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[Enrage13]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Shep is a woman for at least half the paying audience...............

If you are implying that half of the people paying for ME2 are female, I'd say you are almost certainly wrong. I'd be willing to be that the split is AT LEAST 75% male, probably more. There is a reason that the game industry continues to try to appeal to the 18-25 male audience more than any other, and it should be pretty obvious why.

[Benethyarr]

For those who are saying "well the female characters are all straight, so just get over it" you're really missing the point. These aren't real people, they're characters - and Bioware chose whether each of them was straight or gay when writing them. Given that some players would have liked MM or FF options, why not write in one or more potential love interests who would be open to that possibility?

Even if Tali or Garrus were fixed in their minds as being definitely straight, there was really nothing to stop them making new characters like Miranda, Jack, Jacob or Thane bi or gay.

[Trapper_920]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Shep is a woman for at least half the paying audience...............

I have a feeling your right, male or female gamer I think the femshep is more favored. I for one cant even get attached to a maleshep. Any version I tried outside of my normal main (Sara Shepard)  just feels weird.

[SarEnyaDor]

I think there are alot more than 25% female players first of all, but there are alot of males who play females.



Funnily enough, although we didn't see any femShep in advertising before the game dropped, the entire guide is filled with femShep screen shots...

[josiahjacob]

Enrage13 wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Shep is a woman for at least half the paying audience...............

If you are implying that half of the people paying for ME2 are female, I'd say you are almost certainly wrong. I'd be willing to be that the split is AT LEAST 75% male, probably more. There is a reason that the game industry continues to try to appeal to the 18-25 male audience more than any other, and it should be pretty obvious why.

femshep isn't just for female buyers. she means that about half the people who play the game play as femshep.  

[Brahlis]

SarEnyaDor wrote...
I think there are alot more than 25% female players first of all, but there are alot of males who play females.

Which is why people get so annoyed when you have threads asking for the devs to change the characters so that their douchebag selves can get in some "hawt" alien lesbian action for their femShep. It's ridiculous.

[SarEnyaDor]

*sigh* knew it would get back to the lesbian thing eventually.

I'm a straight female gamer, and I just think the male options in general sucked unless you like aliens or Jacob. Jacob may have been alright if they didn't tramp my Shep up everytime she talked with him, it made him icky and I avoided him. Garrus is toxic to me, and has mandibles that I find less than attractive, Thane may have kiss-able looking lips for a lizard-man, but again, I'm not all about the new and weird and the alien or into taboo-breaking behavior.

I just wanted more Kaidan interactions or a decent human romance that made sense and wasn't forced, and I was disappointed. Aside from wishing Joker could have been that option, I don't have an agenda, just giving my opinion.

The thread's title is about females being short-changed in LI department, and I think they were. If the OP wanted to make it only about lesbian femShep's being short-changed they should have said it, otherwise it doesn't need to always go back there, does it?

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 08 février 2010 - 06:43 .

[WoodWizzard87]

TeenZombie wrote...

ninjakittie wrote...

Playing a female Shepard is terrible in ME2, the love interest choice are terrible. Jacob is boring and too nice, Garrus has a half blown up face and too much of a friend, and Thane is awesome and cool but I'll pass on mating with a half fish, half lizard. Looks like hell raiser. Why couldnt I get Jack, Miranda, or Tali. I really wanted Tali. Come on Bioware seriously, with what you made possible in Dragon Age you are going to run away and be forced to be traditional and boring. For shame. 

Agree completely, but at least femSheps have Jennifer Hale's voice, and look sexy while kicking Reaper ass.  Anyway, having no interest in the ME2 love interests just made it that much easier to stay faithful to Kaidan. 

I loved Jennifer Hale's voice in teh first ME, but something was really itching my brain about the performance in ME2.  I played as a Paragade, yet throughout the whole game the tone of the voice always seemed like she was coming off as a **** all the time, except for the parts where you try to romance someone, where it became a very soft and airy voice.  Only thing that bothered me basically.  Maybe Devs told her she was suppose to come off as a badass chick this time or something.

[Benethyarr]

Brahlis wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...
I think there are alot more than 25% female players first of all, but there are alot of males who play females.

Which is why people get so annoyed when you have threads asking for the devs to change the characters so that their douchebag selves can get in some "hawt" alien lesbian action for their femShep. It's ridiculous.

No offence, but is there any particular reason that guys shouldn't play female characters and then go for lesbian love interests? Is there something wrong with that? Especially from a game that lets your character hook up with a wide variety of alien races and see sex scenes featuring them...

And as for 'asking the devs to change the characters', the real question is why did Bioware write all the characters that way in the first place? They made a design decision at some point to exclude the possibility of MM and FF romance in ME2, after opening the door to same-sex relationships in ME1. This seems like a strange reversal to me, and a lot of other people, and it'd be nice to see an honest explanation from Bioware as to why they made the change.

[Brahlis]

SarEnyaDor wrote...
*sigh* knew it would get back to the lesbian thing eventually.

Appologies, I wasn't responding to you specifically, but just that general comment. I was mostly referring to (some comments in this thread) but the threads asking for the devs to change characters so they can have that.

[josiahjacob]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

*sigh* knew it would get back to the lesbian thing eventually.

I'm a straight female gamer, and I just think the male options in general sucked unless you like aliens or Jacob. Jacob may have been alright if they didn't tramp my Shep up everytime she talked with him, it made him icky and I avoided him. Garrus is toxic to me, and has mandibles that I find less than attractive, Thane may have kiss-able looking lips for a lizard-man, but again, I'm not all about the new and weird and the alien or into taboo-breaking behavior.

I just wanted more Kaidan interactions or a decent human romance that made sense and wasn't forced, and I was disappointed. Aside from wishing Joker could have been that option, I don't have an agenda, just giving my opinion.

The thread's title is about females being short-changed in LI department, and I think they were. If the OP wanted to make it only about lesbian femShep's being short-changed they should have said it, otherwise it doesn't need to always go back there, does it?

i don't like that, as femshep, you can't just be friends with male crew members. in ME1 i spent time talking to everyone, including kaiden, and if you show any interest in who he [his character] is, he thinks you want him and gets mad about mixed signals when you turn him down. and i hated how trampy femshep got around jacob. 

most other ingame LIs are female, so of course the lesbian direction, but i like joker, and i think more,  better male LI's for the femsheps would be great. i take the lesbian route because, hey, i like girls, therefore, so does my shep  

[Brahlis]

Benethyarr wrote...
No offence, but is there any particular reason that guys shouldn't play female characters and then go for lesbian love interests? Is there something wrong with that? Especially from a game that lets your character hook up with a wide variety of alien races and see sex scenes featuring them...

Yeah, let's change the character's and make them bisexual for a bunch of horny teenage/college boys. Fantastic idea. Doesn't cheapen anything at all. Not at all.

[Trapper_920]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

*sigh* knew it would get back to the lesbian thing eventually.

I'm a straight female gamer, and I just think the male options in general sucked unless you like aliens or Jacob. Jacob may have been alright if they didn't tramp my Shep up everytime she talked with him, it made him icky and I avoided him. Garrus is toxic to me, and has mandibles that I find less than attractive, Thane may have kiss-able looking lips for a lizard-man, but again, I'm not all about the new and weird and the alien or into taboo-breaking behavior.

I just wanted more Kaidan interactions or a decent human romance that made sense and wasn't forced, and I was disappointed. Aside from wishing Joker could have been that option, I don't have an agenda, just giving my opinion.

The thread's title is about females being short-changed in LI department, and I think they were. If the OP wanted to make it only about lesbian femShep's being short-changed they should have said it, otherwise it doesn't need to always go back there, does it?

I'm a straight male gamer, my interest in this post is more about my dislikeing of how they did the overall LI. I play as a femshep because I dont like the personality of the male shep and I hate looking at a guys backside for countless hours. Garus in my opinion is the only interesting personality I seen for an LI as a femshep but hes too much a friend to really see that work out.

Aside from the disease I'm similar in to Joker and hes a non-LI so their goes the H-H LI all together and thus I settled on a empty captians room. I hope to see ME3 made more interesting overall.

Orientation don't concern me, I have a tendacy to agree with you comment.

[Brahlis]

Trapper_920 wrote...
I'm a straight male gamer, my interest in this post is more about my dislikeing of how they did the overall LI. I play as a femshep because I dont like the personality of the male shep and I hate looking at a guys backside for countless hours.

What does that have to do with anything? It's a video game. Seriously, I've never once sat and stared at Shepards ass. I'm too busy looking at - you know - the world around me and the characters around me.

Modifié par Brahlis, 08 février 2010 - 06:58 .

[josiahjacob]

Luc0s wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

*sigh* knew it would get back to the lesbian thing eventually.

I'm a straight female gamer, and I just think the male options in general sucked unless you like aliens or Jacob. Jacob may have been alright if they didn't tramp my Shep up everytime she talked with him, it made him icky and I avoided him. Garrus is toxic to me, and has mandibles that I find less than attractive, Thane may have kiss-able looking lips for a lizard-man, but again, I'm not all about the new and weird and the alien or into taboo-breaking behavior.

I just wanted more Kaidan interactions or a decent human romance that made sense and wasn't forced, and I was disappointed. Aside from wishing Joker could have been that option, I don't have an agenda, just giving my opinion.

The thread's title is about females being short-changed in LI department, and I think they were. If the OP wanted to make it only about lesbian femShep's being short-changed they should have said it, otherwise it doesn't need to always go back there, does it?

The problem is not people like you, but the fact that 90% of the femshep players are in fact boys who in my opinion act like they try to force their perverted 'hawt' girl-on-girl fantasies on the awesome Mass Effect series. Those people seriously need to get laid... (in reallife ofcourse)

(I know I'm going to get  a lot of femshep fanBOYS against me now, but this is my honest opinion)

i won't deny i have "hawt girl on girl" fantasies for my femshep, but, as i said before, with the toned down love scenes in me2, it's not like seeing a few moments on screen is my only reason. i like the romance option because it involves in game relationships, not just in game sex. i wanted an in game relationship with Tali for example. in her scene, you don't even get to see her face. 

i love mass effect because it's an in depth, very well done, realistic sci-fi game/adventure/story
i don't want it to be reduced to adolecent lesbian porn fantasies either. but a wider variety of LI's for both sheps, of both genders, would be nice.

and this is my last post on the subject for now. i work thirds, and gotta get some sleep. happy arguing folks.

[SarEnyaDor]

Yeah, all my femSheps have an empty room before the mission, with sad music in the background, and the strange feeling that no matter what happens on the mission my fish will end up dead and my space hamster will still be too scared to come out for more than a second.

[Brahlis]

I will add that I wholeheartedly agree with SarEnyaDor's sig image.

[jlb524]

Brahlis wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...
I'm a straight male gamer, my interest in this post is more about my dislikeing of how they did the overall LI. I play as a femshep because I dont like the personality of the male shep and I hate looking at a guys backside for countless hours.

What does that have to do with anything? It's a video game. Seriously, I've never once sat and stared at Shepards ass. I'm too busy looking at - you know - the world around me and the characters around me.

I still don't see why you feel the need to belittle straight men for finding women (especially two women together) attractive?  It's kind of getting old.   It makes sense to me.  One woman = hot. ...  Two women = hotter.

Though, I guess you keep going back to it b/c it's the only 'argument' you've got against why BW shouldn't include f/f romance in ME.

[RiouHotaru]

I find it odd that the girls think they got the short end of the stick. For me, I found the MaleShep LIs to be even more ridiculous. Miranda is shameless fanservice with an utterly ridiculously romance. Jack is a sweet girl once you Paragon her, but she's rather broken. Tali felt like the ONLY decent one out of the bunch. But then, IMO, Garrus is only decent one out of the FemShep LIs too. Jacob is boring and corny (gawd his flirting lines are terrible), and Thane has Carth Syndrome.



Heck, the ONLY reason Thane even exists was because fans wanted a "hot malien" for the ladies to romance. But I guess even the ME fans are an Unpleasable Fanbase.

[Benethyarr]

Brahlis wrote...

Benethyarr wrote...
No offence, but is there any particular reason that guys shouldn't play female characters and then go for lesbian love interests? Is there something wrong with that? Especially from a game that lets your character hook up with a wide variety of alien races and see sex scenes featuring them...

Yeah, let's change the character's and make them bisexual for a bunch of horny teenage/college boys. Fantastic idea. Doesn't cheapen anything at all. Not at all.

Well, that's not what I said, and not what I meant.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with an adult of any age getting some enjoyment from sexual themes in an adult game - be that straight sex, gay sex, sex with aliens, whatever. If that's something that you find somehow offensive or pathetic, then that's your call - but TBH I don't really get what you've got against it.

And no, I don't think it cheapens it. And I certainly don't think that MM or FF relationships are in any way 'cheaper' than straight sex. TBH though I find it a bit puzzling that you think having lesbians in the game would be inherently cheap, but you don't object to the majority of the female party members being hyper-sexualised and used as a major element of the game's marketing.

And finally, we're back to the whole thing of 'changing the characters'. I didn't suggest that. What I said was that it was strange that Bioware chose not to include any gay or bisexual love-interests in ME2 after having included one in ME1. If you've got some insight into why backing away from those themes makes ME2 a better or more mature game, then by all means share them.

[Brahlis]

jlb524 wrote...

I still don't see why you feel the need to belittle straight men for finding women (especially two women together) attractive?  It's kind of getting old.   It makes sense to me.  One woman = hot. ...  Two women = hotter.

Though, I guess you keep going back to it b/c it's the only 'argument' you've got against why BW shouldn't include f/f romance in ME.

I'll belittle them becuase if that's their assbackwards reasoning for it, then they're missing the entire point of an RPG.