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[Naltair]

How are women any better than men, there is no correlation there. Both are equally fine for the role of Shepard and I am glad there is a choice.

But to say one is better than the other is just troll bait.

Plus I really like looking at my male Shepard he looks badass. There are plenty of women in game for me to look at so I am fine with my lead being male.

Modifié par Naltair, 09 février 2010 - 12:58 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I don't recall them naming John Shepard in Revelation........... got a page and quote we can check?

[Celestria129]

TeenZombie wrote...

ninjakittie wrote...

Playing a female Shepard is terrible in ME2, the love interest choice are terrible. Jacob is boring and too nice, Garrus has a half blown up face and too much of a friend, and Thane is awesome and cool but I'll pass on mating with a half fish, half lizard. Looks like hell raiser. Why couldnt I get Jack, Miranda, or Tali. I really wanted Tali. Come on Bioware seriously, with what you made possible in Dragon Age you are going to run away and be forced to be traditional and boring. For shame. 

Agree completely, but at least femSheps have Jennifer Hale's voice, and look sexy while kicking Reaper ass.  Anyway, having no interest in the ME2 love interests just made it that much easier to stay faithful to Kaidan. 

Agree as well. essecially the Kaidan  bit.

[yoshibb]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I can honestly say I wouldn't have played ME1 or 2 if I couldn't have played as femShep.

I could never get into Halo or Gears of War or even Bioshock the way I could with ME1. The less connection you have with the character (in my personal opinion) the less the story means to you.

Same for me, especially RPGs. In fact, I've ruled out RPGs that don't allow me to play as a female. I have to deal with playing as a male in every other video game genre, when I role play I want my PC to be my own gender, making decisions I would make. I've tried playing a MaleShep and I just can't get into it.

It's enough that we don't get any marketing or hardly any acknowledgement from most companies as girl gamers. To be called just an EXTRA? Really?

Modifié par yoshibb, 09 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[TheShady]

Naltair wrote...

How are women any better than men, ....

They control reproduction.




(How could you take that seriously....)

[Naltair]

It still seems odd to me that no one notices that the OP's post has nothing to do with the actual choices and just wants a same sex relationship which is not exactly any kind of commentary on female Shepard's choices. No more so than male Shepard's choice in that department.



I can see if people think they had poorer choices but it's not for the reason the OP outlines.

[Naltair]

I apologize there are some ignorant posters who actually feel that one gender is better than another and make that a "point" in their argument.

[Trapper_920]

TheShady wrote...

Naltair wrote...

TheShady wrote...

Women are the better people. That's why I play a femShep.

(I'm male.)

No but thanks for trolling.

I mean it! If there's no specific reason why a protagonist is male, it might as well be a woman, for fairness-sakes. Women are just more interesting to me. Besides, there's like 0.1 percentage point more women than men.

In fact, the "hero who saves the day/world/galaxy against impossible odds and is just so goddamned awesome" is incredibly boring and if its a man, it's an even bigger cliché...


And, yes, they are nicer to look at. What's wrong with that?

I cant argue that!

Nope I'd rather step back and give a thumbs up to that post. Reminds me Ashleys comment in the first game in an elevator convo with Liara. It was about women in combat and having to fight tooth and nail to be able to serve.

[Naltair]

I agree with women being the hero, but them being better intrinsically.



No.



But I do think it is great that Shepard is a strong female lead that does not need vast sex appeal, she just does her job and does it well.



By sex appeal I mean she isn't running around half naked or with cleavage out the wazoo.

[jellobell]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I don't recall them naming John Shepard in Revelation........... got a page and quote we can check?

They didn't, though while they might have mentioned the name "Shepard" there were no first name/gender/appearance references. In fact I seem to recall Bioware saying that all the supplemental material, such as the books and the comics, were intentionally vague about Shepard's identity and choices, so that they wouldn't contradict the player's unique experience. For example in Revelation there was some exposition about whether Udina or Anderson would be nominated for a spot on the council (not stating whether this was the human or alien council).

Modifié par jellobell, 09 février 2010 - 01:13 .

[Trapper_920]

I'm not boasting that one is better than the other, I apologize if I said anything to suggest that.



But their are time I wish I could steal KellyGurrls special outfit and run around the Normandy. lol

[SarEnyaDor]

jellobell wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I don't recall them naming John Shepard in Revelation........... got a page and quote we can check?

They didn't, though I think they might have mentioned the name "Shepard" there was no first name/gender/appearance references. In fact I seem to recall Bioware saying that all the supplemental material, such as the books and the comics, were intentionally vague about Shepard's identity and choices, so that they wouldn't contradict the player's unique experience. For example in Revelation there was some exposition about whether Udina or Anderson would be nominated for a spot on the council (not stating whether this was the human or alien council).

Your pic is disturbingly similar to mine, might be time for me to put my Dalish back up LOL

Anyway, that's what I thought/remembered I just wasn't sure if I had forgotten it or not. I hate it when I can't remember if I remember something.

[TheShady]

Trapper_920 wrote...

I'm not boasting that one is better than the other, I apologize if I said anything to suggest that.

But their are time I wish I could steal KellyGurrls special outfit and run around the Normandy. lol

No, he was referring to me. I said that, as a joke. Clearly men are superior to women... (that was a joke too).

Naltair wrote...

But I do think it is great that Shepard is a strong female lead that does not need vast sex appeal, she just does her job and does it well.

By sex appeal I mean she isn't running around half naked or with cleavage out the wazoo.

Very much agreed. Maybe that's why I like femShep so much more... she's less of that "female video game protagonist" cliché whereas maleShep feels more like that "male video game protagonist" cliché.

I dunno what it is, my Shepard is just female and I'm sticking too it.

Modifié par TheShady, 09 février 2010 - 01:19 .

[jellobell]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

jellobell wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I don't recall them naming John Shepard in Revelation........... got a page and quote we can check?

They didn't, though I think they might have mentioned the name "Shepard" there was no first name/gender/appearance references. In fact I seem to recall Bioware saying that all the supplemental material, such as the books and the comics, were intentionally vague about Shepard's identity and choices, so that they wouldn't contradict the player's unique experience. For example in Revelation there was some exposition about whether Udina or Anderson would be nominated for a spot on the council (not stating whether this was the human or alien council).

Your pic is disturbingly similar to mine, might be time for me to put my Dalish back up LOL

Anyway, that's what I thought/remembered I just wasn't sure if I had forgotten it or not. I hate it when I can't remember if I remember something.

I noticed that too, long-lost identical twin perhaps?

Don't worry about not remembering, I only remember it because I read Revelation recently, and I really appreciate how Bioware handled the expanded material *shakes fist at Lucasarts' canon Revan*.
Nowadays I feel a bit spoiled by Bioware and their constant inclusion of a female character option. I love playing my own gender in RPGs, so much so that it feels jarring when that character is presented as male (see: Revan).

[Kaji-chan]

Celestria129 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

ninjakittie wrote...

Playing a female Shepard is terrible in ME2, the love interest choice are terrible. Jacob is boring and too nice, Garrus has a half blown up face and too much of a friend, and Thane is awesome and cool but I'll pass on mating with a half fish, half lizard. Looks like hell raiser. Why couldnt I get Jack, Miranda, or Tali. I really wanted Tali. Come on Bioware seriously, with what you made possible in Dragon Age you are going to run away and be forced to be traditional and boring. For shame. 

Agree completely, but at least femSheps have Jennifer Hale's voice, and look sexy while kicking Reaper ass.  Anyway, having no interest in the ME2 love interests just made it that much easier to stay faithful to Kaidan. 

Agree as well. essecially the Kaidan  bit.

I agree! And there's that rewarding scene before the trip through the Omega-4 Relay when femShep looks on Kaidan's pictureframe. Definitely helped me feel that staying faithful was worth it.

A bit on a tangent, did anyone pursue the Garrus romance and come out a bit horrified by how whorish Shepard's dialogue is? I can never again hear the words "reach" or "flexible" without breaking down into horrified tears.

[Kaji-chan]

TheShady wrote...

Naltair wrote...

TheShady wrote...

Women are the better people. That's why I play a femShep.

(I'm male.)

No but thanks for trolling.

I mean it! If there's no specific reason why a protagonist is male, it might as well be a woman, for fairness-sakes. Women are just more interesting to me. Besides, there's like 0.1 percentage point more women than men.

In fact, the "hero who saves the day/world/galaxy against impossible odds and is just so goddamned awesome" is incredibly boring and if its a man, it's an even bigger cliché...


And, yes, they are nicer to look at. What's wrong with that?

Sorry about the double post, I'm back-tracking my reading.

I don't think having male Shepard as the poster boy has anything to do with preferencing males of females... A large majority of gamers are male, and are probably more likely to play a game advertised with a male protagonist. DragonAge was also advertised with a male Grey Warden.

I would *prefer* that Bioware show BOTH male and female Shepards in their promotional trailers... but I guess that's just business.

[SarEnyaDor]

If it makes you feel any better the guide is chock full of femShep screen shots.

[jellobell]

Kaji-chan wrote...

A bit on a tangent, did anyone pursue the Garrus romance and come out a bit horrified by how whorish Shepard's dialogue is? I can never again hear the words "reach" or "flexible" without breaking down into horrified tears.

 Ah yes. Though not as bad as Jacob (why did shep get that coquetteish smile when I hadn't made any dialogue selections yet?) it did seem that Shepard was a bit more...forceful during the Garrus romance than I would have liked. However I always thought that this was a reaction to Garrus being so adorably dense during the conversation, since you'll notice that she tries to be a bit more subtile but he just doesn't get what she's saying.

This was present for most of the ME2 romances though (Thane's "I want you" option), and I think it's because in ME1 simply being nice to the romanceable crewmembers causes them to fall head over heels. Then they pounce on you five conversations later saying "we have something really special, right? RIGHT?".

[Kaji-chan]

jellobell wrote...

Kaji-chan wrote...

A bit on a tangent, did anyone pursue the Garrus romance and come out a bit horrified by how whorish Shepard's dialogue is? I can never again hear the words "reach" or "flexible" without breaking down into horrified tears.

 Ah yes. Though not as bad as Jacob (why did shep get that coquetteish smile when I hadn't made any dialogue selections yet?) it did seem that Shepard was a bit more...forceful during the Garrus romance than I would have liked. However I always thought that this was a reaction to Garrus being so adorably dense during the conversation, since you'll notice that she tries to be a bit more subtile but he just doesn't get what she's saying.

This was present for most of the ME2 romances though (Thane's "I want you" option), and I think it's because in ME1 simply being nice to the romanceable crewmembers causes them to fall head over heels. Then they pounce on you five conversations later saying "we have something really special, right? RIGHT?".

Kaidan tries to be a bit more sly about it. Maybe he was just paranoid of having his rank compromised. "I'll need some time to process that, Commander." *giggle*

I haven't tried to romance Jacob yet. Well, that's wrong... I did, but he just stopped talking to me out of the blue. I'm wondering if I disagreed with him and pissed him off somehow. All he says is his "I'm good Shepard, ready for anything" line.

I guess they were trying to make the dialogue a little more suggestive, since the romance scenes aren't nearly as intense as they were in ME1. Well, Miranda's was pretty hot...

[Wakara Pezi]

SkywardDescent wrote...

Its true, you either get a boring guy, a fish-man, or the burn-victim-lizard-man...

So, true!   

[Trapper_920]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

SkywardDescent wrote...

Its true, you either get a boring guy, a fish-man, or the burn-victim-lizard-man...

So, true!   

Thats an interesting way of putting it, must of missed that post before. My opinions looking at either the male or female options in ME2 just dont roll like it did in the original.

My opinion as a man:
Miranda is full of herself = not apealing, Tali is like that best friend you've know all your life, and Jack has some poise of interest but I would never be more than a friend to a person like her.

The way I view my femshep:
Garus is a good friend you'd trust to cover your back but not on ride it (pardon the pun), For Thane I'll steal a comment from Joker and say "he's way to nice a guy for the number of ways he knows how to kill" more or less I'm getting at he's nice but just not my type, Jacob is like that co-worker thats attractive but just isn't your type.

This topic has wandered a lot going from LI to just what shepard is suposed to be (man or woman). I think I also made a comment earlier that may have suggested that John was cannon, I'd like to take that part of the comment back. Its funny how ones memory can only recall so much at times, their was something that made me think that the ME1 suggest that a male shepard is default. It just occured to me that I think their was 4 options on ME1 new game menu: Quick male = John, Quick female = Jane, Custom Male, Custom female.

Perhaps the promos made me think that John was the default either way a lot I've looked at says nothing about he/she references. I find it some what fitting that male shepard was promoed in the comercials and femshep got highlighted in the guide, I just wish I would have seen femshep more advertized.

Any any light I'm a guy and I proudly play as a femshep and bad LI's will not stop me from playing this game. I just hope to see better done on the next round. I also in some way hope we may see the future shepard for thoes that did invest in a LI that is capable of having children.

Modifié par Trapper_920, 09 février 2010 - 05:47 .

[Llandaryn]

Miranda wears a mask. Shepard forces her to look in the mirror and realise that perfection isn't everything. Jack wears a mask, and Shepard forces her to realise that living in the past means that your past controls you. Tali doesn't wear a mask (well, at least not of the Persona archetype kind) but she's known you since ME1. She opens up to you more in ME2. Likewise for Garrus, he's pretty candid with you from the start. Jacob is just a straight-forward no-nonsense guy.



Haven't picked up Thane of Samara yet, so can't comment.

[josiahjacob]

ok. so, i slept, went to work, get home.... and damn do i have some reading to do.

some of you make good points. some of you throw temper tantrums. some do both. one thing everyone did is throw the topic out the window.



is shep male or female according to canon?

easy answer: both. it's YOU'R GAME. things you do in the first influence the second, and hopefully the third, just as things in the second will influence the third. that means who's alive, who's dead, everything.

arguing that shep MUST be male or MUST be female is pointless. why not argue about whether shep is earth born or a spacer? a biotic or soldier? war hero or sole survivor?



MY shep is female because i prefer Hale's voice acting. She's into girls because i didn't want to have steamy sex with Kaiden. simple as that. if your shep is different, good for you! have a cookie.



this thread is about love interests, or lack thereof, and how some gamers think femshep got the short end of the stick. that's all.

some people say that LIs shouldn't even be in the game, that they're unimportant extra. that's rubbish. an rpg is a ROLE PLAYING game. it tells a story through the medium of a cast of characters, and how they interact with the world around them, as well as with each other.

as with any story, anything that can pull you, the viewer/reader/gamer in further, emotionally, only makes the story better. because the more emotional attachment you have to the story, the more you care about it, how it started, how it will end, and what will happen to the people you meet along the way.

that means that seeing Garrus again is like seeing an old friend. i didn't use him much in ME1, but when i saw it was him in ME2 i laughed, toasted the screen with my drink, and, aloud, asked him how he's been.

it's because of the characters we meet in the game that we like it so much. that's why in game relationships, or even romances, are important.

do they effect the plot? maybe not. but i feel the game would be less without them.







and i want my femshep to totally nail Tali.