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[RamsenC]

The Widow is what makes the soldier a power house class, so picking the Revenant is less than optimal imo.



Vindicator is also my favorite AR.

[RubberMan93]

Vindicator

[Coldcall01]

Just_mike wrote...

Which is better and why? 

I prefer Revenant for closer work, and use the sniper rifles for longer range targets. Just make sure you have th right ammo in the Revenant and it does crazy damage with headshots.

[Squallmerlin]

I use the vindicator, But I also spend more time using the powers menu to pause combat and consider my options. I have yet to go up to HC or insanity but I am quite impartial to the BR. For a more full-auto like feel I like the SMG. Cryo ammo+tempest = frozen husks

[Omega_Spectre]

The names of some of the assualt rifles like the Revenant aren't familiar to me. Are they only available to Soldier classes?

[mundus66]

Vindicator has to little bullets. For any class but the soldier its great, since they have a submachine gun. For soldier i would stick with pulse (or collector rifle) and get the widow, that rifle is beast.

[Looy]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

The names of some of the assualt rifles like the Revenant aren't familiar to me. Are they only available to Soldier classes?

It's the uber assault rifle. Yes only soldiers can get it.

[Hoffburger]

Revenant barely does more DPS than the Vindicator assuming every round hits and is a headshot. This never happens because the Vindicator is basically a sniper rifle and the Revenant is a shotgun. If you burst fire the Revenant then the Vindicator does more damage. I did the calculations in another thread but basically in the same time it takes the Revenant to unload its whole magazine on full auto, the Vindicator only does about 500 less damage.



If you fire the Revenant on full auto and can get headshots every time then yes, it does more damage. If you have to burst fire the Revenant and still can't get headshots every time like the Vindicator, then it's a pointless upgrade.



The Widow always does more dps than the Viper, so just go with that.

[CMD-Shep]

Revenant LMG is fantastic. It does pretty good damage and is accurate enough when fired in bursts. Steady fire and the barrell climb will ruin any chance of hitting anything and that is the only REAL limitation that it has. Plus, It has ammo...TONS OF AMMO.



The Vindicator is the most powerful AR in the game, but that power is seriously offset by it's super low ammo capacity and personally, I find the 3 round burst to be a hindrance if you get bum-rushed as it really limits your ability to just pelt your foes with slugs.



I like the Collector AR for it's shield shredding ability and it's accuracy as well. It lacks punch, but it's high ROF allows you to deliver a lot of slugs at your target in a very short period of time. This is all done in a relatively "tight" grouping all things considered. It's ammo capacity is somewhere in the mid-range which is not too bad.



I don't know much about the Avenger since I never really used it except for the first mission. The impression I got from it was high ROF, fairly accurate will a high ammo cap, but lacking stopping power.



The ultimate weapon?

An AR version of the Carnifex Hand Cannon.

The idea alone makes me drool...

[Freyzer]

revenant for collector missions
vindicator for other missions

revenant is badass if you are a soldier, though, b\\c with adrenaline rush you can aim it much easier

Modifié par Freyzer, 07 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[Mr.Skar]

Off topic, but since we are already comparing the Vinidcator to something, how does it stack up against the Collector AR? From what little use I have made of it it's way more accurate, has a smaller amount of ammo, and fires in bursts. Collector is less accurate and holds more clips, but what are the numbers (since I know the PC gamers can figure it out)?

[Malthurakesh]

Gamefaqs has a chart comparing the stats of the different weapons. The Collector assault rifle does half the damage per bullet but you can carry about three times the ammo. It also has about half the rate of fire. Keep in mind that while holding down the trigger of a burst-fire weapon will fire a burst, wait, and fire another burst, clicking like a madman gives you a much better rate of fire with burst weapons and semi-auto weapons.

Modifié par Malthurakesh, 07 février 2010 - 04:19 .

[Mr.Skar]

Malthurakesh wrote...

Gamefaqs has a chart comparing the stats of the different weapons. The Collector assault rifle does half the damage per bullet but holds about three times the ammo. It also has about half the rate of fire. Keep in mind that while holding down the trigger of a burst-fire weapon will fire a burst, wait, and fire another burst, clicking like a madman gives you a much better rate of fire with burst weapons and semi-auto weapons.

Thanks for that Gamefaqs heads up, gonna have to check that out. Not being able to see the stats of these guns has been a minor annoyance, glad it's cleared up somewhere.

[Apollo1450]

i absolutely love the revanent...as someone said before, once you get it out of your head to use the ar for everything and start using the sniper rifle for long range, the revanent becomes an absolute animal at close to medium range...don't even have to burst it really just keep control of the recoil and keep it on the bad guy....with heavy concussion to bring down barriers and inferno ammo in the revanent everything melts away so quickly...



plus the viper does plenty damage at long range

[Korsriddare]

Revenant, by far. If I want to snipe, I will use the other snipers instead. Far better damage potential especially against masses of enemy, and with sufficient accuracy at medium~close range.



Not sure if Infiltrator can get it, but I will rather use Widow with the infiltrator, what with having cloak and sniper adrenalin.

[Bass of Spades]

CMD-Shep wrote...

Revenant LMG is fantastic. It does pretty good damage and is accurate enough when fired in bursts. Steady fire and the barrell climb will ruin any chance of hitting anything and that is the only REAL limitation that it has. Plus, It has ammo...TONS OF AMMO.

The Vindicator is the most powerful AR in the game, but that power is seriously offset by it's super low ammo capacity and personally, I find the 3 round burst to be a hindrance if you get bum-rushed as it really limits your ability to just pelt your foes with slugs.

My thoughts exactly, saved me the "effort" of typing it all out, heh.

[blank1]

The Vindicator would be the best AR in the game if it didn't have so little ammo. The Revenant ends up being the best because it has a massive magazine and lots of spare ammo, as well as doing more damage per shot than any other AR that isn't the Vindicator. It does what an AR should do -- give you close/medium range suppressive and kill power. If you want to kill something from a distance, there's a sniper rifle.

[casedawgz]

blank1 wrote...

The Vindicator would be the best AR in the game if it didn't have so little ammo. The Revenant ends up being the best because it has a massive magazine and lots of spare ammo, as well as doing more damage per shot than any other AR that isn't the Vindicator. It does what an AR should do -- give you close/medium range suppressive and kill power. If you want to kill something from a distance, there's a sniper rifle.

QFT on the ammo thing. I'd use the vindicator a lot more if I could regularly keep it loaded.

[implodinggoat]

Freyzer wrote...

revenant for collector missions
vindicator for other missions

revenant is badass if you are a soldier, though, b\\\\c with adrenaline rush you can aim it much easier

That's a good piece of advice.  Assuming one gun is always superior is over simplifying.

The Revenant is superior against really big enemies that don't demand accuracy (YMIR mechs, Scions, Praetorians, etc.) enemies that charge or continually advance against you (Krogan, LOKI Mechs, etc.) and against large charging swarms of enemies like husks, FENRIS mechs or varren.  Its also superior in situations where you have a time limit since its a more aggressive weapon than the vindicator.

The Vindicator is best against more defensive enemies who prefer to take cover and use the terrain to their advantage including mercs (other than Krogan), Collectors, Geth (except really big ones like Primes).  

So the Revenant is more effective against a wide variety of enemies; but the Vindicator is more effective against the most common enemies in the game.

Additionally if you have your soldier speced out as a tank with a focus on defensive abilities (shocktrooper, hardened adrenaline boost, barrier, etc.) then the Revenant is superior since you can take more damage and hence getting closer to the enemy isn't as dangerous.

If you're speced out to deal more damage quickly then the Vindicator is probably better since you can throw down an obscene amount of damage real fast with repeated headshots.  This also requires you to make heavy use of adrenaline burst since you'll need to maximize your accuracy or else you'll run out of ammo.

Ultimately its a matter of preference.  Do you prefer the surgeon's knife or the sledgehammer?

[implodinggoat]

casedawgz wrote...

blank1 wrote...

The Vindicator would be the best AR in the game if it didn't have so little ammo. The Revenant ends up being the best because it has a massive magazine and lots of spare ammo, as well as doing more damage per shot than any other AR that isn't the Vindicator. It does what an AR should do -- give you close/medium range suppressive and kill power. If you want to kill something from a distance, there's a sniper rifle.

QFT on the ammo thing. I'd use the vindicator a lot more if I could regularly keep it loaded.

On Veteran I was almost always able to keep my Vindicator loaded.  Now that I'm playing on insanity I'll have to see if the lack of ammo becomes a major issue.  At the very least the limited ammo demands you use all your guns.

[NYG1991]

i use the revanent. personally i think it would be cool with a high powered single shot carbine assault rifle. i like the viper on soldier but scoping is kind of a hinderance at closer range. oddly eniugh i would probably prefer the vindicator be single shot rather than burst fire since it does good damge per round. also single shot semi auto vindicator would be more efficient ammo user. kinda like the hand cannon w/ 24 round clip

[Killian113]

I stick with the Avenger for most levels. Now if the Vindicator had say around 200 extra round then it would be my go to rifle. The ammo is the part that keeps me from using it very often. Otherwise a good gun.

[Makoto SFG]

Hoffburger wrote...

Revenant barely does more DPS than the Vindicator assuming every round hits and is a headshot. This never happens because the Vindicator is basically a sniper rifle and the Revenant is a shotgun. If you burst fire the Revenant then the Vindicator does more damage. I did the calculations in another thread but basically in the same time it takes the Revenant to unload its whole magazine on full auto, the Vindicator only does about 500 less damage.

If you fire the Revenant on full auto and can get headshots every time then yes, it does more damage. If you have to burst fire the Revenant and still can't get headshots every time like the Vindicator, then it's a pointless upgrade.

The Widow always does more dps than the Viper, so just go with that.

Time is bullets people.

A lethal soldier is a well-armed soldier.  Keep your 12 shot Widow.
 
I'll stick with my rapid-reflex, semi-auto assault Viper with scope thank you.

Even with Adrenaline Rush, you're going to miss a shot sometimes.  A miss with the Widow is an awfully expensive one.  Right now I'm using the Vindicator w/ disruptor ammo to wail on shields, and then swapping to my Viper w/ inferno rounds to decapitate guys in 2-4 shots.  I use an off-hand ammo pouch, and my Soldier can pop off 64 rounds worth of thermals before clicking empty.

That's roughly 32 - 16 kills before I even have to consider grabbing more thermals.  Compared to 12 kills with a Widow and that's only IF you manage to land all 12 shots on targets and only IF they kill in one shot. 

Once I get the assault rifle accuracy upgrade I will be switching to the Revenant however, because, unlike our friend Hoffburger here, I know how to shoot a fully automatic assault rifle in this game.  And no matter which way you slice it, the Revenant's ammo capacity, combined with its magazine size, combined with its damage and accuracy upgrade simply runs circles around a Vindicator, as far as total combat efficiency goes.

My two cents...

Modifié par Makoto SFG, 07 février 2010 - 07:37 .

[Khavos]

Makoto SFG wrote...

And no matter which way you slice it, the Revenant's ammo capacity, combined with its magazine size, combined with its damage and accuracy upgrade simply runs circles around a Vindicator, as far as total combat efficiency goes.

My two cents...

The Vindicator is more accurate and does more damage than the Revenant.

So yes, the Revenant's ammo capacity and magazine size do run circles around the Vindicator.  Its damage and accuracy do not. 

[Sovereign z]

So the Revenant machine gun is only available to the soldier class?