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[Nozybidaj]

Trapper_920 wrote...

I talked to her til she had nothing more to say and did her loyalty mission. She constantly talks about how she was built for perfection and thats all. This creates no interest for me to even try talking to her with a male shep.

Don't forget about how terrible it was to be born into a life of wealth where her father gave her everything she ever wanted.  Sounds awful really.

[Naltair]

She hates being rich and powerful...

[WilliamShatner]

It reminds me of that Britney Spears song in which she moaned for three minutes about how being wealthy and famous was terrible. Vomit inducing.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 09 février 2010 - 07:13 .

[Nozybidaj]

WilliamShatner wrote...

It reminds me of that Britney Spears song in which she moaned for three minutes about how being wealthy and famous was terrible. Vomit inducing.

It really makes me feel for the character on a deeply personal and emotional level.  Honest.

[redloz]

it's funny i tried romancing Jacob (who is, for want of a better phrase, almost thrown at Femshep as a love interest), but I was too renegade with him, so it didn't happen. It made me laugh, but also slightly annoyed.

I wasn't interested in Thane and Garrus is Shep's buddy, it would've been nice if you could chat more with your squad dispite not romancing them. It cuts off very abruptly, ha, Garrus and those calibrations of his.





Also yes, poor Miranda and her perfection. Always questioning if it was her amazing personal talents alone, or indeed her impeccable engineering that made her so accomplished at everything she does? God, what a nightmare she's living in.

[tmp7704]

redloz wrote...

Also yes, poor Miranda and her perfection. Always questioning if it was her amazing personal talents alone, or indeed her impeccable engineering that made her so accomplished at everything she does? God, what a nightmare she's living in.

It can be a nightmare for intelligent enough person* and she quite obviously meets that condition. In fact, that intelligence which makes her question it being most likely also result of her DNA engineering is probably just another twist of knife in the wound.

*) similar problem to whether anything we do is a result of our own free will, or if we're just puppets on pre-destined path

[Kaji-chan]

WilliamShatner wrote...

It reminds me of that Britney Spears song in which she moaned for three minutes about how being wealthy and famous was terrible. Vomit inducing.

Woah.

WOOOOAAAAHHHH.

You did not just diss Britney Spears. No one moans like she does.

[redloz]

tmp7704 wrote...

redloz wrote...

Also yes, poor Miranda and her perfection. Always questioning if it was her amazing personal talents alone, or indeed her impeccable engineering that made her so accomplished at everything she does? God, what a nightmare she's living in.

It can be a nightmare for intelligent enough person* and she quite obviously meets that condition. In fact, that intelligence which makes her question it being most likely also result of her DNA engineering is probably just another twist of knife in the wound.

*) similar problem to whether anything we do is a result of our own free will, or if we're just puppets on pre-destined path

yeah i was being a bit flippant, and i actually quite like Miranda, but I couldn't help rolling my eyes a bit as she didn't talk about much else. That discussion she has with Shepard in particular - something along the lines of ''it's different for you because your accomplishments show how capable you are, you don't second guess yourself because your skills are unquestionably your own.''

Yes okay fair enough, but it's that sort of ''god your soooo lucky you have to work at everything you do, you don't understand what it's like, having everything given to you.'' I've just met some privaliged people who say stuff like that to me and it kinda reminds me of them.

(No offence to anybody meant by that if you come from a wealthy family I have no problem with anyone who comes from money, just when they tell me how lucky I am i havent. So yeah. )

Still, I enjoyed her loyalty mission, and that sad look she gives her ''sister'' towards the end made me feel for her. 

Modifié par redloz, 09 février 2010 - 07:54 .

[Trishann]

Bioware gave us Garrus. What more do you need? This was more than being tossed a bone.



Wait...

[Trapper_920]

Luc0s wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

Miranda is full of herself = not apealing, Tali is like that best friend you've know all your life, and Jack has some poise of interest but I would never be more than a friend to a person like her.

You clearly haven't played Miranda's loyalty mission, neither have you tried to romance her with a male Shepard or most likely you didn't even talk to her at all. If you talk to her once in a while, do her loyalty mission and romance her if you're a man, you should know better. Miranda is NOT full of herself.

I talked to her til she had nothing more to say and did her loyalty mission. She constantly talks about how she was built for perfection and thats all. This creates no interest for me to even try talking to her with a male shep.

Miranda IS build to be the perfect woman, that's a (in game) fact! But she doesn't like it at all. She actually kinda hates herself for being build as the perfect woman. When you talk to her as a male Shepard you can dig deeper into this subject. She'll show you that she's actually quite insecure about who she really is (she's designed to be perfect, so she can't really take any credit for any of her achievements in her opinion), she opens up to you and show you her sensitive side if you go all paragon with her, or her playful side if you go renegade with her.

You're obviously ignorant and biased on the character Miranda.

You like to spew your opinions on people dont you?

I talked to her with a femshep and she does open up but she still falls back to that genetic alteration and she was made great but shepard was great before she was "re-made". Perhaps "full of herself" is not the right word becaause its too open to interpertation. When I see Miranda all I see this that one girl I knew back in school that was "Dadys perfect angel", I'm not going to keep compairing her to Miranda because its not the point any more.

The point is their is nothing about her thats interesting to me in the form of a LI. A close friend maybe but this game dont seam to care if you want a friendship or a romance. I know that from everything I seen in her when tring to make sure the crew likes my version of femshep. Note I said like not love!
Its a personal opinion for a reason so stop insulting me with your false acusitions.

[HAGA NAGA]

Trishann wrote...

Bioware gave us Garrus. What more do you need? This was more than being tossed a bone.

Wait...

good for you maybe (and i am happy for you, but you're somewhat of a rarity). you should be able to at least understand the fact that not everybody wants to sex up Garrus like you do.

Maleshep got it all.

Femshep got a bit.

I play both Sheps, so, i win either way. but a lot of people can only stomach playing one or the other. it's understandable. and everybody knows Femshep got shafted deep down.

[Naltair]

How did Male Shepard get it all? I don't understand this.

if anything Female Shepard has more chances to engage in the kinds of activities that the OP wants than male Shepard which is 0 same sex relationships.

Modifié par Naltair, 09 février 2010 - 10:52 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Naltair wrote...

How did Male Shepard get it all? I don't understand this.

if anything Female Shepard has more chances to engage in the kinds of activities that the OP wants than male Shepard which is 0 same sex relationships.

Well, i guess i should really say "Heterosexual Players both MaleShep & FemShep got it all"

i agree with you on the m/m, but i'd go a step further to say that the F/F romances are gimmicky for males with a lesbian fetish rather than those interested in convincing, touching and endearing F/F relationships. 

however, i do feel in "general" and "collectively" speaking that Malesheps were offered more than Femsheps. 

[Naltair]

I agree to what you are saying about the quality and tone of the same sex female relationships. Given I have little to no experience with same sex relationships of either type I would be personally terrible at writing or implementing them realistically.



I would hope that Bioware could do better.

[thehistorysage]

"Garrus is too much of a friend..."



What a freakin' cliche. Yes, wouldn't it be horrible if you decided to be with someone whom you got along with, enjoyed spending time with and had things in common with? Yes choosing a friend for a relationship, what a terrible choice. 8-|



Hollywood has truly emotionally crippled an entire generation.

[Deztyn]

I don't really care about romancing the female characters, so I can't comment on that. Sorry if you're into that kind of thing, but I didn't miss it and certainly wouldn't consider it's absence as insulting to Female Shepard players any more than the lack of gay love interests is an insult to Mansheps. Unfortunate for the players who are looking for it, yes.  An essential aspect of gameplay that the game is lacking without, no.

As far as Shep's existing love interests go, I was one of those irritated by the lack of human options, but then I played the game and was surprised to realise I loved both Thane, whose otherness initially put me off and Garrus, who wasone of my least favorite squadmembers in the first game. The relationship with Thane was probably the most romantic in the series and very bittersweet. Garrus had just the right combination of shamelessness, adorable and horribly awkward to be convincing. Jacob I found irritating, so I never bothered to romance him, but I've seen enough posts about him to know not everyone shares my opinion and wouldn't consider my lack of interest a failing for Bioware.

The only complaint I have is they were too short, there was much more dialogue with your LI in the first game. On the other hand, despite the limited conversation trees the ME2 love interests managed to feel much more real to me than Kaidan did in the first game. I loved Kaidan as a character but at the end of the last game I wasn't sure if that relationship qualified as a fling, a flirtation that ended in bed due to dramatic circumstances or the start of a great relationship. There's no ambiguity in ME2, Thane is clearly committed to Femshep for whatever time he has left. Garrus is a trusted and respected friend first whether you consider their time together blowing off steam/FWB or the beginning of a lasting relationship.

tl;dr version: My Shepard certainly got screwed and aside from the rash and the chafing didn't have many complaints.

[Llandaryn]

thehistorysage wrote...

"Garrus is too much of a friend..."

What a freakin' cliche. Yes, wouldn't it be horrible if you decided to be with someone whom you got along with, enjoyed spending time with and had things in common with? Yes choosing a friend for a relationship, what a terrible choice. 8-|

Hollywood has truly emotionally crippled an entire generation.

Have to both agree and disagree. No problem with the friend thing in itself. On the other hand my PC in ME1 considered Kaidan a friend even before the shoddy 'romance' scene, and look how that one turned out. Massive hissy fit on Horizon. In front of my cru, no less! He could at least have taken me to one side and had a quiet discussion about how much I stabbed him in the back by dying then being resurrected against my will by Cerberus, but nooo...

I think you should give the 'friend' speech to Ashley/Kaidan.

Anyroad, I don't have a problem with the female romances, apart from as people have already said, stunted/forced dialogue which is common to all squad-members and your interactions with them, whether romancing or not. Mainly, I don't have a problem with it because I (the gamer) am human. I see humans every day. I don't want to do every-day things in a computer game. I want to blow things up with the awesome power of my mind. I want to wield 5 guns and some sort of miniature nuclear reactor type Cain thing that made me think I've just bombed the Bikini Atoll. I want to fly around in my awesome spaceship saving the galaxy, and to that end, I have no problem being portrayed as an alien or romancing an alien, however 'icky' or improbable it may be. In sci-fi/fantasy we can indulge our imaginations and do the things that we can never do IRL. That includes blowing stuff up with your mind and romancing aliens, whether they be blue human-like chicks with a dance fetish or super-mnemonic assassin frogmen.

Personally, I find the world immersive. If I only had humans to romance, it would be like "humans in space, with some aliens on the side". Instead of "in space with aliens every single day, talking to them, forming friendships/relationships." You can either look at it in the way many people do, in that Bioware screwed certain players over by not giving them what they want, or you can look at it the way I do; that life isn't about always getting what you want, and sometimes you are forced to deal with issues like this.

That's more than two cents; I think I'm owed change.

Modifié par Llandaryn, 10 février 2010 - 12:16 .

[jingweisun]

ppl r paying too much attention to romance



this is a adventure game about fighting evil aliens

[Gerse1]

Kaji-chan wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Kaji-chan wrote...

A bit on a tangent, did anyone pursue the Garrus romance and come out a bit horrified by how whorish Shepard's dialogue is? I can never again hear the words "reach" or "flexible" without breaking down into horrified tears.

 Ah yes. Though not as bad as Jacob (why did shep get that coquetteish smile when I hadn't made any dialogue selections yet?) it did seem that Shepard was a bit more...forceful during the Garrus romance than I would have liked. However I always thought that this was a reaction to Garrus being so adorably dense during the conversation, since you'll notice that she tries to be a bit more subtile but he just doesn't get what she's saying.

This was present for most of the ME2 romances though (Thane's "I want you" option), and I think it's because in ME1 simply being nice to the romanceable crewmembers causes them to fall head over heels. Then they pounce on you five conversations later saying "we have something really special, right? RIGHT?".

Kaidan tries to be a bit more sly about it. Maybe he was just paranoid of having his rank compromised. "I'll need some time to process that, Commander." *giggle*

I haven't tried to romance Jacob yet. Well, that's wrong... I did, but he just stopped talking to me out of the blue. I'm wondering if I disagreed with him and pissed him off somehow. All he says is his "I'm good Shepard, ready for anything" line.

I guess they were trying to make the dialogue a little more suggestive, since the romance scenes aren't nearly as intense as they were in ME1. Well, Miranda's was pretty hot...

I could never get Jacob's romance dialogue to come up either, even after getting his loyalty.  I'm assuming it's because I had already starting pursuing the romances with Garrus and Thane -- maybe they don't let you do 3 at at time? I dunno why, it's not any ****tier than Shepard's "why don't we skip the fight and get straight to the tie-breaker...something something I can show you my flexibility."  The Garrus romance dialogue was hilarious (..ly awkward) but it was a bit too much for me, at least for my Paragade playthrough.  I'm not trying to be prudish by any means, but I chose Thane just because their romance seemed to fit her constructed personality better; the Garrus lines didn't feel right coming out of her mouth.  Which is too bad because I heart Garrus a thousand times over, he'll definitely get his turn on my Renegon playthrough ;)

[Llandaryn]

jingweisun wrote...

ppl r paying too much attention to romance

this is a adventure game about fighting evil aliens

Actually, it's an RPG about fighting aliens, but their motives have yet to be established. Taking life doesn't make something inherently evil, and if the Reapers require human deaths to live and propogate... well then, makes us the cattle for a change, doesn't it? Better hope that scrawny calf is packing an uzi.

(And it's also about blowing stuff up with the awesome power of your mind/tech/guns).

[IccaRa]

Deztyn wrote...

tl;dr version: My Shepard certainly got screwed and aside from the rash and the chafing didn't have many complaints.

I love you. (Agreed with the rest of your post as well.)

My Shepard is quite happy with her warm hallucinogenic love.

[jingweisun]

i jsut think obsessing over computer game romance is just embarrassing. i know i didnt get a boner or anything from miranda's bigass. i dont think average girl gamers would be rubbing themselves to kaidan or jacob

both the male and female romance in me2 are pretty dull and meaningless , except mabe for jack(the crazy bald woman)

Modifié par jingweisun, 10 février 2010 - 12:31 .

[Gerse1]

danteshepard wrote...

thane ain't so bad. I chose him for my fem shepard because garrus seems uncomfortable (paragon choices keep the relationship friend zone.) thane is pretty badass though. jacob I jsut haven't gotten around to that path.

You know, despite his own denials, I always felt like "I" was making him uncomfortable too.  It's like, the devs weren't expecting the outpouring of love and demands to make him romanceable after ME1, and that they thought it was funny but also weird, and that was reflected a bit in the way they designd his romance. So much comic relief and awkward jokes, and there are like 3 different occasions where you have a chance to change your mind, where femShep has to reassure him that it's not gonna be weird...sometimes I almost felt like they were *trying* to make me feel silly for romancing him.  OK that sounds a bit too extreme, I don't mean it literally, but I did get the sense they were poking fun at the player in a good natured way.

[Gerse1]

thehistorysage wrote...

"Garrus is too much of a friend..."

What a freakin' cliche. Yes, wouldn't it be horrible if you decided to be with someone whom you got along with, enjoyed spending time with and had things in common with? Yes choosing a friend for a relationship, what a terrible choice. 8-|

Hollywood has truly emotionally crippled an entire generation.

this. thankyou.