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Saurel wrote...

ninjakittie wrote...

 Why couldnt I get Jack, Miranda, or Tali. I really wanted Tali. 

I sympathize , considering I didn't really like the male options that much. Biker chick, Cold Blooded but Shy girl, or tech gybsy.

Can't imagine how I would feel if my options were dull Marine guy, Reptile dude, Reptile Dude number 2 with kid....and dying.

The problem is two-fold for my Femshep. She only likes girls. The male romance options are something she's always been used to, since she is so beautiful, but she's a girls girl. plain and simple.

F/F was certainly an option that was made available in ME1 and i assumed that tradition would continue, particularly due to its apparent popularity with other players. as romance numbers increased in ME2, i assumed it would correlate with the "type" of romances in ME1. it did not. even if you consider Kelly a true romance, which i don't, and since you don't get tagged as a "cheater" for pursuing her i would assume bioware doesn't consider her  a true romance either.

This would be my chief argument for arguing the case that "Femshep was screwed in the LI department" there are many others, but this is the main reason.

[jlb524]

drakkan1021 wrote...

None of them are Liara, so I don't really care.

Yeah, those new gals got nuthin' on Liara!

Oh Liara, my love...come back to me!!!

Modifié par jlb524, 10 février 2010 - 07:30 .

[khenmes]

Deztyn wrote...

I don't really care about romancing the female characters, so I can't comment on that. Sorry if you're into that kind of thing, but I didn't miss it and certainly wouldn't consider it's absence as insulting to Female Shepard players any more than the lack of gay love interests is an insult to Mansheps. Unfortunate for the players who are looking for it, yes.  An essential aspect of gameplay that the game is lacking without, no.

As far as Shep's existing love interests go, I was one of those irritated by the lack of human options, but then I played the game and was surprised to realise I loved both Thane, whose otherness initially put me off and Garrus, who wasone of my least favorite squadmembers in the first game. The relationship with Thane was probably the most romantic in the series and very bittersweet. Garrus had just the right combination of shamelessness, adorable and horribly awkward to be convincing. Jacob I found irritating, so I never bothered to romance him, but I've seen enough posts about him to know not everyone shares my opinion and wouldn't consider my lack of interest a failing for Bioware.

The only complaint I have is they were too short, there was much more dialogue with your LI in the first game. On the other hand, despite the limited conversation trees the ME2 love interests managed to feel much more real to me than Kaidan did in the first game. I loved Kaidan as a character but at the end of the last game I wasn't sure if that relationship qualified as a fling, a flirtation that ended in bed due to dramatic circumstances or the start of a great relationship. There's no ambiguity in ME2, Thane is clearly committed to Femshep for whatever time he has left. Garrus is a trusted and respected friend first whether you consider their time together blowing off steam/FWB or the beginning of a lasting relationship.

tl;dr version: My Shepard certainly got screwed and aside from the rash and the chafing didn't have many complaints.

Agree 100% Even though many people started out judging these two LIs to be bad in the end the Thane and Garrus romances were awesome! 

Yeah I suppose if one wanted the gay romance then you got screwed but personally I really wanted more male options in ME2 and there IS a LARGE following for Garrus and Thane (especially if you look at the Neck Snap Appreciation Society or any Garrus group).

Some of them like to stay off of the main forum due to annoying 'fishman/lizardman' comments....(get over it.). Though I'm sure these fans are playing a more intelligent game than I by not responding on this topic (since it is mostly dude players here who wanted a lesbian love interest or others and put down the malien ones- come one they are GREAT romances), but Deztyn you seem to have started out disliking the concept of an alien romance and, like many, realized that they are very well-written and interesting.

Thane is incredibly romantic (so very loyal to shepard) and Garrus we've always known was loyal and brings a light heartedness to his romance. Overall, this is just my opinion but I wanted to let a good amount of people know that there are MANY fans of these LIs, we're just tired of hearing the same complaints about them (of course yes, an option to have a gay romance couldn't have hurt but that is no reason to constantly voice your hate on the maliens)

http://gameinformer....n-of-thane.aspx

There is also this really intriguing article about Thane's design (link above) and a wonderful quote from it being:   "As far as men go – like with the Asari – you make her blue and give her the perfect body and you’re good to go. Women are more sophisticated than that."

As an artist I completely get the reasoning for this design but, let me guess, the comments that will arrive after this article will be something like "more sophisticated is screwing a fish/lizard guy?" .....yep probably. Either way you can ignore my opinions like many here who have tried to voice how much they enjoyed the Femshep romances and that they were great.....or don't, it doesn't matter.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 I said it once, but I'll say it again.  I don't feel screwed over at all.  I got THREE LIs in this game.  THREE.  And two of them (Garrus and Thane) are pretty much my favorite LIs ever with the exception of Alistair.  They are cool looking and they have great personalities.  Win+Win+Win

Hey. that's great news, thanks for sharing.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 I said it once, but I'll say it again.  I don't feel screwed over at all.  I got THREE LIs in this game.  THREE.  And two of them (Garrus and Thane) are pretty much my favorite LIs ever with the exception of Alistair.  They are cool looking and they have great personalities.  Win+Win+Win

Hey. that's great news, thanks for sharing.

You don't have to get tochy.  It's just my opinion.  If lots of people start saying the female LIs suck, Bioware might believe them and go in a completely different route with the next game.  That's obviously what you want.  It's NOT what I want.  I'm shamelessly promoting what I want, just as you are.  I like the LIs in this game, and I don't want them to go anywhere.  I have as much right to "petition, complain, praise" or whatever as anybody else.

you're right about me getting touchy, but you're totally misuderstanding what I WANT, read my post at the top of the page. I would never want you to lose the LIs you like so much, that would be awful. I'm arguing that MY Femshep got screwed and i explain why, it has nothing to do with what you are proposing it does. and yes you have as much right to post as me.

[redloz]

nevermind

Modifié par redloz, 10 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[Sphynx118]

redloz wrote...

nevermind

Its called having a discussion. Ever heard of it? Just because she doesnt share your (retarded) views on how females got screwed doesnt mean that anyone has the right to mock her opinion.
Were are you from that made you have this world view? North korea?

A thread is supposed to let people share their different opinions about a subject. Not having one side moan about only their crap and then attack people who feel differently

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I agree with you.  I'm a member of Fight for the Love and all that even.  I just think that the thread title is inaccurate.  It implies all the romance options for femshep sucks when really the problem is the lack of one specific type of romance option.  I am all for f/f romance and I hope people get it.  (As well as m/m.)  I just don't want f/f to be put in at the expense of malien options.  Preferably, we could have both.  Instead of saying something that is the equivalent in the thread title of "all LIs for femshep suck" which many think is not true, why not say "I want f/f options?"  I know you didn't write the thread title, but my initial reaction was to that title and not specifically to you.  That's why I felt like I should post in here.

props. sorry for earlier. i feel the same way.

[Policyofnoreturn]

jingweisun wrote...


i jsut think obsessing over computer game romance is just embarrassing. i know i didnt get a boner or anything from miranda's bigass. i dont think average girl gamers would be rubbing themselves to kaidan or jacob

both the male and female romance in me2 are pretty dull and meaningless , except mabe for jack(the crazy bald woman)

That post says more about you than it does anything else. No one here  is talking about rubbing their genital parts on a monitor to the graphic accompaniment of pixel serfs. We're talking about a game where we play a character which is not us but in which we nevertheless invest time and effort for our enjoyment. A pixel romance is just as meaningful (if not more) as blowing up little pixels in order to save an imaginary galaxy against a chimerical threat.

In this *fantasy* universe each gamer should have the choice to treat each game iteration as he or she wishes. Making all potential love interests romanceable regardless of the gamer's gender (if the gamer so wishes) would add more options, which translates to more content and, hence, more replayability. I do agree with you that most of the romantic options were too little fleshed out and turned out somewhat bland. More depth (pun intended) would have added some much needed umph to our Shepard's interactions...

Modifié par Policyofnoreturn, 10 février 2010 - 08:50 .

[redloz]

Sphynx118 wrote...

redloz wrote...

nevermind

Its called having a discussion. Ever heard of it? Just because she doesnt share your (retarded) views on how females got screwed doesnt mean that anyone has the right to mock her opinion.
Were are you from that made you have this world view? North korea?

A thread is supposed to let people share their different opinions about a subject. Not having one side moan about only their crap and then attack people who feel differently

Woah hang on we got our wires crossed here. I put something quite long down along the lines of how I didn't mind the LI's in this game, but being surprised about getting a negative response to saying you loved the LI choices in ME2 on a thread that inhabits players who disliked the LI's, seems a bit odd. Not that it's wrong, like I said, I wasn't that bothered about the LI's myself.

I'm sorry if 'nevermind' seemed aggressive, it wasn't directed at anybody, I just deleted what I put and didn't know what to replace it with. I apologize.

EDIT: I originally removed my long post because I realized I didn't want to get involved, irony right?

Modifié par redloz, 10 février 2010 - 09:00 .

[Wakara Pezi]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I agree with you.  I'm a member of Fight for the Love and all that even.  I just think that the thread title is inaccurate.  It implies all the romance options for femshep sucks when really the problem is the lack of one specific type of romance option.  I am all for f/f romance and I hope people get it.  (As well as m/m.)  I just don't want f/f to be put in at the expense of malien options.  Preferably, we could have both.  Instead of saying something that is the equivalent in the thread title of "all LIs for femshep suck" which many think is not true, why not say "I want f/f options?"  I know you didn't write the thread title, but my initial reaction was to that title and not specifically to you.  That's why I felt like I should post in here.

"at the expense of malien options..."  You have 3 and f/f are left with Liara who barely even acknowledged our romance... 
 

Modifié par Wakara Pezi, 10 février 2010 - 08:53 .

[Lord Atlia]

I found the LIs to be very interesting this time around, males get two emotional ones (Tali and Jack) and 1 booty call (Miranda) and females got 2 emotional ones (Thane and Garrus) and 1 booty call (Jacob). A lot better than DA:O where the females in my opinion got the best romance by far (Alistair).

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Wakara Pezi wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I agree with you.  I'm a member of Fight for the Love and all that even.  I just think that the thread title is inaccurate.  It implies all the romance options for femshep sucks when really the problem is the lack of one specific type of romance option.  I am all for f/f romance and I hope people get it.  (As well as m/m.)  I just don't want f/f to be put in at the expense of malien options.  Preferably, we could have both.  Instead of saying something that is the equivalent in the thread title of "all LIs for femshep suck" which many think is not true, why not say "I want f/f options?"  I know you didn't write the thread title, but my initial reaction was to that title and not specifically to you.  That's why I felt like I should post in here.

"at the expense of malien options..."  You have 3 and f/f are left with Liara who barely even acknowledged our romance... 
 

yeah. it's pretty bad, but i think Ragabul just means ME3 "having" f/f romance(s) and losing the malien options.  i don't think that will happen due to the current trend, but then again the "trend" in ME1 was thrown out almost entirely in ME2 which really irritated my Femshep.

[Naltair]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I agree with you.  I'm a member of Fight for the Love and all that even.  I just think that the thread title is inaccurate.  It implies all the romance options for femshep sucks when really the problem is the lack of one specific type of romance option.  I am all for f/f romance and I hope people get it.  (As well as m/m.)  I just don't want f/f to be put in at the expense of malien options.  Preferably, we could have both.  Instead of saying something that is the equivalent in the thread title of "all LIs for femshep suck" which many think is not true, why not say "I want f/f options?"  I know you didn't write the thread title, but my initial reaction was to that title and not specifically to you.  That's why I felt like I should post in here.

This has been my main issue with this thread since it's inception.

The title and content are misleading.

[Akeashar]

I was disappointed that Jack and Tali weren't available for femme shep, tho Jack's line about not being part of the "Girls-Club" and subsequent ****iness were bemusing.  Tali on the other hand, her last conversation bit about the sharing of suits is cute.  XD Especially if you ask if shes blushing.  You never know how things might develop in ME3, she might take a lot longer to corrupt. XD

And, to be honest, I was happy with Garrus as a LI.  Whether there might be something longer term than just 'Blowing off steam' would be interesting to see about doing an export character of that mix, but I enjoyed the long term comrades becoming something more.  That and his butchering of metaphors gave a great laugh.  Much love for him, even if my final ME2 export character will probably be faithful to Liara.

Jacob doesn't really interest me, and theres something... unsettling about Thane.  I can just imagine him going into his flashback mode on things hes done with Shepard while around Joker.  She'd never live it down, and they'd need to find a new pilot for the Normandy.

Now, if only they'd make Joker a LI in ME3...

(Hopefully Kasumi has a lot more depth as a squaddie than Zaeed, and potential LI when shes gets added. Have to thank Bioware for *not* having Zaeed as a romance option)

[Llandaryn]

Having recently picked up Thane (and subsequently done his loyalty quest) I can now comment and say that I'm really enjoying his character. At first I thought "Oh, assassin, probably going to be another Altair or something" but I've enjoyed all of the interactions with him so far (even though I'm not going to do his romance).

It seems to me, the best way to keep everybody happy (which is actually physically impossible to do, unless you spike everyone's drinks with LSD -- probably not a good thing for Tali/Garrus)  is to have the following:

Jacob as human LI for females. Thane/Garrus as alien LI for females. Introduce a new female character as female LI for the bi-curious/gay desiring community. (I suggest maybe bringing Liara back). Kaidan to return for those who remained faithful.

Miranda/Jack as human (and I use that term loosely) LI for males. Tali for alien LI for males. Introduce a new male character as LI for the bi-curious/gay desiring community. (I suggest maybe bringing Wrex back). Ashley to return for those who remained faithful.

To cater for the more extreme minorities amongst us, there should be a brothel, containing the following prostitutes of both genders: Elcor (possibly the 2 main lead roles in Hamlet), Hanar (Blasto being one of them, obviously), Volus (the Biotic God?), Batarian (four eyes = squishy :|) and Vorcha, maybe with an occasional Salarian or one or two progressive individuals from this 'new' race, as described by Cerberus.net

I also propose that Shepard open a petting zoo. We've already got Boo and the fish (though I suspect Boo murders the fish out of jealousy every time I leave the room... explains why they're all floating around with their mouths open) so we should be able to add Varren, a couple of those little monkey things, and a space cow or two.

I think we can all agree that my views make more sense than any other views in this thread, and that we'd all be better off with a Hanar to give us a soothing back-massage after a full day's killing (or a full day of being told that your team-mates are too busy cleaning up the engine/calibrating weapons [I'm sure those are metaphors]/developing new biological weapons/filing reports to talk to you).

Modifié par Llandaryn, 10 février 2010 - 09:27 .

[IccaRa]

I'm extremely happy with the LIs we got (Garrus and Thane especially -- don't know what I would do without my lovely green man!) and am still in a state of shock over the fact that we actually *got* them. A lot of female players agonized for months and years over this, constantly asking BioWare about the lack of alien love and expressing their dissatisfaction in the uneven gender skew that was Kaidan and Liara in ME1.



While there are plenty of players genuinely interested in things like F/F romance, such as lesbian gamers, etc, it seems to me a lot of the more vocal "OMG FEMALE LIS SUCK, MOAR F/F BIOWARE HOW COULD YOU?!" complaints are coming from straight male players who are angry that they don't get teh hawt lesbian secks with their FemSheps. This is kind of hurting the cause because it makes it seem... well, shallow. And belittling the other characters and romances isn't necessary either. It just makes enemies and divides people.



Like I said: I'm in BLISS over the malien LIs in this game and happy other ladies got Jacob too. However I do support same-sex romances for any who want them, I just don't feel like I have to turn my nose up at existing ones to do that.



I think that's where the misleading title comes in. :I