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#51
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Like the most people said , revenant is very good at close range after you get accuracy upgrade , i completely used revenant at my first playthrough once i obtained it.on lower difficulties its very lethal and makes your job easy.

Vindicator on the other hand is a deadly weapon with quick aims (especially headshots) but its less effective against crowded enemies or big ones like pretorians-ymir mechs etc.

Since revenant comes in later levels of the game,and most common enemies you meet after that point are usually large groups or resillient ones.thus it makes vindicator null and void with its limited ammo capacity and low rate of fire.which makes standard ARs a viable option in the missions you dont want to use revenant,for my 3rd playthrough i chose collectors rifle and im satisfied with it so far.

Modifié par Azath79, 07 février 2010 - 08:34 .


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Im conflicted to which gun I should choose.



On 1 hand,my playstyle dictates that my main offensive weapon to be a surgical tool.+1 Vindicator

My range of confort is Mid-long range. +1 Vindicator

on the other, my gaming instincts tells me to cover all bases. +1 Revenant

and an empty gun is virtually useless +1 Revenant

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With the Assault Rifle accuracy upgrade, the Revenant becomes a very viable choice for mid-range engagement, and since you're a soldier, carrying the Viper with your ammunition of choice should pretty much seal the deal for eliminating your long-range threats.

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Why not just use them both for different missions that you think would require one or the other? There's no rule that says you have to use the same assault rifle every mission. On another note, as a soldier you really don't need the widow, it only becomes a viable option when: a) you're in a boss fight, or B) when there's only like 12 enemies (granted that you make 1 shot kills, which doesn't always happen on insanity). The Revenant/Vindicator is the more optimal choice for most all situations. If you want similar power from a sniper then just stick with the mantis (I think it only does like 100 pts of damage less than the widow at base).

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Revnant is most likely the most versitile gun in the game, high damage, good rate of fire, moderately effective against all defenses, as with all assault rifle slot weapons, a very large clip, and good reserve ammo. the only thing really lacking is the godly accuracy of the vindicator. I found that the Revnant is almost the only gun I use, exept for the viper sniper rifle for ranges that far exceed the revnant's effective range.

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After playing on insanity with my soldier (at IFF mission now) I can safely say that I prefer the revnant over the Vindicare. The Rev's ammo capacity, excellent synergy with ammo mods, large clip size and insane spray and pray capacity are life savers.



on any difficulty below insanity I'd say it's even.

on insanity it's the revenant - burst firing against a dozen husks doesn't cut it.

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Pffft. I find you people saying the Widow's only for long range funny. You've obviously never tried a Widow Charge before. Sprint in to melee range and blow away the enemy with 1 shot. Works wonders in emergencies.

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Hans-Erik wrote...

Pffft. I find you people saying the Widow's only for long range funny. You've obviously never tried a Widow Charge before. Sprint in to melee range and blow away the enemy with 1 shot. Works wonders in emergencies.

The problem with that is the Widow only has one shot per clip, if you miss, you're totaly dead.

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I use the Vindicator until I get the Accuaracy upgrade. Then I use the Revenant.Because it is awesome. I also air it with Armor-piercing ammo, and it kills stuff pretty quickly.

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Firesteel7 wrote...

Hans-Erik wrote...

Pffft. I find you people saying the Widow's only for long range funny. You've obviously never tried a Widow Charge before. Sprint in to melee range and blow away the enemy with 1 shot. Works wonders in emergencies.

The problem with that is the Widow only has one shot per clip, if you miss, you're totaly dead.


How do you miss with Adrenaline Rush? 

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Makoto SFG

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Khavos wrote...

Firesteel7 wrote...

Hans-Erik wrote...

Pffft. I find you people saying the Widow's only for long range funny. You've obviously never tried a Widow Charge before. Sprint in to melee range and blow away the enemy with 1 shot. Works wonders in emergencies.

The problem with that is the Widow only has one shot per clip, if you miss, you're totaly dead.


How do you miss with Adrenaline Rush? 


You'd be surprised.

Modifié par Makoto SFG, 07 février 2010 - 09:52 .


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Hans-Erik wrote...

Pffft. I find you people saying the Widow's only for long range funny. You've obviously never tried a Widow Charge before. Sprint in to melee range and blow away the enemy with 1 shot. Works wonders in emergencies.

That wouldn't be a wise choice on insanity. See vanguard.

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 I prefer the Revenant, it's great against boss enemies, and when fired in bursts it's accurate enough. Full auto is great when fighting husks, or big stuff like YMIR's

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They are both great guns, however I would say that until you get the accuracy upgrade stick with the Vindicator.

#65
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Imo a better way to ask is which weapons is better? Widow/Vindicator or Any sniper/LMG? So far, I've found Widow/Vindicator combo to be better in terms of accurate long range damage output. If I go with LMG, I can mop up mid to close range combatants while using my squads' abilities and snipers (like Garrus/Legion) and my own powers on long range targets. Just my anecdote anyways.

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Makoto SFG wrote...

Hoffburger wrote...

Revenant barely does more DPS than the Vindicator assuming every round hits and is a headshot. This never happens because the Vindicator is basically a sniper rifle and the Revenant is a shotgun. If you burst fire the Revenant then the Vindicator does more damage. I did the calculations in another thread but basically in the same time it takes the Revenant to unload its whole magazine on full auto, the Vindicator only does about 500 less damage.

If you fire the Revenant on full auto and can get headshots every time then yes, it does more damage. If you have to burst fire the Revenant and still can't get headshots every time like the Vindicator, then it's a pointless upgrade.

The Widow always does more dps than the Viper, so just go with that.


Time is bullets people.

A lethal soldier is a well-armed soldier.  Keep your 12 shot Widow.
 
I'll stick with my rapid-reflex, semi-auto assault Viper with scope thank you.

Even with Adrenaline Rush, you're going to miss a shot sometimes.  A miss with the Widow is an awfully expensive one.  Right now I'm using the Vindicator w/ disruptor ammo to wail on shields, and then swapping to my Viper w/ inferno rounds to decapitate guys in 2-4 shots.  I use an off-hand ammo pouch, and my Soldier can pop off 64 rounds worth of thermals before clicking empty.

That's roughly 32 - 16 kills before I even have to consider grabbing more thermals.  Compared to 12 kills with a Widow and that's only IF you manage to land all 12 shots on targets and only IF they kill in one shot. 

Once I get the assault rifle accuracy upgrade I will be switching to the Revenant however, because, unlike our friend Hoffburger here, I know how to shoot a fully automatic assault rifle in this game.  And no matter which way you slice it, the Revenant's ammo capacity, combined with its magazine size, combined with its damage and accuracy upgrade simply runs circles around a Vindicator, as far as total combat efficiency goes.

My two cents...


Unlike our friend Makoto here, I have good aim and don't miss becaused Adrenaline Rush makes it so easy to get headshots on enemies that if you miss you shouldn't be playing shooters. Also unlike our friend Makoto, I have done the math and know that the Vindicator does only slightly less DPS than the Revenant and that's assuming the Revenant can hit all rounds on the head like the Vindicator. This is an unrealistic scenario because the Revenant has a fairly large cone of fire on full auto. Even when fired in bursts it's not very accurate, definitely not accurately enough to get headshots consistently. Also, if you fire the Revenant in bursts, you might as well be using the Vindicator because firing the Revenant in bursts significantly lowers your DPS.

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I guess that the general thought going around is that the Revenant and Vindicator are two sides of the same coin. Use the Vindicator if you want to kill things at distance. Use the Revenant if you want to kill things ad mid range.



Personally, my experience with the Revenant has been amazing. A defining moment for me was when Harbinger took control right in front of me and (panicking) I turned on Adrenaline rush and unloaded my Revenant into him. Much to my surprise, the Revenant killed the Harbinger before it even finished it's transformation. You can't do that with the Vindicator.

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There's something to be said for playstyle.
After finishing the game twice with my Infiltrator using the Widow, I plan on taking the LMG/Viper combo on my Soldier. Not because it's better, but because I need a change of playstyle. Long range sniping is fun, but I don't think I can take another 40 hours of it.  Playing aggressively at medium/close range should be a nice change of pace.

Also, there are times when relying on headshots isn't feasible:
-When being rushed by Varen or Husks from multiple directions.
-Bursting down that Heavy Mech or Geth Destroyer how turned away from you to kill  your dumb teammate.

Times like those, the sheer dps of the LMG is nice.

Modifié par WillieStyle, 08 février 2010 - 12:23 .


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I always choose the specialized gun based on what class I'm playing. Revenant compliments a soldiers play-style the best, versatile and has a ****e-load of ammo. Recoil is not to bad, you have a sniper rifle for long range anyway.



Emptying a clip of Revenant fire into a heavy mech at close range almost feels like cheating...

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kennyme2 wrote...
Personally, my experience with the Revenant has been amazing. A defining moment for me was when Harbinger took control right in front of me and (panicking) I turned on Adrenaline rush and unloaded my Revenant into him. Much to my surprise, the Revenant killed the Harbinger before it even finished it's transformation. You can't do that with the Vindicator.


You can also do that with a widow, i did it multiple times a session with my first infiltrator. In my second I took the AR instead of the Widow, and I used the vindicator (with all mods) all the way through the collector base. The only time I ran out of amo was when I fought the Reaper at the end. If you can aim and have the damage mods, there is no reason to use any other AR/BR.

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Hoffburger wrote...

Makoto SFG wrote...

Hoffburger wrote...

Revenant barely does more DPS than the Vindicator assuming every round hits and is a headshot. This never happens because the Vindicator is basically a sniper rifle and the Revenant is a shotgun. If you burst fire the Revenant then the Vindicator does more damage. I did the calculations in another thread but basically in the same time it takes the Revenant to unload its whole magazine on full auto, the Vindicator only does about 500 less damage.

If you fire the Revenant on full auto and can get headshots every time then yes, it does more damage. If you have to burst fire the Revenant and still can't get headshots every time like the Vindicator, then it's a pointless upgrade.

The Widow always does more dps than the Viper, so just go with that.


Time is bullets people.

A lethal soldier is a well-armed soldier.  Keep your 12 shot Widow.
 
I'll stick with my rapid-reflex, semi-auto assault Viper with scope thank you.

Even with Adrenaline Rush, you're going to miss a shot sometimes.  A miss with the Widow is an awfully expensive one.  Right now I'm using the Vindicator w/ disruptor ammo to wail on shields, and then swapping to my Viper w/ inferno rounds to decapitate guys in 2-4 shots.  I use an off-hand ammo pouch, and my Soldier can pop off 64 rounds worth of thermals before clicking empty.

That's roughly 32 - 16 kills before I even have to consider grabbing more thermals.  Compared to 12 kills with a Widow and that's only IF you manage to land all 12 shots on targets and only IF they kill in one shot. 

Once I get the assault rifle accuracy upgrade I will be switching to the Revenant however, because, unlike our friend Hoffburger here, I know how to shoot a fully automatic assault rifle in this game.  And no matter which way you slice it, the Revenant's ammo capacity, combined with its magazine size, combined with its damage and accuracy upgrade simply runs circles around a Vindicator, as far as total combat efficiency goes.

My two cents...


Unlike our friend Makoto here, I have good aim and don't miss becaused Adrenaline Rush makes it so easy to get headshots on enemies that if you miss you shouldn't be playing shooters. Also unlike our friend Makoto, I have done the math and know that the Vindicator does only slightly less DPS than the Revenant and that's assuming the Revenant can hit all rounds on the head like the Vindicator. This is an unrealistic scenario because the Revenant has a fairly large cone of fire on full auto. Even when fired in bursts it's not very accurate, definitely not accurately enough to get headshots consistently. Also, if you fire the Revenant in bursts, you might as well be using the Vindicator because firing the Revenant in bursts significantly lowers your DPS.


The fact that the Vindicator is the highest DPS AR in the game isn't really up for debate. However, the DPS of the Revenant isn't a far cry away, especially considering the 0.625 second delay between Vindicator bursts, while you can pulse the the Revenant for a constant stream of accurate fire (Post accuracy upgrade, of course). The advantages of the Revenent are that it has 80 shots in a magazine, and 480 in reserve -- massive ammo + high damage > even more massive damage + low ammo.

If Soldiers had SMG's, the Vindicator would be a bit more useful. Even then, you have the Viper and Handcannon, which are both high damage and high accuracy. With a Vindicator, the Soldier is missing a key piece of equipment which can handle loads of trash mobs without runnig you dry on ammo. Your Heavy Pistols and Snipers should be saved for tougher enemies -- running a Vindicator forces you to use up these other weapons' ammo, since it runs dry so easily.

Also, the Vindicator is pointless on Hardcore and Insanity. Your ammo reserves are perpetually low, it's quite annoying. You have far more potential damage in a Revenant's ammo capacity than in the Vindicator's.

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Part of the deal with the Revenant is that you really have to train yourself to the weapon.  As it states it is a Light Machine Gun, not an assault rifle.

I can head-shot with the best of them, but I'll still stick with Revenant.
[Preface, I play on a laptop and the touch-pad versus external mouse makes some of this easier]

Revenant's recoil is most prodigious during the initial shots.  If you aim at a mid range opponent's feet and spray, the recoil will drag it up their body toward their shoulders/head.  WIth a little practice you can learn to keep the crosshairs in that region and put 90% of your shots into that target.  [Especially with ARA upgrade)

Practice this enough to get the feel of it, you can start with the weapon aimed at their head/shoulders and with proper mouse-work keep it there until they go down.  At longer ranges the weapon's tendancy to throw about every 5th shot to the side will cause you to miss a few, but you can still keep enough fire on them with the mouse-work to quickly take an enemy down.  And if they get close, just keep slinging lead, tungsten, unobtanium or whatever these things use for ammo until it quits moving.

One has to remember that the Revenant is an LMG not an AR and has to be treated accordingly.  Since 2nd playthrough something I have done that works very well is use a team of Grunt and Zaeed (or Garrus).  Use Revenant on Shepard, Vindicator on Grunt, and Geth Rifle on Zaaed/Garrus.  The combination of all three allows you to decimate just about anything if you focus fire on it.  Barriers, Shields, Armor, none last very long against that combo.

[Sorry about wall of text]

About the best thing you can do with the Revenant at long range is not even burst fire, but use it for what LMG's are meant for.  Spray with suppressing fire to make the enemies duck for cover, [which if you've leaned to control the recoil you'll put enough rounds on them to do it] and move your squad up to either kill them, or suppress them for you.  (Granted at LR is when I switch to Viper if I can't get anyone to advance and live through it)

Granted there is something to be said for play-style, my issue with the Vindicator is that its inability to lay a cloud means you kind of have to make well-aimed shots with it.  If I am going to bother using AdRu etc for those shots, I'd rather just use a Sniper Rifle.  Also with Vindicator if you are rushed by Husks and Abominations you're better served by switching to Shotgun, whereas with Revenant you can simply walk backwards and mow 'em down.


Revenant Composite: 9/10
Vindicator Composite: 8/10

Modifié par Liquid_Unicron, 10 février 2010 - 07:39 .


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After getting the Accuracy upgrade for the Assault Rifle, The Revenant is almost as accurate (The crosshair) as a non-upgraded Vindicator. And the Vindicator is as accurate as a pistol. I dont need that much accuracy, so I guess i'll be going with the Revenant! =D TY guys and gals, and jellyfishes!

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Neither. M-8 with Accuracy Upgrade.

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def the BR



the revenant is more powerful and yet its power is unfounded cuz its inaccurate as HELL! the only down side to the Vindicator is its lack of ammo and yet ammo isnt hard to find