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[Ooga600]

Hopefully this **** gets explained in ME3. There better be a good reason for it...

[Weiser_Cain]

This is the most spoiler-rific title ever.

[JaegerBane]

Vaenier wrote...

It is wrong for a space ship. Animals are just bad designs for ships. they waste space, create unneccesary weak points, and just overall waste resources. limbs are useless on a ship. they were bad enough on soverign, a human would be even worse.

This is irrelevant. Reapers are clearly not just 'space ships'. It's like saying a bird is the wrong shape because a wasp can do the same flying with less mass.

Reapers are at least partially organic. The element of choice in design that you're alluding to does not actually exist within the confines of the story.

[Sajuro]

fogofeternity wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

My theory is that the Old Machines make at least one new of them, based on the most powerful race of that cycle. Last cycle there were the Protheans, hence the Nazara design.

Except all the Reapers apparently look the same.

The human-reaper would have made somewhat more sense if we'd had any evidence of variation among the existing Reapers, something that suggested with a little more weight that Reapers take the form of different races they assimilate.

And yeah, I know the argument about the Reapers being put into some cuttlefish shaped chassis, but I don't see any argument for *why* that should be the case, other than it's a convenient way to explain away the fact that they all look the same.

That could be from the original reaper designs made by the race that created them and they figured 'meh, why not.'

[Ashton808]

Ah yes, Human Reapers. We have dismiss that claim.

[Sajuro]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

fogofeternity wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

My theory is that the Old Machines make at least one new of them, based on the most powerful race of that cycle. Last cycle there were the Protheans, hence the Nazara design.

Except all the Reapers apparently look the same.

The human-reaper would have made somewhat more sense if we'd had any evidence of variation among the existing Reapers, something that suggested with a little more weight that Reapers take the form of different races they assimilate.

And yeah, I know the argument about the Reapers being put into some cuttlefish shaped chassis, but I don't see any argument for *why* that should be the case, other than it's a convenient way to explain away the fact that they all look the same.

That could be from the original reaper designs made by the race that created them and they figured 'meh, why not.'

Well, there is as much evidence against variation, as there is for proving it. The short clips that we've seen about them all being the same in dark space is subject to heavy interpretation, as there is no direct proof throughout the game. Just hints and visions.

The human Reaper, on the other hand, is evidence in-yo-face that they build on top of the genetic base material.

Thus the two Reapers, that we've seen, might be the "supervisors"... or just the ones whose turn to duplicate it is now. Since, based on this theory, it makes sense that they absorb more or less similar genetic materials throughout one breeding and then end up being those that we see now. Doesn't mean it's all of them.

Evidence for variation is the Canon.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The end of Mass Effect 2 felt like it was ripped right out of a Contra game.



This is what happens when Boss Fights are a necessity people. This didn't happen in HL2: Episode 2. No real boss fights. And the ending was glorious.

[Sajuro]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The end of Mass Effect 2 felt like it was ripped right out of a Contra game.

This is what happens when Boss Fights are a necessity people. This didn't happen in HL2: Episode 2. No real boss fights. And the ending was glorious.

The attack was sort of like a boss fight. If there wasn't a boss fight at the end, I would want one last section of you playing as Shepard as you escape the collector base when you arm the radiation charge or arm the self destruct. The Collector General closes down the base to keep you from escaping and you have to choose one of your remaining squadmates to go up to his room and open the base back up (they wouldn't have time to get back down so this would be ME2's sadistic choice) and you are left as Shepard to fight hordes of collectors if you got all your squadmates killed before you are killed by the explosion.

[JaegerBane]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The end of Mass Effect 2 felt like it was ripped right out of a Contra game.

This is what happens when Boss Fights are a necessity people. This didn't happen in HL2: Episode 2. No real boss fights. And the ending was glorious.

To be fair, had that ending been the ending of the entire Half Life Episode arc, it would have gone down as one of the worst endings in the history of gaming. The advantage of episodic content is that you can use cliffhangers as endings without ruining the entire storyline.

[urfubar90]

the reaper on mass effect 2 is in it's "larval" form, meaning it is still being developed. it only absorbed a few thousand humans to get it to it's current and incomplete form, eventually it would probably look similar to harbinger or sovereign, but be unique in the sense of encompassing all of humanity. as mentioned in the collector ship, the collectors were heading for earth to absorb all humans and indoctrinate the less genetically diverse species (asari, turian, quarian...). the reason why (what i presume is the case) the reapers are squidlike could be because of the need to be able to sustain travel across the galaxy and house an onboard mass effect core. they eventually evolve to not needing a planet or station to sustain themselves, but become self-sufficient in the dark space between galaxies and hibernate to, eventually, purge the galaxy of advanced life. they are kilometers long, presumably, to contain the technology and software needed to store the immense amounts of data needed in reaper physiology. my theory as to why, is the apex of evolution is the creation of technology and artificial intelligence. the reapers are the apex of flesh and machine in perfect harmony, they reap to control organic evolution, to ensure their dominance in the universe, and diversify their own race/species. it's almost as if they are a record keeper of the best branches of evolved/enlightened species, adding their stock to their own and wiping out the less genetically, technologically advanced species in the process. it mirrors the survival of the fittest to the extreme. they have done this millions of times (the universe being 13.5 billions years old, at least in the non-ficiton sense) and each are a "nation" or millions of the "fittest" sentient, organic minds of one species at one epoch of time, combined in an efficient mechanical body. organic bodies "wither and die" as sovereign put it, a machine is eternal if kept in working order. the reason they use organics is becasue of abstract though A.I. lack. organic evolution is inovative and creative, solving certain problems mechanical evolution would never be able to comprehend. in theory, if left to their own devices, humans and other species would, inevitably, become reapers anyway when evolution and technological advancement reach a critical mass and the realization of survival over extinction is preferable. the reapers completely encompass the term of surival of the fittest. when harbinger states "we are your salvation through extinction", he means that humanity is an imperfect, divided race; not worthy of transcendence to "godhood" and omnipotence the reapers posses, until humankind is combined into one superior, advanced super-being. they also fear humanity and shepard (especially) for resisting and thwarting their inevitable return. humanity and the rest of the galactic races are now a threat to their survival and control of the galaxy, surpassing their expectations of how the current races should evolve and how galactic technology is advancing. the reapers controlled through probable ignorance of the truth of their existence and purpose, only in the last moments did their "harvest" realize what was happening, but by that time it was too late, and their extinction was inevitable. humanity is a weed that has outgrown its boundaries and now they want to prune and abosrb it into their ranks, and destroy the lesser races, before their harness on organic evolution is taken from them permanently.

Modifié par urfubar90, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:35 .

[Nozybidaj]

Srau wrote...

Yeah really, flying in space using thrusters like Iron Man's armor or maybe swimming while we are at it.
If the goal was to end up with a giant sized human robot i find this utterly stupid.

Obviously he would use mass effect fields not thrusters.  It would look more like Superman flying through space than Iron Man.

[Darkon_X]

I thought the final boss was taken out of the matrix in regards as to how it got made and it looked like terminator.



FAIL.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

My impression of the human reaper was not only was it in a larval state, but that it was also the first of its kind... so there wouldn't be any other reapers that looked like it. As far as canon goes, ME2 will probably the first and last time we'll ever see a human reaper again - just 'cos, that thing was probably one-of-a-kind.



useless comment: if imitation is the highest form of flattery, then it means those reapers either really love us or really fear us, ok? kthxbai

[Inquisitor Recon]

And so, in the darkest depths of the forums, a topic long dead rose, and the masses coward before this most unholy abomination, and this was a sign of the end times.