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[btl_bailey]

I consider Kelly an option, just wish I could get an achievement for it. When my femShep met Liara (I romanced her in ME1) I felt like they cared for each other, the kiss was nice, but it really looked like Liara had grieved and moved on. Whatever her beef with the Shadow Broker is took more priority over no longer being dead. I actually almost feel like she manipulated me to get the info she needed.



I'm not particularly upset that there wasn't a bisexual romance option (Kelly aside). I think I was more confused that it looked like you could romance Tali and then she deiced she was too busy messing with the engines. Jack, I could understand batting for both teams in her past and not being into it now. I'm also irritated that, with a picture of my (former) lover on my desk, that talking to Jacob they try to force feed the innuendo. I wouldn't have had such a problem with it if BW had set it up as an actual dialogue option similar to Kelly, not the generic "I want to know more about you."



I think it would be cool for new DLC characters or squadmates in ME3 to have the option of being strictly in favor of their own gender or bi. Retconning an existing character (outside of Tali) to be bi just feels like a copout and isn't being true to the established canon.

[Naltair]

I think something Kolaris8472 mentioned sparked a thought while I was showering. I don't think we see relationships i the same way, meaning for you being interesting and attractive (not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically) is all that seems to matter. But to me no matter how interesting or cool or awesome another guy is I will not want to be with him romantically. So for me the choice is predetermined by sex, so when I state things like sex is the defining factor I mean that from my own perspective all things being equal, if they are not a woman I won't want to be romantically involved with them.

[Naltair]

btl_bailey wrote...
I think it would be cool for new DLC characters or squadmates in ME3 to have the option of being strictly in favor of their own gender or bi. Retconning an existing character (outside of Tali) to be bi just feels like a copout and isn't being true to the established canon.

I was in agreement till about right here but I understand, still think any retcon is a waste of resources and time.  I don't really see what makes her more an option than any other besides her not actually telling female Shepard no.

Introduce it in ME3 with fully fleshed out content I say.

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Kolaris8472]

Naltair wrote...

I think something Kolaris8472 mentioned sparked a thought while I was showering. I don't think we see relationships i the same way, meaning for you being interesting and attractive (not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically) is all that seems to matter. But to me no matter how interesting or cool or awesome another guy is I will not want to be with him romantically. So for me the choice is predetermined by sex, so when I state things like sex is the defining factor I mean that from my own perspective all things being equal, if they are not a woman I won't want to be romantically involved with them.

That's some good insight, probably comes back to whether we view sexual preferences as a choice or whether its hardwired. I feel extra-species relationships would make that choice a lot easier to make. 

[Naltair]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I think something Kolaris8472 mentioned sparked a thought while I was showering. I don't think we see relationships i the same way, meaning for you being interesting and attractive (not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically) is all that seems to matter. But to me no matter how interesting or cool or awesome another guy is I will not want to be with him romantically. So for me the choice is predetermined by sex, so when I state things like sex is the defining factor I mean that from my own perspective all things being equal, if they are not a woman I won't want to be romantically involved with them.

That's some good insight, probably comes back to whether we view sexual preferences as a choice or whether its hardwired. I feel extra-species relationships would make that choice a lot easier to make. 

Yeah I could see that, but to me I think BioWare goes with the stance that gender still plays a large role even inter-species relationships.  We don't see that many mind you but the ones we have seen, not counting asari, all seem to be male/female pairings.

[General Balls]

Garrus is an awesome love interest for the women.



Savouring the last shot before he pops the heat sink indeed.

[Caz Neerg]

TheShady wrote...

Naltair wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm female who wanted better male LI's ... I admit that my biggest problem was Joker was not available as an option. My second problem is romancing an alien (whether dinosaur or lizard) does not appeal to me, and the Jacob lines were way too creepy they turned me off.

I actually think they missed a chance with Joker, since they gave Kelly such a role.  Maybe he might finally get his due in ME3?

Wouldn't it... break? 

Brittle bones, not brittle boner.  And it is just his leg bones.  So as long as Shepard isn't on top, it should work fine.  And I would agree that a Joker romance for female Shepards would make a lot of sense, except that it might make EDI feel spurned and crash the Normandy.

[tmp7704]

Caz Neerg wrote...

And it is just his leg bones.

It's his bones in general i think, he cautions Shepard about the way his arm is handled when he's rescued in the opening, and makes a comment to effect of "What did you expect me to do, break my arm on them?" when asked why he didn't do more during Collector attack.

[Caz Neerg]

tmp7704 wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

And it is just his leg bones.

It's his bones in general i think, he cautions Shepard about the way his arm is handled when he's rescued in the opening, and makes a comment to effect of "What did you expect me to do, break my arm on them?" when asked why he didn't do more during Collector attack.

If it is his bones in general, that is a blatant retcon, because when you ask him about his disease in ME1 he specifically says it is just the leg bones.

[WilliamShatner]

Naltair wrote...

Few87 wrote...

The title of this thread is true, it seems a little odd that bioware give nobody interesting. Except the amazing Tali of course, and we cant have her

Again how is Tali more amazing than the current choices unless you just wanted Tali all along?  That is like me saying Garrus is amazing and I can't have him therefore all male choices are bad.  Does not make sense.

Tali is the best character in the game period.  She's so loveable and adorable, goes through a lot in the game emotionally and you feel a really strong connection and you want to share your emotions with her.  That is why she is significantly superior to any other love interest, and that is why it sucks that she is only a male LI.

[Llandaryn]

Few87 wrote...

The title of this thread is true, it seems a little odd that bioware give nobody interesting. Except the amazing Tali of course, and we cant have her

Entirely subjective. Just because they're not interesting to you, doesn't mean they're not interesting to other people. The galaxy revolves around the galactic core, remember; not around you.

[Caz Neerg]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Few87 wrote...

The title of this thread is true, it seems a little odd that bioware give nobody interesting. Except the amazing Tali of course, and we cant have her

Again how is Tali more amazing than the current choices unless you just wanted Tali all along?  That is like me saying Garrus is amazing and I can't have him therefore all male choices are bad.  Does not make sense.

Tali is the best character in the game period.  She's so loveable and adorable, goes through a lot in the game emotionally and you feel a really strong connection and you want to share your emotions with her.  That is why she is significantly superior to any other love interest, and that is why it sucks that she is only a male LI.

There is no "best character in the game period."  Just because Tali is your personal favorite doesn't mean other people have to agree with you.  Does she have the most cute personality?  Sure.  Is she the most innocent character?  Certainly.  Not everybody is attracted to the favorite little sister type.  And even if she were unarguably the most attractive character, that still doesn't mean that BioWare should feel obligated to make her go both ways if they feel that that would be inconsistent with the character.  If you really want to experience her romance, play a male Shepard.  It won't kill you to have more than one character ready for ME3.

[WilliamShatner]

Male Shepard is not good enough for Tali.

[tmp7704]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Tali is the best character in the game period.  She's so loveable and adorable, goes through a lot in the game emotionally and you feel a really strong connection and you want to share your emotions with her.  That is why she is significantly superior to any other love interest, and that is why it sucks that she is only a male LI.

Really matter of taste. What's "significantly superior" for one can be "an obnoxious marysue" for another.

Not that i think she is obnoxious, but she's so clearly engineered to be all-around likeable it's sometimes hard to get past that.

[Kolaris8472]

tmp7704 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Tali is the best character in the game period.  She's so loveable and adorable, goes through a lot in the game emotionally and you feel a really strong connection and you want to share your emotions with her.  That is why she is significantly superior to any other love interest, and that is why it sucks that she is only a male LI.

Really matter of taste. What's "significantly superior" for one can be "an obnoxious marysue" for another.

Not that i think she is obnoxious, but she's so clearly engineered to be all-around likeable it's sometimes hard to get past that.

She's intolerant of the Geth, is obstinately proud of her people, has the suit issue and a complex surrounding it, didn't have a particularly caring father, is not so skilled outside of ships and engineering, and gets both her teams killed (perhaps out of her control) on both her missions. 

Its quite possible that people love her for those reasons or in spite of them, but I find it way off base to say she's without flaws. 

[Llandaryn]

Despite using Tali on almost every mission in ME1 (along with Liara, because they complimented my Soldier class) I never really got into her personality much. In ME2, when she talks so sadly about not even being able to touch a flower, and a single kiss potentially making her sick, I get the whole sympathy thing, and that's when she really comes alive for me.

Not that I'd want to romance her. She's my best female-friend, and Garrus is my best male-friend. If I was playing a male Shepard, I might try romancing Tali, because I can feel the emotional connection that exists between Shepard/Tali and Shepard/Garrus -- there's a deep trust thing going on, with Tali saying she trusts you enough to share her suit-environment with you, and Garrus saying you're about the only friend he has left -- but I wouldn't want the devs to suddenly make Tali gay or bi just to suit my female Shepard's needs. It wouldn't be fair to Tali - her first concern is the Flotilla and her people. They have to do their best to maintain a stable population, which is why they restrict how many kids a family can have. If half the Quarian race suddenly starts turning gay because people want to get into their suits and see what they look like without the masks, we're looking at a Quarian mass-extinction.

JAT.

[abisha]

wow this for real??

just a game people, i play a Femshep for the sake of voice.

getting sick of hearing male voices in my head o.0, about this bi thing just leave it the way it is.

other i take a step more, i wanna have a realationship with Legion......or EDI

[DaeJi]

Naltair wrote...
I was in agreement till about right here but I understand, still think any retcon is a waste of resources and time. 

Time and resources? It's an afternoon's work they could do while working on something else.

[Kolaris8472]

Llandaryn wrote...

Despite using Tali on almost every mission in ME1 (along with Liara, because they complimented my Soldier class) I never really got into her personality much. In ME2, when she talks so sadly about not even being able to touch a flower, and a single kiss potentially making her sick, I get the whole sympathy thing, and that's when she really comes alive for me.

Not that I'd want to romance her. She's my best female-friend, and Garrus is my best male-friend. If I was playing a male Shepard, I might try romancing Tali, because I can feel the emotional connection that exists between Shepard/Tali and Shepard/Garrus -- there's a deep trust thing going on, with Tali saying she trusts you enough to share her suit-environment with you, and Garrus saying you're about the only friend he has left -- but I wouldn't want the devs to suddenly make Tali gay or bi just to suit my female Shepard's needs. It wouldn't be fair to Tali - her first concern is the Flotilla and her people. They have to do their best to maintain a stable population, which is why they restrict how many kids a family can have. If half the Quarian race suddenly starts turning gay because people want to get into their suits and see what they look like without the masks, we're looking at a Quarian mass-extinction.

JAT.

This is exactly, exactly how I feel, but I'm trying to cope with the fact that the combination of possibilities (Tali being dead, Tali being spurned, Tali being romanced, Tali being exiled, Tali returning to the fleet...) is going to make a satisfying friendship resolution extremely unlikely. They just don't do non-romantic dialog for romantic interests. And I would rather have a romance option (that I still feel isn't out of character) than having nothing at all, even to just talk to her and then tell her not to risk her health. 

Although I disagree with the outlook on Quarian sexuality, its out of character for her to be doing this with a human in the first place. Meanwhile the stigma on multiple births would make other means of "stress relief" (thank you Mordin) more likely in my eyes, like that nerve-stimulator the Quarian had on Ilium. 

Modifié par Kolaris8472, 06 février 2010 - 10:27 .

[tmp7704]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Its quite possible that people love her for those reasons or in spite of them, but I find it way off base to say she's without flaws. 

Large part of these (distant father, the suit issue, team mates dying) wouldn't be considered flaws for the marysue but elements of her tragic background, intended to make character more engaging and to highlight how despite all setbacks she maintains positive attitude   Note they aren't exactly her personal flaws, but rather factors beyond her control that make the character more of "aww poor thing needs a hug" person.

[SomethinNothing]

As far as LIs go: Thane > Garrus >>> Tali >>>Jacob >>>>>>>> Miranda > Jack



FemSheps got way better LIs overall. The only MaleShep one that's any decent is Tali.

[Kolaris8472]

tmp7704 wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Its quite possible that people love her for those reasons or in spite of them, but I find it way off base to say she's without flaws. 

Large part of these (distant father, the suit issue, team mates dying) wouldn't be considered flaws for the marysue but elements of her tragic background, intended to make character more engaging and to highlight how despite all setbacks she maintains positive attitude   Note they aren't exactly her personal flaws, but rather factors beyond her control that make the character more of "aww poor thing needs a hug" person.

The "needs a hug" reaction is hardly something indicative of a Mary Sue. Just because a character is like-able does not make them a Sue. 

She also does not maintain a positive attitude about any of those things. She's incredibly hurt and at best jaded about her relationship with her father, very bitter but determined to overcome her difficulties with suit-life (to a suicidal degree), and broods over the loss of her team and is incredibly grateful to you specifically if you manage to get at least one member back alive. 

[Mooner911]

SarEnyaDor wrote...
...and the Jacob lines were way too creepy they turned me off.

whew! so it wasn't just me. thanks

[tmp7704]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

The "needs a hug" reaction is hardly something indicative of a Mary Sue. Just because a character is like-able does not make them a Sue.

Fair enough; i considered it a factor when combined with other aspects like being the tech genius etc, but if it's preferable she could be considered a Moe character instead.

[Llandaryn]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

This is exactly, exactly how I feel, but I'm trying to cope with the fact that the combination of possibilities (Tali being dead, Tali being spurned, Tali being romanced, Tali being exiled, Tali returning to the fleet...) is going to make a satisfying friendship resolution extremely unlikely. They just don't do non-romantic dialog for romantic interests. And I would rather have a romance option (that I still feel isn't out of character) than having nothing at all, even to just talk to her and then tell her not to risk her health. 

Yes, it is rather sad how the friendship banter tails off if you spurn your potential love-interest. I can see how this might ****** Jack off, maybe Miranda... but not Jacob, he's just too cool and laid back. And definitely not Tali/Garrus because they've been your bud since ME1 and should allegedly know how you tick.

Hmm... I can remember in DA:O there being an option for Dalish elves to do the whole "Ew, I'd never care for a human," bit on Alistair. Does anything like that exist for a Shepard in relation to Tali/Garrus? Because they would definitely ****** them off, I reckon.