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I believe the rhetorical question is: are we obsessing over pixelated made-up romances in a video game?  I believe the resounding answer is: YES!  I believe the next logical question is: so what?  I don't live and breath ME, but I really like ME.  Heck, anybody who has enough time to come and post on this forum regularly is an uber nerd by definition.  I don't deny it.  I can even laugh at myself.  I think your petting zoo sounds like a fine idea personally.


God dammit. Why do people keep taking my posts seriously?!

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While I do think that my Femme-Shep was a little bit short-changed on the romance interest (though I am glad in a way it went nowhere so ME3 has a chance to pick up ME1's romantic subplot) I was so glad that Jack had the 'I like you but not like that' conversation with my Femme-Shep. I just wanted to pinch her cheeks and adopt her for not being yet another bisexual bad-girl stereotype. For her not to see a Femme-Shep that way was perfect.

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Llandaryn wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
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I believe the rhetorical question is: are we obsessing over pixelated made-up romances in a video game?  I believe the resounding answer is: YES!  I believe the next logical question is: so what?  I don't live and breath ME, but I really like ME.  Heck, anybody who has enough time to come and post on this forum regularly is an uber nerd by definition.  I don't deny it.  I can even laugh at myself.  I think your petting zoo sounds like a fine idea personally.


God dammit. Why do people keep taking my posts seriously?!



Smileys are golden.  :)  And I was 85% sure you were joking, hence the "I like your petting zoo" comment at the end.

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IccaRa wrote...

While there are plenty of players genuinely interested in things like F/F romance, such as lesbian gamers, etc, it seems to me a lot of the more vocal "OMG FEMALE LIS SUCK, MOAR F/F BIOWARE HOW COULD YOU?!" complaints are coming from straight male players who are angry that they don't get teh hawt lesbian secks with their FemSheps. This is kind of hurting the cause because it makes it seem... well, shallow. And belittling the other characters and romances isn't necessary either. It just makes enemies and divides people.


Why is a male gamer playing a femshep and wanting a female love interest for a given game iteration more shallow than a female gamer playing a femshep and wanting a male love interest? Both are gamers and the spectrum of their intention and motivation will cover a wide range. 

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IccaRa wrote...

I'm extremely happy with the LIs we got (Garrus and Thane especially -- don't know what I would do without my lovely green man!) and am still in a state of shock over the fact that we actually *got* them. A lot of female players agonized for months and years over this, constantly asking BioWare about the lack of alien love and expressing their dissatisfaction in the uneven gender skew that was Kaidan and Liara in ME1.

While there are plenty of players genuinely interested in things like F/F romance, such as lesbian gamers, etc, it seems to me a lot of the more vocal "OMG FEMALE LIS SUCK, MOAR F/F BIOWARE HOW COULD YOU?!" complaints are coming from straight male players who are angry that they don't get teh hawt lesbian secks with their FemSheps. This is kind of hurting the cause because it makes it seem... well, shallow. And belittling the other characters and romances isn't necessary either. It just makes enemies and divides people.

Like I said: I'm in BLISS over the malien LIs in this game and happy other ladies got Jacob too. However I do support same-sex romances for any who want them, I just don't feel like I have to turn my nose up at existing ones to do that.

I think that's where the misleading title comes in. :I


IccaRa has managed to sum up my feelings regarding this.. situation.. perfectly.

On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!

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Neria Rose wrote...

On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!


One moment - I'll put aside the roleplaying aspect and address the it's-shallow-because-omghotzlesbiansex-issue. Who *is* being shallow right now? In the same sentence you write that you'll "never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male" and yet you seem to think you've got enough of a handle on the male mind to know it boils down to hot-woman-and-woman sex. You get into it for the romance - we get into it for the titillation.

Wrong. The sex scenes are so tame that I think the whole titillation issue is just silly. A good portion of both male and female gamers enjoy building relationships with NPCs they can *relate* to. In many cases (note that I'm not touching the RP aspect) this means that a straight gamer will find it easier to relate to romancing an opposite-sex character.

I think playing a tough Femshep as a male is infinitely cooler than playing a hackneyed-rugged-Maleshep-hero with a very limited range of facial expressions and a debatable spectrum of voice-acting  emotions. It's got nothing to do with omghotlesbian action and everything to do with the fact that maleshep comes across as so very stereotyped that many people find it cringeworthy.

No one is asking to change the existing romances - if you play the game as both genders you'll notice that most NPCs share the same gender-neutral dialogue up to the romance-trigger at which point same-sex Shepard interactions stop at "talk later - kind of busy right now". The cut-off point is abrupt and arbitrary and breaks immersion.

Modifié par Policyofnoreturn, 12 février 2010 - 09:46 .


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I AGREE the female shepard gets screwed BAD. i enjoyed both Thane and Garrus and it was tough to choose between them.. then after going through the trouble of different saves and everything - MUDAH FUHKA... here is the most you will ever see.. Garrus- you touch foreheads. Thane- you kiss passionatly. Jacob-his shirt comes off, you grab him and straddle him while he lays on the bed and you start to kiss. Jacob was too easy for me. Same with Kelly. I was hoping for something great with Garrus and Thane.. but noooo what a let down :(

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On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!


That's a bit, as we say in my language, "too short through the curve." Not every male player wants romances for the OMGlesbosecks! I'm a male player, and I was disappointed that Female Shepard/Tali wasn't a romance option, because my character built a strong bond with her in the original Mass Effect.

I'm not really annoyed at Bioware for not making Tali (or another character) bisexual. But from the looks of things (I haven't reached the end of the game yet, so I could be wrong, mind!), there won't even be the possibility for a female Shepard to even express any possible feelings towards her. I'm a role player first and foremost, and the possibility for my character to at least *be* in love and *act* that way not being present, that's feeble. I'd settle for unrequited love, for instance, your love interest simply rejecting your character but still developing a strong, romance-equivalent bond would be more than enough for me.

It's not the fact that the characters aren't bisexual, it's the fact that the player simply doesn't have the option of even attempting a romance, even though it will end in failure, because the other character simply doesn't swing that way. I'll take Tali as an example. For instance, in my game right now, all that's happened is Tali's off-hand remark that she'd feel honoured to link suits some day. If a female character could have had the option, at that point, to express feelings toward her, with Tali rejecting her, but still assuring her that they have a special bond, then it would have been all good. Miranda could have had a similar dialogue exchange (and I understand Jack actually has a short exchange with Shepard concerning her heterosexuality, but even then, it's brief and without actual consequence).




I had much preferred a Shepard with a broken heart, and have the game acknowledge this fact and incorporate it in the story, for instance by adding Tali's photo to Shepard's cabin, and having a broken-hearted Shepard stare at it in the end, like with the loyal-to-the-ME1-romance ending, only with a sad undertone instead of a positive one.

Hell, I'd even preferred it over an actual romance.

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El Stormo wrote...

On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!


That's a bit, as we say in my language, "too short through the curve."


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I AGREE the female shepard gets screwed BAD. i enjoyed both Thane and Garrus and it was tough to choose between them.. then after going through the trouble of different saves and everything - MUDAH FUHKA... here is the most you will ever see.. Garrus- you touch foreheads. Thane- you kiss passionatly. Jacob-his shirt comes off, you grab him and straddle him while he lays on the bed and you start to kiss. Jacob was too easy for me. Same with Kelly. I was hoping for something great with Garrus and Thane.. but noooo what a let down :(


It's not just femShep,in fact, EVERY romance option in ME2 was a bit of a letdown.

Miranda = just dry-f*cking and all you get to see is her bra. (whooptydoo)
Jack = again, just dry-f*cking in the engine room, or cuddling on bed with her make-up running out. (again, whooptydoo)
Tali = not even seeing her face when Shepard takes her mask af and her jumping over Shepard, that's it? That's it. (yaay)

But honestly, I couldn't care less.

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Luc0s wrote...

"to
short through the curve".... te kort door de bocht...

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Close. The most important man in my country has the charisma of a bank teller and "comes from a place that isn't even a country". :D

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Miranda = just dry-f*cking and all you get to see is her bra. (whooptydoo)
Jack = again, just dry-f*cking in the engine room, or cuddling on bed with her make-up running out. (again, whooptydoo)
Tali = not even seeing her face when Shepard takes her mask af and her jumping over Shepard, that's it? That's it. (yaay)

But honestly, I couldn't care less.

But who cares about the actual "sex" scenes? The dialogue's where it's at - which is again why I'd prefer a rejected, broken-hearted Shepard over a Shepard who can't express feelings because the devs didn't program her to.

Modifié par El Stormo, 03 mars 2010 - 07:06 .


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IccaRa wrote...

I'm extremely happy with the LIs we got (Garrus and Thane especially -- don't know what I would do without my lovely green man!) and am still in a state of shock over the fact that we actually *got* them. A lot of female players agonized for months and years over this, constantly asking BioWare about the lack of alien love and expressing their dissatisfaction in the uneven gender skew that was Kaidan and Liara in ME1.

While there are plenty of players genuinely interested in things like F/F romance, such as lesbian gamers, etc, it seems to me a lot of the more vocal "OMG FEMALE LIS SUCK, MOAR F/F BIOWARE HOW COULD YOU?!" complaints are coming from straight male players who are angry that they don't get teh hawt lesbian secks with their FemSheps. This is kind of hurting the cause because it makes it seem... well, shallow. And belittling the other characters and romances isn't necessary either. It just makes enemies and divides people.

Like I said: I'm in BLISS over the malien LIs in this game and happy other ladies got Jacob too. However I do support same-sex romances for any who want them, I just don't feel like I have to turn my nose up at existing ones to do that.

I think that's where the misleading title comes in. :I

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Luc0s wrote...
It's not just femShep,in fact, EVERY romance option in ME2 was a bit of a letdown.

Miranda = just dry-f*cking and all you get to see is her bra. (whooptydoo)
Jack = again, just dry-f*cking in the engine room, or cuddling on bed with her make-up running out. (again, whooptydoo)
Tali = not even seeing her face when Shepard takes her mask af and her jumping over Shepard, that's it? That's it. (yaay)

But honestly, I couldn't care less.

You can't say the romances are a let down purely because the sex scenes aren't graphic enough for you.

Surely your not one of those people who plays the romances purely for the 5 second sex scene?

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El Stormo wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

"to
short through the curve".... te kort door de bocht...

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Dutch?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Close. The most important man in my country has the charisma of a bank teller and "comes from a place that isn't even a country". :D

Join us, and together we will rule the Galaxy as Father and Son. You know the rebellion was a bad idea in the first place.

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Vanaer wrote...
Join us, and together we will rule
the Galaxy as Father and Son. You know the rebellion was a bad idea in
the first place.

Rebellion? If there's anything I like, it's
piling TIE Fighters aboard Star Destroyers and
blowing up Rebel scum!


GodWood wrote...

You can't say the romances are a let down
purely because the sex scenes aren't graphic enough for you.

Surely
your not one of those people who plays the romances purely for the 5
second sex scene?



Exactly - I agree with this:

it seems to me a lot of the more vocal "OMG FEMALE LIS SUCK, MOAR F/F BIOWARE HOW COULD YOU?!" complaints are coming from straight male players who are angry that they don't get teh hawt lesbian secks with their FemSheps.

and that's a shame. There is legitimate cause for complaint concerning the limitations of the romance systems, but there's no point bashing the ones already in place. Personally, like I said, I think it's a missed opportunity that romances with the 'wrong' gender are locked out instead of ending in rejection for the player.

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Gotta disagree, I think femshep's choices this time around are a lot better, to be honest. At least Jacob isn't all "luv me pwetty pwetty pwease!!!" (/Kaidan). I've only done one playthrough in ME1 as femshep where I romanced Kaidan, and regreted it, because he just came off as to pushy. Heck, I can't remember a single conversation with him where he didn't try to lead you somewhere you might not have wanted to go. This time around, I feel like I have more control over who I want to pursue. Jacob just seems a lot more cool and charismatic, and he doesn't twist your arm into wanting to be with him. This is just my opinion, mind you, just felt like sharing.

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I don't think we got screwed so much as I don't understand the choices.



We get the dying alien (Thane), the fanboy (Garrus, sorry Garrus fans I was hoping for a better romance out of him too), the cold fish (Samara), or Kaiden Mk. 2 (Jacob). I'd have thought Jack would be an option, or even Tali, but both are no-go. Not to mention that while every Asari in the game seems willing to hit on FemShep there's no love from the crew (aside from Kelly, kind of. Still not sure that she isn't the soft touch to compliment Miranda's firm).



Not that the MaleSheps came out all roses. Tali? Awesome. Jack? Pretty ok. Miranda? Eh...not a fan myself. Samara? Still a cold fish. Fairly sure Thane could swing both ways, but then it could just be because he reminds me of a humorless Zevran.



You know who really gets screwed (or not, in this case, har har) are the Krogans and Salarians. No love for Wrex, Grunt, or Mordin. Sure, you can have Quarians or Turians that will give you a rash; you can have biotics who would break a lesser being; you can even attempt at "Embracing Eternity" (though it kills you), but no quads for you. XD

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Mordin didn't get "screwed", though. He has the most hilarious "romance" dialogues in the game, whether it involves him or some other alien.



As a male player I was quite happy with two of the FemShep romances - Garrus' was funny, Thane's was touching. Jacob remained as boring as ever.

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I'd have to disagree a little. If you compare the choices for male Shep in ME2, they aren't much more in terms of personality and looks. Personally speaking, I was really happy when they threw Garrus in for LI, since I liked him so much in the first game. I wasn't so sure about Thane, but in the end I found him very captivating from a female perspective (though he does seem creepy at first). Honestly I had trouble choosing between the two. Too bad the cut scenes with them were so disappointing!!! I hope they bring them both back for ME3. Jacob was just 'meh', like Kaidan.

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As a female playing a female: did not want.
Jacob: I had no interest (though he seemed like a nice guy) and it got way too flirty way without warning, I was terrified of talking to him for the first part of the game. "W.T.F., mate?" Eventually I figured out how to cement the Friends path and the buddy-hug near the end made me smile.
Thane: Well...at least he was humanoid? The whole memory thing was a cool aspect of his character from a 3rd party perspective, but actually dealing with it just seemed freaky-deaky. Also, looking at his character model, the texture of his skin didn't look even close to appealing to touch in more than a scientific way. Also, head plates. Did not touch.
Garrus: ...what the hell? ****'s just ****ed up now. He's a bug/bird alien! An awesome one as a character, but it's still too close to bestiality for any amount of comfort for me.

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ColeMR wrote...

As a female playing a female: did not want.
Jacob: I had no interest (though he seemed like a nice guy) and it got way too flirty way without warning, I was terrified of talking to him for the first part of the game. "W.T.F., mate?" Eventually I figured out how to cement the Friends path and the buddy-hug near the end made me smile.
Thane: Well...at least he was humanoid? The whole memory thing was a cool aspect of his character from a 3rd party perspective, but actually dealing with it just seemed freaky-deaky. Also, looking at his character model, the texture of his skin didn't look even close to appealing to touch in more than a scientific way. Also, head plates. Did not touch.
Garrus: ...what the hell? ****'s just ****ed up now. He's a bug/bird alien! An awesome one as a character, but it's still too close to bestiality for any amount of comfort for me.

Uh...I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also, implying that Garrus isn't the best female LI, what is this i don't even

I always see people complaining about Femshep's lineup, but according to my poll, people who are actually dissatisfied are a vast minority. Only people who prefer Jacob are rarer.

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Policyofnoreturn wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!


One moment - I'll put aside the roleplaying aspect and address the it's-shallow-because-omghotzlesbiansex-issue. Who *is* being shallow right now? In the same sentence you write that you'll "never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male" and yet you seem to think you've got enough of a handle on the male mind to know it boils down to hot-woman-and-woman sex. You get into it for the romance - we get into it for the titillation.

Wrong. The sex scenes are so tame that I think the whole titillation issue is just silly. A good portion of both male and female gamers enjoy building relationships with NPCs they can *relate* to. In many cases (note that I'm not touching the RP aspect) this means that a straight gamer will find it easier to relate to romancing an opposite-sex character.

I think playing a tough Femshep as a male is infinitely cooler than playing a hackneyed-rugged-Maleshep-hero with a very limited range of facial expressions and a debatable spectrum of voice-acting  emotions. It's got nothing to do with omghotlesbian action and everything to do with the fact that maleshep comes across as so very stereotyped that many people find it cringeworthy.

No one is asking to change the existing romances - if you play the game as both genders you'll notice that most NPCs share the same gender-neutral dialogue up to the romance-trigger at which point same-sex Shepard interactions stop at "talk later - kind of busy right now". The cut-off point is abrupt and arbitrary and breaks immersion.


Very well said. I completely agree with you.

I'm a guy and i always play the female Shepard for various reasons. Most are mentioned in the quoted post. But it's just generally more interesting to play the female heroine than the standard pale dude like in every other space or military game. 

But playing the female Shepard doesn't require a perfect understanding of the female psyche. It's about dialog choices and shooting people, not helping real-life people in the marriage or give shopping advice ;)

I find it interesting though to play the female avatar and experience being flirted at as a female and generally assume the female role in the rare cases where the gender matters in the game anyway. It's refreshing and nice.

In that light i would like to try both male and female LI's and see what's happening. I liked the tension with Garrus, even though i didn't consider him a LI, more like a buddy (the game suggests it that way, too. It's not so much about love but about having a fun time together). But yeah, i developed emotionally deeper relationships with female characters. But i honestly think its because they have more interesting backgrounds or are nicer to talk to the way their personalities work. And in my case i want the LI with the crew mate that i like the most. I'd enjoy a flirt with Mordan immensly. He's just too cool... 
Generally, i think ME is not the place to go for hawt scenes. They are short and need a lot of "work" to get to. If you feel like watching any content like this for its own sake there are so many more convenient ways. 

Bottom line: i, as a male player, would like to be able to date female crewmembers with my female Shepard, IF the crewmembers are more interesting or likable than their male counterparts. And yeah, they definitly are.

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SimonTheFrog wrote...

Policyofnoreturn wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

On my end, I'll say it's shallow if it's coming from straight male players because it's not about roleplaying FemShep, genuinely considering her feelings as a woman (which guys will never get, they don't have the brain chemistry, just like I'll never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male =p), and responding accordingly. It's just about them getting their rocks off with omgzhawtlesbianz!!


One moment - I'll put aside the roleplaying aspect and address the it's-shallow-because-omghotzlesbiansex-issue. Who *is* being shallow right now? In the same sentence you write that you'll "never be able to climb inside of and fully understand the mind of a male" and yet you seem to think you've got enough of a handle on the male mind to know it boils down to hot-woman-and-woman sex. You get into it for the romance - we get into it for the titillation.

Wrong. The sex scenes are so tame that I think the whole titillation issue is just silly. A good portion of both male and female gamers enjoy building relationships with NPCs they can *relate* to. In many cases (note that I'm not touching the RP aspect) this means that a straight gamer will find it easier to relate to romancing an opposite-sex character.

I think playing a tough Femshep as a male is infinitely cooler than playing a hackneyed-rugged-Maleshep-hero with a very limited range of facial expressions and a debatable spectrum of voice-acting  emotions. It's got nothing to do with omghotlesbian action and everything to do with the fact that maleshep comes across as so very stereotyped that many people find it cringeworthy.

No one is asking to change the existing romances - if you play the game as both genders you'll notice that most NPCs share the same gender-neutral dialogue up to the romance-trigger at which point same-sex Shepard interactions stop at "talk later - kind of busy right now". The cut-off point is abrupt and arbitrary and breaks immersion.


Very well said. I completely agree with you.

I'm a guy and i always play the female Shepard for various reasons. Most are mentioned in the quoted post. But it's just generally more interesting to play the female heroine than the standard pale dude like in every other space or military game. 

But playing the female Shepard doesn't require a perfect understanding of the female psyche. It's about dialog choices and shooting people, not helping real-life people in the marriage or give shopping advice ;)

I find it interesting though to play the female avatar and experience being flirted at as a female and generally assume the female role in the rare cases where the gender matters in the game anyway. It's refreshing and nice.

In that light i would like to try both male and female LI's and see what's happening. I liked the tension with Garrus, even though i didn't consider him a LI, more like a buddy (the game suggests it that way, too. It's not so much about love but about having a fun time together). But yeah, i developed emotionally deeper relationships with female characters. But i honestly think its because they have more interesting backgrounds or are nicer to talk to the way their personalities work. And in my case i want the LI with the crew mate that i like the most. I'd enjoy a flirt with Mordan immensly. He's just too cool... 
Generally, i think ME is not the place to go for hawt scenes. They are short and need a lot of "work" to get to. If you feel like watching any content like this for its own sake there are so many more convenient ways. 

Bottom line: i, as a male player, would like to be able to date female crewmembers with my female Shepard, IF the crewmembers are more interesting or likable than their male counterparts. And yeah, they definitly are.


To add to this, I am also a male gamer who tends to play the female leads in Bioware's games.  I think a tough woman kicking ass and saving the world is pretty cool.  I romance the characters I find most interesting as well, and don't necessarily worry about their gender.  In Dragon Age my first character (a female city elf) romanced Lelianna.  However, I'm playing through as a female human noble now and I plan to do the Alistair romance because I think that fits her character better.  Eventually I'll play through as a male blood mage (so I can be bad), and probably will romance Morrigan.

In Mass Effect I've only done one playthrough of both ME1 and ME2.  I romanced Liara with my femshep.  If I was interested in titilation and omg girl-on-girl action, I could have called Kelly up to my room after the mission was over.  I didn't.  Why?  Because I genuinely enjoyed the femshep-Liara romance and wanted my Shep to stay true to Liara.  I think it fits her character and I like the story better that way.

So am I being shallow because I romanced females with female characters in both games? 

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Agree.

enormousmoonboots wrote...
Uh...I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also, implying that Garrus isn't the best female LI, what is this i don't even

Oh, it does.

Hey, you're free to do what you like.  I'm just giving my input. 

...You know you can't even make out with him, right?  He has no lips.  It is physically impossible.  To me that is a non-starter; a fail before even getting out of the starting gate.  Hell, in real life I'll cross people off as prospects if their lips are too thin or relatively non-existant.  It's just not fun.  So yeah, turians have zero sexual appeal to me.  Still look badass though.


enormousmoonboots wrote...
I always see people complaining about Femshep's lineup, but according to my poll, people who are actually dissatisfied are a vast minority. Only people who prefer Jacob are rarer.


Fine and dandy, but ultimately irrelevant to my feelings on the matter.

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Bestiality is sex with animals. Not people who have animal-like traits/features. Otherwise I'm sure Wolverine wouldn't be a vastly popular character with the ladies.