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[birddogcof]

Here is a guide I found while just browsing the internet on Dragon Age related things. It isn't bad and answers a lot of questions that I see people asking.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/920668/58960


If this was already posted on these forums, sorry for wasting your time.

~~Bird~~

[dkjestrup]

The guide is well done. The information is all true, and pretty good. Problem is, you can tell he meant for the guide to be long, when there really isn't much to write about one particular build lol.

[Timortis]

I don't know why all these DW builds are either dual daggers, or dual large weapons, when large weapon+dagger is a very viable option, and in my personal opinion a very good one. You get full damage on attacks like Cripple, and no large weapons I know of have +30% crit like Rose's Thorn, so the increased damage you get on your mainhand crits makes up for the smaller damage from the off-hand weapon in specials like Punisher. You also get a decent attack speed, slower than 2 daggers but still quite fast and much better than double swords.

[soteria]

Never mind.

Modifié par soteria, 06 février 2010 - 06:07 .

[dkjestrup]

Timortis wrote...

I don't know why all these DW builds are either dual daggers, or dual large weapons, when large weapon+dagger is a very viable option, and in my personal opinion a very good one. You get full damage on attacks like Cripple, and no large weapons I know of have +30% crit like Rose's Thorn, so the increased damage you get on your mainhand crits makes up for the smaller damage from the off-hand weapon in specials like Punisher. You also get a decent attack speed, slower than 2 daggers but still quite fast and much better than double swords.

I think a lot of people don't really consider it. I find that I more damage with Momentum + Berserk + Dual Striking and poisons/runes/spells etc. than I do with attacks like Flurry, Punisher or Cripple. The point of Dual Fullsized, in my opinion, is for Whirlwind and Dual Weapon Sweep, both of which are benefitted by using Dual Fullsized.

To be fair, I haven't really tried what you suggest much. It just seems that the advantage of using Daggers on a Warrior is that you can tank with high dex, without hurting your DPS. Using fullsized weapons means you get the full 1.0 damage multiplier.

Wouldn't you end up doing more dps with a Fullsized weapon than a dagger on a high strength build, because of the multiplier? 

You make a good point, and we need a thread like Discobirds one on Rogues for Warriors lol.

[mosspit]

Well dual full-sized weapons and dual daggers represent 2 extremities in playstyle. Sword/dagger is like a go-between. Its just that extremes generally garner the most attention.

[Timortis]

Well, if you look at the numbers on Discobird's thread, and compare the DPS of Cunning sword+axe vs Cunning axe+dagger, you'll see that everything else being equal, axe+dagger comes ahead by a large margin. You can replace the Rogue bonuses from Exploit Weakness etc with Berserk and it would pretty much come down to the same thing for Warriors. Of course, Warriors don't crit 100% like the theoretical always backstabbing Rogue in Discobird's calculations, so maybe a 30% crit modifier is not as valuable, but that's where the 5% crit chance on Rose's Thorn comes in, it's still better than the alternatives. Not to mention, 30% is very big in attacks like Punisher where you crit with both weapons, and it blows any sword build out of the water in Cripple. Now, DW Sweep doesn't crit, so yes, you'll do more damage with 2 full size weapons but with Whirlwind, your crits will be bigger with Rose's Thorn, and Whirlwind crits more than normal with Bravery bonuses. And once again, 5% crit chance on a weapon is very good for a Warrior, since Warriors have much lower crit chance than Rogues, even when Rogues aren't backstabbing.

And Whirlwind has a restrictive cooldown, you can use it once, at most twice in a fight. DW Sweep, you'll use maybe three times. The rest of the time, you're using other attacks, all of which are better with Rose's Thorn. The crit in Riposte is bigger too. Not to mention, you can add 6 more points to strength, because you only need 30 dex, which is like 2.5 more damage on your mainhand when you're dual wielding, and you save on a talent point.

Also, the thing with DW is, that when you're using two large weapons, that 36 points you have in dex, more with items, is completely wasted in terms of damage. That's why when you have a dagger in your off hand, the dagger penalty is not actually that bad, because your total attribute modifier, while multiplied by .42, is more than 30 points higher than the attribute modifier for the large weapon you're using.

Modifié par Timortis, 06 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[dkjestrup]

I'm going to have to try that. Sadly, with me being on PS3, I'm going to have to wait a while before I really use dagger builds, because it would lose that bonus from dex.

[Ash_VII]

Nice guide same stats as my DW swords user