romance" ... he's basically mirror image of Shepard -- physically attractive, tough, skilled in combat no-nonsense guy who gets the job done and that's all there is to him. If being 'just' that makes the guy "too boring to romance" why do people feel their Shepard should get any romance himself/herself? They're just like Jacob, and that's apparently too boring to pique anyone's interest

Modifié par tmp7704, 06 février 2010 - 06:48 .

[Naltair]

ninjakittie wrote...

Playing a female Shepard is terrible in ME2, the love interest choice are terrible. Jacob is boring and too nice, Garrus has a half blown up face and too much of a friend, and Thane is awesome and cool but I'll pass on mating with a half fish, half lizard. Looks like hell raiser. Why couldnt I get Jack, Miranda, or Tali. I really wanted Tali. Come on Bioware seriously, with what you made possible in Dragon Age you are going to run away and be forced to be traditional and boring. For shame. 

The problem with this thread is that you have a misleading title, this has nothing to really do with the female romance choices just that you wanted a choice not available to your gender choice.  This is a bait and switch methodology here, and although I know the OP left this thread long ago I think many people fail to see that the OP does not care one wit about the actual choices just that the choice they preferred was not available.

Let me put it this way if I go to a baker and tell him every cake flavor he has is bad and he asks me what cake flavor I would like and I say an apple pie, does that make sense?  That is essentially what the OP did.  Couch their "concern" in a  way that seems genuine but really is not.

I would have more respect if they just said, my female Shepard wanted to romance Tali but I could not this made me upset instead of making it seem like female Shepard was actually lacking in choices.  In fact the male Shepard has had no chances for any same sex relation ships and yet people just go on and on about how woe is me, I can't romance blank female character.

I still think many of the same sex, female + female postings are from men that just don't want to romance a man as a woman and then try and argue equality when it has nothing to do with it.  Just my gut feeling.  I am not saying the female choices are any better or worse than the male choices but they are comparable if you like heterosexual choices.

If you don't well then, Mass Effect is going to be a lonely journey for you unless you are a woman and like Liara or I suppose Kelly.

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 07:03 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Because Shepard's dashing in, saves the galaxy... can't blame a girl for trying.

[TheShady]

Naltair wrote...

Let me put it this way if I go to a baker and tell him every cake flavor he has is bad and he asks me what cake flavor I would like and I say an apple pie, does that make sense?

Yes, it does. He might make you an apple pie. He's a baker after all.

[BattleVisor]

tmp7704 wrote...
" why do people feel their Shepard should get any romance himself/herself? They're just like Jacob, and that's apparently too boring to pique anyone's interest

Shepard, dialogue - boring?

I dont agree

[Naltair]

TheShady wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Let me put it this way if I go to a baker and tell him every cake flavor he has is bad and he asks me what cake flavor I would like and I say an apple pie, does that make sense?

Yes, it does. He might make you an apple pie. He's a baker after all.

Cute, yeah I get that I just mean if you complain about one aspect but you never really cared about that aspect to begin with, why even mention it?  To strengthen a weak case?  What does the lack of compelling male LIs have to do with the fact that the OP only wanted to pursue a female + female relationship?  

[Kolaris8472]

Naltair wrote...
The problem with this thread is that you have a misleading title, this has nothing to really do with the female romance choices just that you wanted a choice not available to your gender choice.  This is a bait and switch methodology here, and although I know the OP left this thread long ago I think many people fail to see that the OP does not care one wit about the actual choices just that the choice they preferred was not available.

Let me put it this way if I go to a baker and tell him every cake flavor he has is bad and he asks me what cake flavor I would like and I say an apple pie, does that make sense?  That is essentially what the OP did.  Couch their "concern" in a  way that seems genuine but really is not.

Number of choices is not the same thing as quality of choices. Tali is pretty much everyone's (hyperbole) favorite character, of course that's going to be a big issue. The romance interests are weighted. The cake-baker knew this. 

I would have more respect if they just said, my female Shepard wanted to romance Tali but I could not this made me upset instead of making it seem like female Shepard was actually lacking in choices.  In fact the male Shepard has had no chances for any same sex relation ships and yet people just go on and on about how woe is me, I can't romance blank female character.

I still think many of the same sex, female + female postings are from men that just don't want to romance a man as a woman and then try and argue equality when it has nothing to do with it.  Just my gut feeling.  I am not saying the female choices are any better or worse than the male choices but they are comparable if you like heterosexual choices.

Why does that matter? Look at their arguments, not their motivations. Granted a lot of people seem to get on your case for your motivation for showing up in these threads, but you should just ignore them. 

[Nivilant]

Jacob hasn't saved the galaxy twice over with a third helping still to come (we hope). The savior piece has appeal.



*shrugs* I wasn't really into the whole romance thing, despite going after Thane for the achievement. I didn't romance anyone in ME1 either. Couldn't bring myself to do it, keep holding out for more options next game. Having said that, my Sheps are usually the 'married to duty' type anyway.



I would however like a best-buddy option. For all that squaddies are loyal, would die for Shep etc... they don't actually speak to him/her that often, and when they do they seem to think you're hitting on them (hilariously lampshaded by Mordin on one occasion).

[Kolaris8472]

DELETE: Silly forums...

Modifié par Kolaris8472, 06 février 2010 - 07:09 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I'm female who wanted better male LI's ... I admit that my biggest problem was Joker was not available as an option. My second problem is romancing an alien (whether dinosaur or lizard) does not appeal to me, and the Jacob lines were way too creepy they turned me off.

[Llandaryn]

AngryTigerP wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I could be wrong, but I don't think the romances in ME2 were meant to last. Thane, the most interesting male character in the game, is going to die. Tali's first duty is to the flotilla.

Oh, you mean Tali, who's been exiled from the Flotilla and is now a part of the Normandy's crew?

She didn't get exiled in my case. I used my super-Paragon powers to save her ass, and they dropped all charges against her. Don't know why she keeps "vas Normandy" in her name now, though.

[tmp7704]

BattleVisor wrote...

Shepard, dialogue - boring?

I dont agree

Shepard as character - boring.

His dialogue -- "tell me about yourself" "this is what you should be like" "this is what we should do". If there was NPC like that people would be making hate threads and asking for option to throw him out of airlock.

[Kolaris8472]

Llandaryn wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I could be wrong, but I don't think the romances in ME2 were meant to last. Thane, the most interesting male character in the game, is going to die. Tali's first duty is to the flotilla.

Oh, you mean Tali, who's been exiled from the Flotilla and is now a part of the Normandy's crew?

She didn't get exiled in my case. I used my super-Paragon powers to save her ass, and they dropped all charges against her. Don't know why she keeps "vas Normandy" in her name now, though.

Because either way, she gets fed up with the Flotilla politics and feels helping you save the galaxy is a better way to spend her time. 

[tmp7704]

Nivilant wrote...

Jacob hasn't saved the galaxy twice over with a third helping still to come (we hope). The savior piece has appeal.

He's saved the Citadel once, Shepard style. Apparently it counts for squat when it's NPC.

I would however like a best-buddy option.

You can sort of get that with him, fist bump et al if you duck the romance. That was pretty nice   No real dialogue beyond that but it's the same way with the other NPCs, there's just not enough content.

[Naltair]

Kolaris8472 wrote...
Number of choices is not the same thing as quality of choices. Tali is pretty much everyone's (hyperbole) favorite character, of course that's going to be a big issue. The romance interests are weighted. The cake-baker knew this.

But now you imply that tali or blank female character is a better quality LI than the alternatives?  Alternatives they never cared about in the first place?  I mean as I have said before I don't care where you want to go, but don't make it a quality issue when it's really a this is what I wanted to begin with but I didn't get it so I am going to blame the choices when I never cared about the choices to begin with.

Kolaris8472 wrote...
Why does that matter? Look at their arguments, not their motivations. Granted a lot of people seem to get on your case for your motivation for showing up in these threads, but you should just ignore them.

I look at both, because it's easy for someone to make it seem like they are furthering the cause of homosexual equality when they just want to have a female +  female relationship because it's easier for them, meaning males playing females.  I think that disgusts me personally not saying all are like that but when someone starts a post with I hate all the male choices, but oh I wanted a female choice anyway, it makes me wonder.

I would also wonder if someone said I hate all the females as a Male Shepard, I wanted Thane.  Then just come out and say that and not misconstrue that the choices are bad, instead of well no they may be fine I just prefer these choices.  because the males being bad choices does not equate to females obviously being the superior choice.  It just means you were not into men most likely anyway.

[Naltair]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm female who wanted better male LI's ... I admit that my biggest problem was Joker was not available as an option. My second problem is romancing an alien (whether dinosaur or lizard) does not appeal to me, and the Jacob lines were way too creepy they turned me off.

I actually think they missed a chance with Joker, since they gave Kelly such a role.  Maybe he might finally get his due in ME3?

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 07:20 .