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[Gerse1]

Luc0s wrote...


The romance part is only an EXTRA, the option to play a female Shepard is only an EXTRA (honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware just stick with the original John Shepard, good RPG's with powerful stories don't need a character-creation option).

Ok, while I agree with your parenthetical statement, I must take exception to the notion that the female Shepard is "only an EXTRA."   Why do you assume the "original" Shepard is a male?  Because that's who's on the cover? Just because their marketing only shows male Shepard because the gaming demographic is still majority 18-30 year old males and they need sell copies, doesn't mean FemShep is just extra.  She has unique lines, 3 LIs of her own, NPCs and squaddies have unique dialogue for her, and judging from the forums many would agree with me that her VA is better and that playing femShep is, for whatever reason, more believable and immersive to a lot of us.  So if all that was just an "extra" to Bioware then they sure got lucky throwing in that extra.

[Abirn]

Luc0s wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...
I'm a straight male gamer, my interest in this post is more about my dislikeing of how they did the overall LI. I play as a femshep because I dont like the personality of the male shep and I hate looking at a guys backside for countless hours.

What does that have to do with anything? It's a video game. Seriously, I've never once sat and stared at Shepards ass. I'm too busy looking at - you know - the world around me and the characters around me.

I still don't see why you feel the need to belittle straight men for finding women (especially two women together) attractive?  It's kind of getting old.   It makes sense to me.  One woman = hot. ...  Two women = hotter.

Though, I guess you keep going back to it b/c it's the only 'argument' you've got against why BW shouldn't include f/f romance in ME.

The reason Brahlis belittle people like you is because we are talking about a sci-fi action-rpg game here, not a (dating)sim. Mass Effect is all about the story, the action, the fantastic enviorment, the awesome music and genius characters.

The romance part is only an EXTRA, the option to play a female Shepard is only an EXTRA (honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware just stick with the original John Shepard, good RPG's with powerful stories don't need a character-creation option).

Besides, the "I don't want to watch at a blokes ass all time" is the weakest excuse ever and only shows how sad you people are.
I never heard anyone complaining about Link's back in The Legend of Zelda, I never heard anyone complain about Marcus' back in Gears of War, so why would any sane and serious gamer complain about John Shepard's back? You guys are just pathatic.

If you want hot girl-on-girl, go hire some lesbian porn. Seriously...

You would have a point if they designed ME2 this way based on their own internal ideas and discussions.  But the fact is the only reason there are no f/f relationships is because Fox news threw a hissy fit (filled with lies and propaganga) about the First one.  

If Bioware wants to not include gay relationships that is their choice, and I have no problem with it.  But if you believe that fox news had nothing to do with this decision then I've got oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.  Caving in to those idiots is unnacceptable.

[SarEnyaDor]

I can honestly say I wouldn't have played ME1 or 2 if I couldn't have played as femShep.



I could never get into Halo or Gears of War or even Bioshock the way I could with ME1. The less connection you have with the character (in my personal opinion) the less the story means to you.

[Yantze]

Gerse1 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...


The romance part is only an EXTRA, the option to play a female Shepard is only an EXTRA (honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware just stick with the original John Shepard, good RPG's with powerful stories don't need a character-creation option).

Ok, while I agree with your parenthetical statement, I must take exception to the notion that the female Shepard is "only an EXTRA."   Why do you assume the "original" Shepard is a male?  Because that's who's on the cover? Just because their marketing only shows male Shepard because the gaming demographic is still majority 18-30 year old males and they need sell copies, doesn't mean FemShep is just extra.  She has unique lines, 3 LIs of her own, NPCs and squaddies have unique dialogue for her, and judging from the forums many would agree with me that her VA is better and that playing femShep is, for whatever reason, more believable and immersive to a lot of us.  So if all that was just an "extra" to Bioware then they sure got lucky throwing in that extra.

I agree that femshep isnt just extra but her VA makes my ears bleed. And as a male player I dont see how playing a female is more believeable. Games that allow me to make my character I tend to try and create them in my image as best as possible. All the decisions I make based off how I would if that were really me. But yes they did get shafted with romances.

[lordfrikk]

Yantze wrote...

If you want hot girl-on-girl, go hire some lesbian porn. Seriously...

We want interactive lesbian porn.

Modifié par lordfrikk, 08 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[Brahlis]

lordfrikk wrote...

We want interactive lesbian porn.

Well played.

[brain_damage]

Awhuh? Mass Effect isn't a dating sim? Since when?

[Wakara Pezi]

Yantze wrote...

I agree that femshep isnt just extra but her VA makes my ears bleed. And as a male player I dont see how playing a female is more believeable. Games that allow me to make my character I tend to try and create them in my image as best as possible. All the decisions I make based off how I would if that were really me. But yes they did get shafted with romances.

Makes your ears bleed?  The male VA makes one's ears bleed. 

I'm a female player I love the fact that I can choose to be a female shep.  I'm glad we have the option to choose the sex of shepard.

[Trapper_920]

Luc0s wrote...

Besides, the "I don't want to watch at a blokes ass all time" is the weakest excuse ever and only shows how sad you people are.
I never heard anyone complaining about Link's back in The Legend of Zelda, I never heard anyone complain about Marcus' back in Gears of War, so why would any sane and serious gamer complain about John Shepard's back? You guys are just pathatic.

A response like this is exactly why I ocasionally toss in a comment like that. It never fails for someone to take that line and pull it into every response their after. Typical!

When given the choice to not be "cannon" I always take it. This case I liked picking the option of femshep and I have to say doing this as a male shep just dont feel right.

I dont like any of the options for the male either, given the choices I would rather talk with Jeff  "Joker" on the bridge with a cold one remembering old friends and good times before the last epic battle of ME2.

As typical for me in most games my personality better fits with one of the other characters. Like ME its Joker and Dragon Age its Alister, its noramlly because you have no emotion to the main character. ME is the only exception I know of because you pick an option and shepard speaks. Dragon Age is an example where you lose touch with your character because I dont get the emotional tie from reading a text option.

I would have liked a non-LI scene at the last battle cut scene, like mentioned above with Jeff.

Why does it have to be a LI? Why do you need to have sex? Why cant we chose LI or non-LI at that last moment? Why not have an option for straight/bi/gay?

Why did they make it more emotional in ME than they did in ME2? I couldnt feel any connection to the romantic aspects in ME2.

As for Liara I just have a soft spot for blue women with head tenticals, sorry thats a lil creapy but its true.

[Trapper_920]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I can honestly say I wouldn't have played ME1 or 2 if I couldn't have played as femShep.

I could never get into Halo or Gears of War or even Bioshock the way I could with ME1. The less connection you have with the character (in my personal opinion) the less the story means to you.

I like that comment, its a very fitting argument. I dont know why but playing as a male character in many games is weird for me.

Please don't over analyse that comment. 

[thethain]

 Isn't the point of LI to get screwed?

[Trapper_920]

My point is why cant you have both LI and PI relationships you build in the game depending on who your interested in and what interested you have. Take Tali as another example, I'm interested in her because of her personality and her peoples history but (aside from the point that shes digital) I'm not romantically interested in her.

[Trapper_920]

Also a side note on someones comment before. I have never played any zelda games, hated gears of war, and I don't like Halo. Army of two was ok but too much male hormones and steroids, that goes the same for gears as well.



Only male character I really liked was solid snake, oh and old snake A.K.A Big boss. I can feel his character (sympathize) even though its not an RPG.

[SkywardDescent]

Its true, you either get a boring guy, a fish-man, or the burn-victim-lizard-man...

[Rykimaruh]

Wait, you want lesbo romance? Don't think Bioware would want that, and before you mention Liara, remember asari's don't have gender. It's just human perspective that they are women with their physique and voice and all. They said it themselves and in codex if I remember correctly in ME1. You are too picky I mean, you got Jacob, Thane, and Garrus. Probabbly would had been better if Joker was part of it...then again...would be weird since his romance is EDI lol.

[TheShady]

Women are the better people. That's why I play a femShep.



(I'm male.)

[Naltair]

TheShady wrote...

Women are the better people. That's why I play a femShep.

(I'm male.)

No but thanks for trolling.

[erilben]

Luc0s wrote...

No, because the novels say so! If you have read any of the Mass Effect novels or the new graphic-novel, you'd notice that they talk about 'he', 'him' and 'his', as well as they call his full name, JOHN Shepard in Mass Effect Revelation.

Stop making a fool out yourself. They do no such thing. Revelation takes place long before ME1. Shepard is no more than a child and is not even mentioned.

[Trapper_920]

Luc0s wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...


The romance part is only an EXTRA, the option to play a female Shepard is only an EXTRA (honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware just stick with the original John Shepard, good RPG's with powerful stories don't need a character-creation option).

Ok, while I agree with your parenthetical statement, I must take exception to the notion that the female Shepard is "only an EXTRA."   Why do you assume the "original" Shepard is a male?  Because that's who's on the cover?

No, because the novels say so! If you have read any of the Mass Effect novels or the new graphic-novel, you'd notice that they talk about 'he', 'him' and 'his', as well as they call his full name, JOHN Shepard in Mass Effect Revelation.

This is not a novel its a sci-fi action rpg losely based on a novel.

Even if you watch a movie based on a novel its still not the novel. Look at every review ever made on any movie based on a novel and you will see people complain up and down that: "this is not what they did in the book", "the completly cut this...", oh yea and my favorite "they completly made that up", also combined that with "this book never had a romace scene, how made that decision?", I could go on but I dont have all nite.

[Trapper_920]

erilben wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

No, because the novels say so! If you have read any of the Mass Effect novels or the new graphic-novel, you'd notice that they talk about 'he', 'him' and 'his', as well as they call his full name, JOHN Shepard in Mass Effect Revelation.

Stop making a fool out yourself. They do no such thing. Revelation takes place long before ME1. Shepard is no more than a child and is not even mentioned.

I might have to make it a point to read that now. I know I'm reading the new graphic novel and I dont recall any he/she reference but I will re read to verify.

[TheShady]

Naltair wrote...

TheShady wrote...

Women are the better people. That's why I play a femShep.

(I'm male.)

No but thanks for trolling.

I mean it! If there's no specific reason why a protagonist is male, it might as well be a woman, for fairness-sakes. Women are just more interesting to me. Besides, there's like 0.1 percentage point more women than men.

In fact, the "hero who saves the day/world/galaxy against impossible odds and is just so goddamned awesome" is incredibly boring and if its a man, it's an even bigger cliché...


And, yes, they are nicer to look at. What's wrong with that?

[jellobell]

Luc0s wrote...

The romance part is only an EXTRA, the option to play a female Shepard is only an EXTRA (honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware just stick with the original John Shepard, good RPG's with powerful stories don't need a character-creation option).

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? When has bioware ever said that the option to play as a female is simply an add-on, or that the mass effect storyline features any kind of "original" Shepard? Vanderloo-shep is on the cover for the sole purpose of having a coherent marketing strategy. You're free to think of John Shepard as your own personal canon version, but don't foist your preconceptions on everyone, especially if they're being used to argue that playing a Femshep is any less valid than playing a Maleshep.

Personally I had no problem with the alien LIs, I can however see how someone who isn't particularly attracted to them could feel shortchanged, and I do wish that the Kelly romance was a bit more fleshed out, though the Devs acknowledged that it was more a "fling" than a romance.

Modifié par jellobell, 09 février 2010 - 01:01 .