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[AdmrlAckb4rFTW]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

sbear3737 wrote...

just adding to the useless banter, you guys realize it's "cuttlefish" and not CUDDLEfish

Well...I...erm...uh...that is to say...  Yes. Fine, "cuttlefish" it is.  I think "cuddlefish" sounds pretty sweet though...And I completely understand what you mean by saying it was in an embryonic state, however, it seems to me the final product couldn't looked too far different from what was killed at the end of ME2.  I mean, after they completed "Reaper-man"  (love the name btw)  were they going to give him a giant cuttlefish suit to fly around in?

I see your point. I'm not sure what it is with Bioware and cuttlefish. Probably a homage to Cthulhu/Lovecraft.

Wait. 

"Cuddlefish"
"Lovecraft"

Maybe we should stick with "cuddlefish" 

[Schneidend]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

IMO it took away from the game quite a bit. Here I am, running around the Collector base, I look up, and what do I see? I giant terminator...I half expected to bump into John Connor during the boss fight.

Would you have rather looked up to see a fully grown reaper that you would have no possible means of killing, and then promptly become engulfed in a clyindrical avalanche of molten tungsten you couldn't possibly avoid as it fired one of its main guns at you?

I thought not.

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

@Admrl



Hahaha, they do seem to be all about the Lovecraft. Perhaps the final "super Reaper" boss is going to be the granddaddy "cuddlefish" himself: giant floating Cthulhu. I would have preferred Cthulhu at the Collector base, though...instead of a big old T-850 torso

[AdmrlAckb4rFTW]

My mind didn't quite make it to Terminator during my initial reaction. I saw a large, metallic human skeleton made from people-juice.



Basically: Oh. ****.

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

Schneidend wrote...

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

IMO it took away from the game quite a bit. Here I am, running around the Collector base, I look up, and what do I see? I giant terminator...I half expected to bump into John Connor during the boss fight.

Would you have rather looked up to see a fully grown reaper that you would have no possible means of killing, and then promptly become engulfed in a clyindrical avalanche of molten tungsten you couldn't possibly avoid as it fired one of its main guns at you?

I thought not.

So now you are actually defending Reaper-man?  I loved Mass Effect 2, but that really, really seemed silly to me...

[Schneidend]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

So now you are actually defending Reaper-man?  I loved Mass Effect 2, but that really, really seemed silly to me...

I thought that fight was awesome, personally. Not very challenging, but the feel of that whole situation was great. It was an abomination that had to be destroyed, an abomination that could be the future of all humanity if Shepard fails.

Besides, how else are you going to fight a reaper and win? Need I remind you that their main guns shoot beams of molten tungsten?!

[Garuda One]

CDClock wrote...

I mean, come on. Who in God's name thought that would be a good idea? 

[Koross]

I think its weird that most people went through the "Meh, its Terminator" path when you saw the reaper embryo.



When I first saw it I went like "What the hell?" to "That's a reaper?" and "HOLY SH--! ITS A HUMAN REAPER?!?" and then suddenly everything clicks. Why they are harvesting humans ... why they need specifically human genetic material ... everything clicked. The whole ME2 storyline is revealing why the REAPERS do what they do to every civilization. Which is to create more of them with the pure genetic material of races that they deemed worthy. Sometimes it doesn't happen (ie the Protheans). But this time, they are doing it ... and its based on humans! Its kinda humbling. Of all the races that are present at that time, the Reapers judged humanity to be worthy.



Personally its one of those moments that is similar to when Vader told Luke that he was his father. The kind of moments you went "HOLY SH--! THAT CAN'T BE ... BUT IT ALL FITS!"

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

Schneidend wrote...

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

So now you are actually defending Reaper-man?  I loved Mass Effect 2, but that really, really seemed silly to me...

I thought that fight was awesome, personally. Not very challenging, but the feel of that whole situation was great. It was an abomination that had to be destroyed, an abomination that could be the future of all humanity if Shepard fails.

Besides, how else are you going to fight a reaper and win? Need I remind you that their main guns shoot beams of molten tungsten?!

You're not exactly picking up what I'm laying down here.  I have a specific problem with the way the embryonic Reaper was depicted.  I have no problem with actually fighting an embryonic Reaper.


P.S. Yes, I freaking realize that it shoots molten tungsten, you really seem obsessed with that fact...<_<

Modifié par Cobalt-Kilgannon, 10 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[Schneidend]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

You're not exactly picking up what I'm laying down here.  I have a specific problem with the way the embryonic Reaper was depicted.  I have no problem with actually fighting an embryonic Reaper.

Ah. Well, I have no problem whatsoever with how it was depicted. I mean, it was a deformed, monstrous, metallic version of a skinless human being. It looked sufficiently threatening, while at the same time it looked like something that wasn't "finished," and still needed to be injected with more nightmare fuel before it was ready to devour worlds. I'd have preferred something closer to the concept art, but the final product looked okay.

P.S. I'm obsessed with that fact because it's terrifying and awesome. It's terrifyingly awesome. If I could project molten tungsten at stuff, I'd do it constantly.

Modifié par Schneidend, 10 février 2010 - 08:36 .

[Ibaru88]

if they had it written into the story that the reapers are to made from the biological "goo" of other races, and the "goo" somehow makes the reaper look like the race it was originally (that's the one thing that bugs me really...), and that one such reaper is being made out of humans... the design window for that is pretty small... i mean, it's a giant robot that is supposed to look like a human... no matter how good your ideas are, or how creative you are... if you make a robot (human)skeleton, it is going to remind somebody of the T-800 (Terminator...). And I think they did a pretty good job with it. Bastard looked mean...







........ "gooooooo~"

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

Koross wrote...

I think its weird that most people went through the "Meh, its Terminator" path when you saw the reaper embryo.

When I first saw it I went like "What the hell?" to "That's a reaper?" and "HOLY SH--! ITS A HUMAN REAPER?!?" and then suddenly everything clicks. Why they are harvesting humans ... why they need specifically human genetic material ... everything clicked. The whole ME2 storyline is revealing why the REAPERS do what they do to every civilization. Which is to create more of them with the pure genetic material of races that they deemed worthy. Sometimes it doesn't happen (ie the Protheans). But this time, they are doing it ... and its based on humans! Its kinda humbling. Of all the races that are present at that time, the Reapers judged humanity to be worthy.

Personally its one of those moments that is similar to when Vader told Luke that he was his father. The kind of moments you went "HOLY SH--! THAT CAN'T BE ... BUT IT ALL FITS!"

Okay....do me a favor here and explain to me exactly what "pure genetic material" is.  The whole thing sounds silly to me.  What is this "pure genetic material" they claim I have?  Is it our raw DNA?  Because a "bucketful" of DNA would be quite a feat.  Considering DNA is ridiculously small.  It would take way more humans than have ever lived to get a couple "gallons" of DNA...

[Ibaru88]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

Okay....do me a favor here and explain to me exactly what "pure genetic material" is.  The whole thing sounds silly to me.  What is this "pure genetic material" they claim I have?  Is it our raw DNA?  Because a "bucketful" of DNA would be quite a feat.  Considering DNA is ridiculously small.  It would take way more humans than have ever lived to get a couple "gallons" of DNA...

it's the "goo" of life.... or "life goo" if you will...

...no... nvm that...

My guess is that they need the DNA, but probably not "gallons" of it... but the most effective way to extract the most of it from one person is by some for of "Liquification" where all of the body's organs and hair and teeth... the whole shebang... can be transported easily via tubes

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

Ibaru88 wrote...

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

Okay....do me a favor here and explain to me exactly what "pure genetic material" is.  The whole thing sounds silly to me.  What is this "pure genetic material" they claim I have?  Is it our raw DNA?  Because a "bucketful" of DNA would be quite a feat.  Considering DNA is ridiculously small.  It would take way more humans than have ever lived to get a couple "gallons" of DNA...

it's the "goo" of life.... or "life goo" if you will...

...no... nvm that...

My guess is that they need the DNA, but probably not "gallons" of it... but the most effective way to extract the most of it from one person is by some for of "Liquification" where all of the body's organs and hair and teeth... the whole shebang... can be transported easily via tubes

That's my problem with the whole thing, it's all "goo" and such.  Sounds like hoodoo voodoo to me.  What I really need is a little codex entry explaining what the poop was actually going on with all that...using details and no general sounding words.  

[Rankao]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

Koross wrote...

I think its weird that most people went through the "Meh, its Terminator" path when you saw the reaper embryo.

When I first saw it I went like "What the hell?" to "That's a reaper?" and "HOLY SH--! ITS A HUMAN REAPER?!?" and then suddenly everything clicks. Why they are harvesting humans ... why they need specifically human genetic material ... everything clicked. The whole ME2 storyline is revealing why the REAPERS do what they do to every civilization. Which is to create more of them with the pure genetic material of races that they deemed worthy. Sometimes it doesn't happen (ie the Protheans). But this time, they are doing it ... and its based on humans! Its kinda humbling. Of all the races that are present at that time, the Reapers judged humanity to be worthy.

Personally its one of those moments that is similar to when Vader told Luke that he was his father. The kind of moments you went "HOLY SH--! THAT CAN'T BE ... BUT IT ALL FITS!"

Okay....do me a favor here and explain to me exactly what "pure genetic material" is.  The whole thing sounds silly to me.  What is this "pure genetic material" they claim I have?  Is it our raw DNA?  Because a "bucketful" of DNA would be quite a feat.  Considering DNA is ridiculously small.  It would take way more humans than have ever lived to get a couple "gallons" of DNA...

From my understanding basically all of the Cells in your body loose their membranes. Without the membranes all of your cells become water, Mitochondia, RNA, DNA and etc.. The water could be filtered out. or at least deduced. From the reference in the game they used nanobots to break the membranes of each cell. 

DNA contains the memory of our species (not in a Assassin's Creed way, but in a evolutionary method) and is what programs us. 

[Slice Of Bryce]

Wow, I actually thought it was a great idea, I loved it. And to tell the truth terminator didn't even remotely enter my mind when I fought it. I don't understand why making it in the shape of a human would've made no sense. If anything it shows that the reapers respect us to the point that try to assemble one of their own in our image. I can't explain how much I loved it

[Saurel]

Cobalt-Kilgannon wrote...

IMO it took away from the game quite a bit. Here I am, running around the Collector base, I look up, and what do I see? I giant terminator...I half expected to bump into John Connor during the boss fight.

It would have been better as some icky fleshy thing at least. If they had to go that way.  Since the suicide mission itself has a bit of a horror vibe to it- especially if you aren't anal and let people die.

[Anreil]

Well. If you don't like reaper-man, than perhaps in ME3 there will be reaper-volus.

Modifié par Anreil, 10 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[sos986]

if i see a reaper-bug jump in his reaper buggy (that looks like a squid) and cruise around than and only than will i be willing to accept this ending. and were you guys really so slow the punchline? when nazara told you that the reason he needed to cultivate higher intelligence beings before cutting them all down, did you really think it was beyond your comprehension?



sometimes people insult you by dumbing things down to much and thats how i feel about terminator, i understood what the sludge was for when the introduced the concept that the people were being turned into sludge.

[CDClock]

Darth Wraith wrote...

What if the "regular" Reaper look, like how Sovereign looked, is an outer shell (or vehicle) of sorts, built around a core that looks like the race on which that type of Reaper was modeled? That would explain why all the Reapers look the same even though it's stated that they were built to look like the race they wiped out.

The baby Reaper encountered inside the Collector base was big, but remember the scale of Sovereign in ME1? It was much bigger. The human Reaper would easily have fitted inside.

This is still stupid. I'm all for using humans to make Reapers but WHY DOES IT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A HUMAN SKELETON THAT IS JUST STUPID.

I miss the days where humans were n00bz to spaceflight and the galaxy.

[Collider]

Well why do the reapers look as they do? That shape can't be the most effective for space travel.

[Shahadem]

Emperor Mars wrote...

well they said that the reapers would "reproduce" based on what species they try to conquer. Considering that we can assume that the humans were the first to take on a reaper and win, and that they use a races genetic material or goo of said race, using the goo/genes of a race that beat them, to build a powerful reaper would be a decent idea.

And that is why there is exactly one Reaper body in every cut scene where you see a real Reaper and they all look alike. Except for the now dead human reaper of course  which was the only one which looked different. This also brings up another point, the real Reapers are enormous, larger than the Ascencion, however the human version isn't even the size of the original Normandy which was an ant compared to Sovereign.

[Kayldera]

Shahadem wrote...

Emperor Mars wrote...

well they said that the reapers would "reproduce" based on what species they try to conquer. Considering that we can assume that the humans were the first to take on a reaper and win, and that they use a races genetic material or goo of said race, using the goo/genes of a race that beat them, to build a powerful reaper would be a decent idea.

And that is why there is exactly one Reaper body in every cut scene where you see a real Reaper and they all look alike. Except for the now dead human reaper of course  which was the only one which looked different. This also brings up another point, the real Reapers are enormous, larger than the Ascencion, however the human version isn't even the size of the original Normandy which was an ant compared to Sovereign.

It was a larva. It was only 1/3 of it since it was little more than a head and thoracic cage. It was unfinished and I think Shepard or EDI said that they would need a LOT more human material to complete it... Do you remember the scene when you see the millions of pods in the collector's ship? That's how much material they needed. That thing was going the definitely be Adult Reaper sized. Unfortunately it happened to cross path with Shepard before that happened.

[cbutz]

Yea I didn't see terminator when I saw it. Just because it is metal and skeletal doesn't make it a terminator. Its like saying an elven archer in a fantasy story is ripping off of Lord of the Rings.
Also I speculate that what we see on the outside of the Reaper is the armor with different type of arms depending on the race (the differences are minor but differences none of the less). A little further in is where the indoctrinated races, such as Saren and the heretic geth, reside. Deep in the Reaper is the core and the Reaper itself. The Reaper would look like the race it was smoothied from.

On a side note, it would be interesting to have to fight through Harbringers outer shell and fight his inner race form to kill it. It would be funny if we reach that inner core only to find that the race he was smoothied from is....GIANT ROBOT TEDDY BEARS!


edit: Dear God I have thread Necro'd.Sorry didn't realize it, was googling the Human reaper concept art and stumbled apon the thread.

Modifié par cbutz, 09 juin 2010 - 04:53 .

[kidbd15]

I think fighting the other concept they had for the Reaper embryo, where it actually looks like a baby embryo, would have been more terrifying to see and fight... it may have made more sense too.



Injecting human DNA into some sort of Reaper embryo sac, causes it to take the form of a human, so the end result is a huge human reaper, or something that resembles humans. But then I'm guessing BioWare didn't do this either because



1) It didn't fit into their Reaper origins story, where the Reapers were initially built, not grown. And I suppose it would be difficult to also explain how machine, metal components "grow" are organics do



or



2) BioWare may have been scared of the societal blow back of killing what appears to be a human embryo in a videogame.



I don't think BioWare would be scared to do this, so I'm leaning towards option 1. Though if they did find a reasonable way to explain 1, it would have been more emotional in shooting down the embryo. Just think of how shooting something that looked like that would have pulled on your moral strings.