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[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

I would be fine with tali denying my Shepard, because I don't take the romances that seriously.  It's just part of the story, it was not meant to be and my Shepard would have had to move on.  There is more to this game for me than the LIs, they just add a bonus.

So you honestly wouldn't complain on the forum if Tali wasn't a love interest.  OK, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.  However, you know others would do this.  Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

[ERJAK2]

Naltair wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...
This is the only reason I'm still talking about this. We stayed quiet between ME1 and ME2 and got nothing while both Tali and Garrus are LI, I figure if I make enough noise the same thing will happen for me as did for the Tali/garrus fans. 

I don't like it, but I'm not the one who set the precedent.

What is it that you are looking for?  I am sorry I must have missed this.

I see what you did there.

[Naltair]

I play for the story, I only speak on behalf of the story and the notion that the story is somehow wrong or must be fixed is insulting to me. So yes I do voice my opinion in that regard. And yeah please take my word for it, I am not a vocal fan fiction Tali writing fan, I find her character very well done but it is because I find the narrative of Mass Effect as a whole very intriguing.

I would be just as voiceful if someone wanted to make Liara only for one gender, as laughable as that sounds. Or if someone said Samara is wrong we should be able to romance her. I would be against that too. I don't think a retcon works, now if they want to open the door in ME3 by all means go for it. But it just seems silly to go back and change what they could have done from the start.

I see that the same as clamoring for Ash to be bi, or Kaidan, or any other major character change.

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Naltair]

ERJAK2 wrote...
I see what you did there.

It was actually an honest question.

[Nautica773]

jlb524 wrote...
So you honestly wouldn't complain on the forum if Tali wasn't a love interest.  OK, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.  However, you know others would do this.  Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I still think its ridiculous to have Tali as a romance... have you seen those feet! And those hands! You don't even know what's behind that face mask!
But, to each their own. 

[wako58]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Sorry, I may be mistaken here because I only tried to romance her once with a paragon shep and my recollection was that she was a matron and past that stage of her life.  I don't recall any mention of the possibility of an Ardat-Yakshi.  You were just going to sleep with her..there wasn't any indication she planned to have your children.

The matron stage is when an asari has lots of children and raises her family.

Samara would be in the Matriarch stage if those years were "past her".

I stand corrected on the appropriate title for the stage in her life but my point still stands.  That is the response I received from her in my charaters attempt at romance with her.

[Naltair]

Nautica773 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So you honestly wouldn't complain on the forum if Tali wasn't a love interest.  OK, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.  However, you know others would do this.  Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I still think its ridiculous to have Tali as a romance... have you seen those feet! And those hands! You don't even know what's behind that face mask!
But, to each their own. 

It's shocking different people like different things I know.

[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

I play for the story, I only speak on behalf of the story and the notion that the story is somehow wrong or must be fixed is insulting to me. So yes I do voice my opinion in that regard. And yeah please take my word for it, I am not a vocal fan fiction Tali writing fan, I find her character very well done but it is because I find the narrative of Mass Effect as a whole very intriguing.

So, you just think the story BW presents us with is awesome no matter what, even if it's utter crap?  You're not open to any critiques of it? 

There's actually a lot of complaints about many aspects of ME2's story (the way the ME1 character reunions were handled is one, some have critiqued the final boss fight and said the boss was 'cheesy', some have critiqued having to work with Cerberus, some have critiqued 'RoboShep', etc.).  Hopefully you post in all those thread defending the story BW chose to tell as well as the ones asking for same sex romance.

[Maria Caliban]

amrose2 wrote...

Play a male shepard?

I've played male Wardens, but I think male Shepard is too large a leap for me.

[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So you honestly wouldn't complain on the forum if Tali wasn't a love interest.  OK, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.  However, you know others would do this.  Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I still think its ridiculous to have Tali as a romance... have you seen those feet! And those hands! You don't even know what's behind that face mask!
But, to each their own. 

It's shocking different people like different things I know.

I know.  But it seems certain people aren't allowed to ask for what they want without getting attacked on these forums.

Modifié par jlb524, 06 février 2010 - 05:54 .

[Nautica773]

Naltair wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So you honestly wouldn't complain on the forum if Tali wasn't a love interest.  OK, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.  However, you know others would do this.  Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I still think its ridiculous to have Tali as a romance... have you seen those feet! And those hands! You don't even know what's behind that face mask!
But, to each their own. 

It's shocking different people like different things I know.

Indeed. I don't understand, but if it makes them happy, all the power to them. I don't have to romance Tali... I just wish the damnable dialogue wheel was more explicit in what Shepard is going to says. Almost got in a stealth romance again.

[DeathCultArm]

Well it doesn't make everyone else happy, making 30 topics everyday about. You notice it's always the femshep complainers...always...

[tmp7704]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Link to samara video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdkm9QnGSLQ

That's a very cool scene, from story standpoint. It makes for some solid drama and it fits with Samara's character to have strength to turn it down despite her internal conflict. Of course if someone really wanted to have that relationship then it sucks for them, but... overall i'm rather glad they went this route rather than make it another romance option. Much like i'm glad Mordin gets to pre-emptively turn Shepard down too, although that one simply because the whole notion (and the way he goes about it) was hillarious.

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...
Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I want to address this directly, as I have tried to state so many times I have nothing against the actual same sex relationship it's just the idea that this is fixing a problem, or a glitch, or that this is the way it should be that annoys me.  It's the "hints" that it could be which are taken way out of context, like suit linking or even the paragon hug interrupt for Tali.

That I take issue with.  Even when I propose an idea for a DLC character that can fill that need, then there is the fact they want their specific character.  Or they claim they should make every LI bisexual, to make it easier which is just not good for the story.  There is no easy solution to this, and I just feel I need to express that since most of the posts are just self promoting desires...  but it's human nature and I understand.  

I would be more active in other similar threads but it just so happens, surprise, surprise that it is usually female + female relationships that crop up the most.  I won't even get into that but there is usually very little solidarity behind promoting male + male relationships... just the one they want.  Then hide behind being equal when all they want is their specific choice.

Rant over, but yeah...

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I play for the story, I only speak on behalf of the story and the notion that the story is somehow wrong or must be fixed is insulting to me. So yes I do voice my opinion in that regard. And yeah please take my word for it, I am not a vocal fan fiction Tali writing fan, I find her character very well done but it is because I find the narrative of Mass Effect as a whole very intriguing.

So, you just think the story BW presents us with is awesome no matter what, even if it's utter crap?  You're not open to any critiques of it? 

There's actually a lot of complaints about many aspects of ME2's story (the way the ME1 character reunions were handled is one, some have critiqued the final boss fight and said the boss was 'cheesy', some have critiqued having to work with Cerberus, some have critiqued 'RoboShep', etc.).  Hopefully you post in all those thread defending the story BW chose to tell as well as the ones asking for same sex romance.

One statement covers my whole feeling on the whole story, yeah to actually cover what I feel would take more time then I care to spend.  I know there are problems, I tend to ruminate over them internally.  I am not against your same sex romances... I don't really care, I only care about trying to inject some character integrity into the conversation and not just hey guys, Jack is so hawt I should be able to bone her as my female Shepard.  

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Would you continually jump into those threads voicing your disagreement with their opinoions like you do with the ones asking for a same-sex romance?

I want to address this directly, as I have tried to state so many times I have nothing against the actual same sex relationship it's just the idea that this is fixing a problem, or a glitch, or that this is the way it should be that annoys me.  It's the "hints" that it could be which are taken way out of context, like suit linking or even the paragon hug interrupt for Tali.

That I take issue with.  Even when I propose an idea for a DLC character that can fill that need, then there is the fact they want their specific character.  Or they claim they should make every LI bisexual, to make it easier which is just not good for the story.  There is no easy solution to this, and I just feel I need to express that since most of the posts are just self promoting desires...  but it's human nature and I understand.  

I would be more active in other similar threads but it just so happens, surprise, surprise that it is usually female + female relationships that crop up the most.  I won't even get into that but there is usually very little solidarity behind promoting male + male relationships... just the one they want.  Then hide behind being equal when all they want is their specific choice.

Rant over, but yeah...

So...are you going to answer the question posed?  I understand the issues you have with these threads, but would you react the same to seeing a bunch of threads complaining about a lack of Tali romance, using similar reasoning used by those that complain about lack of same sex romance?

[DeadRed1488]

To all the gay romance people, please, this topic has been done to death. If the character wasn't intended to be that way by the writers, then the character won't be that way. Not everyone in the universe is bi. Also, OP, what game were you playing? The femshep romance options seem awesome. I'm a guy, but the thane romance was moving. And Garrus is an awesome character... period.

[Naltair]

I thought I did answer the question but yes if I felt I had something to say sure? I had no idea I had to justify my posting. I am not being offensive, or attacking anyone, and I try to explain my ideas as clearly as I can.

I am not against same sex relationships, just the idea that blank should be so change them to be. Because that is what I want. Not so much because I think it would be better for the story overall but because it suits my playstyle.

Modifié par Naltair, 06 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...
So...are you going to answer the question posed?  I understand the issues you have with these threads, but would you react the same to seeing a bunch of threads complaining about a lack of Tali romance, using similar reasoning used by those that complain about lack of same sex romance?

What do you mean by lack of a Tali romance?

[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

One statement covers my whole feeling on the whole story, yeah to actually cover what I feel would take more time then I care to spend.  I know there are problems, I tend to ruminate over them internally.  I am not against your same sex romances... I don't really care, I only care about trying to inject some character integrity into the conversation and not just hey guys, Jack is so hawt I should be able to bone her as my female Shepard.  

Again, there are other threads that need an injection of 'character integrity' into their discussion....do you post in them? 

You seem to target same sex romance threads.  And don't tell me that's b/c there are so many, because that's not true.  This is the first one I've seen in weeks.

[Faerlyte]

I have issues with this topic in general because of the title, which seems to indicate that the Femshep getting screwed in the ME2 LI department is a fact, not an opinion.

I loved the LIs, they were miles ahead of ME1, and there was a lot more to choose from. I got everything I wanted. If someone isn't pleased, they shouldn't go making a conceited topic like this stating an opinion as fact because that's not true. Some people aren't happy and that's their prerogative, but don't roll me up into the same category, because I am pleased with the LIs.

Supporting one's theory with superficial insults is unbecoming too. I base my opinions of people on their merits, not their appearance.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 06 février 2010 - 06:07 .

[DeathCultArm]

DeadRed1488 wrote...

To all the gay romance people, please, this topic has been done to death. If the character wasn't intended to be that way by the writers, then the character won't be that way. Not everyone in the universe is bi. Also, OP, what game were you playing? The femshep romance options seem awesome. I'm a guy, but the thane romance was moving. And Garrus is an awesome character... period.

There you go...

[jlb524]

Naltair wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So...are you going to answer the question posed?  I understand the issues you have with these threads, but would you react the same to seeing a bunch of threads complaining about a lack of Tali romance, using similar reasoning used by those that complain about lack of same sex romance?

What do you mean by lack of a Tali romance?

It's a hypothetical question.  If Bioware did not make Tali romanceable in ME2, we all know there would be hundreds of threads complaining about it.  Would you earnestly post in these threads in the same manner that you post in the threads where people complain about lack of same sex romances?

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

One statement covers my whole feeling on the whole story, yeah to actually cover what I feel would take more time then I care to spend.  I know there are problems, I tend to ruminate over them internally.  I am not against your same sex romances... I don't really care, I only care about trying to inject some character integrity into the conversation and not just hey guys, Jack is so hawt I should be able to bone her as my female Shepard.  

Again, there are other threads that need an injection of 'character integrity' into their discussion....do you post in them? 

You seem to target same sex romance threads.  And don't tell me that's b/c there are so many, because that's not true.  This is the first one I've seen in weeks.

There is at least a new one a day.  I actually came into this one because I saw posters that I recognized.  For me these are the more interesting threads.  Maybe that is odd to you, and I jump into story threads but those tend to be very subjective and just become opinion fests.  I find this an interesting discussion because it brings in real world situations, also they tend to be the least structured and usually lack solid arguments.

In the end I am not really sure what the point is unless you want to say, "You just like to cause trouble."

I really don't I just like converse on a topic I find interesting and seems to get a disproportionate amount of topics, the LIs in general.

[Nautica773]

Naltair wrote...
I am not against same sex relationships, just the idea that blank should be so change them to be. Because that is what I want. Not so much because I think it would be better for the story overall but because it suits my playstyle.

To be fair, though, just because they romance one gender in one game doesn't mean they can't romance another in a sequel. It would be like saying that Tali shouldn't be a romance in 2 because she wasn't a romance in 1. If the character specifically said they weren't interested in that, I can understand (like Jack saying she's not a member of the 'girl's club'). Otherwise, you can let the femsheps dream about their Tali romance no matter how slim it may actually be.