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[Saberdark]

Have any of you considered that we just haven't seen any Reapers that don't look like squids, but they actually do exist? It's not like we've seen a ton of Reapers after all. So there very well could be Reapers shaped like other races, perhaps the squid ones are simply the most numerous.

Modifié par Saberdark, 06 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[Rubicon83]

Modifié par Rubicon83, 06 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[Rubicon83]

Rubicon83 wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

I didn't say I liked it, I'm just predicting it's going to happen. The Reapers were created by someone. You don't get random evolution from a pile of iron. 

If it is going to be based on the ME2 reveal, I suspect that Reapers were created to extend the lifespan of their creator race and were not a subservient AI revolt. 

But if they were created by the Protheans (or whatever organic race one might suggest), a theory i am not endorsing, then there must have been some sort of uprising for them to suddenly repurpose their creators and all sentient life, no matter what their original intended role was at the beginning. ... and that makes it into a geth-situation all over again. .. = tiresome

[toksikshok]

Well we learned, at least in my game, my crew was turned into "DNA pudding" for this thing. I have to assume that explains why harbinger wanted to get shepards DNA, to make the larva a super shep/reaper

[SuperVaderMan]

marshalleck wrote...

SuperVaderMan wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

There is concept art of what it may have looked like as a complete, full-fledged Reaper in the collector's edition art book.

Just FYI.

Can we get a scan of this? I'd really like to see it

Huh... well if the end-product looked like that, I guess it'd be OK...

Don't know how you'd get THAT out of the larva that was shown, but alright...

[Nautica773]

Rubicon83 wrote...
But if they were created by the Protheans, a theory i am not endorsing, then there must have been some sort of uprising for them to suddenly repurpose their creators, no matter what their original intended role was at the beginning. ... and that makes it into a geth-situation all over again. .. = tiresome

It's impossible to speculate the purpose of the Reapers due to such little information revealed about them. My best guess is that they were not designed to serve some menial task in society. Their creation may have been something more esoteric - like a growing religious zealotry over the purity and dominance of steel to flesh. Furthermore, they do not behave or act like AI but have an intelligence and sentience closer to almost every organic species presented. 

My best guess is that the Reapers were specifically designed as a way to imbue an individual or group with a form that would not age or die (easily). The veritable 'fountain of youth' if you will. 

So... no, the Reapers are not exactly like the Geth. They can't be, they differences are quite obvious. But to think that they've always existed is silly and avoids the obvious indications that they were organics that, for whatever reason, were changed into synthetics. This would also explain the seemingly incoherent desire to create husks or to supplement followers with cybernetic enhancements (ala Saren). 

[Rubicon83]

The problem is that the explanation as to why there's suddenly a massive Schwarzenegger minus skin and plus a third eye hanging from the ceiling at the end of the game, doesn't really shed any light on the story whose revelation you have fought so hard for to achieve. Its a lot of guesswork and assumptions, nothing more, and we have to wait aaaaall the way to ME 3 to finally make any sort of sense of it all.

Modifié par Rubicon83, 06 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[marshalleck]

SuperVaderMan wrote...

Huh... well if the end-product looked like that, I guess it'd be OK...

Don't know how you'd get THAT out of the larva that was shown, but alright...

I dunno. But the same could be said for looking at a month old human embryo and comparing it to an adult human.

Anyways, it has little bearing on the Terminator boss. I'm just saying the devs didn't quite envision T-800 flying through the galaxy in a Superman pose. Or maybe they do. I doubt they'll respond given the overall tone of this thread.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[BigEd420]

Emperor Mars wrote...

well they said that the reapers would "reproduce" based on what species they try to conquer. Considering that we can assume that the humans were the first to take on a reaper and win, and that they use a races genetic material or goo of said race, using the goo/genes of a race that beat them, to build a powerful reaper would be a decent idea.

So they tried to conquer Cuttlefish before? that's why they look like giant cuttlefish? Not that I'm complaining, I love Mass effect 2 <3 Best game ever, since ever. But the Human Reaper kinda reminds me of The Iron Giant

[CreepingGeth]

Saberdark wrote...
It's not like we've seen a ton of Reapers after all.

http://images1.wikia...eaper_fleet.png

[Nautica773]

Rubicon83 wrote...

The problem is that the explanation as to why there's suddenly a massive Schwarzenegger minus skin and plus a third eye hanging from the ceiling at the end of the game, doesn't really shed any light on the story whose revelation you have fought so hard to achieve. Its a lot of guesswork and assumptions, nothing more, and we have to wait aaaaall the way to ME 3 to finally make any sort of sense of it all.

Fight? I'm not making a fight, nor putting a lot of effort into this. It's basic inductive reasoning. 

And, obviously this doesn't explain T-800 but the end boss is very peculiar in a number of ways aside from looking really stupid. It would be the first recorded time that the Reapers created something before an invasion which is likely stemming from the fact that their Relay Blitzkreig plan was foiled. 

[Eshaye]

Nautica773 wrote...

So... no, the Reapers are not exactly like the Geth. They can't be, they differences are quite obvious. But to think that they've always existed is silly and avoids the obvious indications that they were organics that, for whatever reason, were changed into synthetics. This would also explain the seemingly incoherent desire to create husks or to supplement followers with cybernetic enhancements (ala Saren). 

Hold on a sec there are definate differences between the Geth and Reapers, for one Geth are purely synthetic and their minds work like math equations, Reapers are a combination of organic and synthetic, it's not explained how their minds work exactly but it is mentioned that both Reapers and Geth have hive minds, or one mind made up of many. One reaper is a nation, all geth are legion, they are one.

So they are similarities, I think the Geth are a naturally evolved synthetic life form, while the Reapers are organics that turned to technology for immortality. To me the Geth are their own race, while Reapers are 'fallen' and sickened. I'm failing at how to express what I mean but basically Reapers are a perversion and the Geth are not. 

[Rubicon83]

Nautica773 wrote...

So... no, the Reapers are not exactly like the Geth. They can't be, they differences are quite obvious. But to think that they've always existed is silly and avoids the obvious indications that they were organics that, for whatever reason, were changed into synthetics. This would also explain the seemingly incoherent desire to create husks or to supplement followers with cybernetic enhancements (ala Saren). 

I'm not saying exactly like the geth, but to propose that the reapers have their origins from simple organics.... it just has too many comonalities with the geth-story to be original and quite frankly would not make them seem all that epic anymore. It would strip them of their doomsday-image .. and i don't think Bioware wants that ^^

Modifié par Rubicon83, 06 février 2010 - 06:51 .

[Rubicon83]

Nautica773 wrote...

Fight? I'm not making a fight, nor putting a lot of effort into this. It's basic inductive reasoning. 

No ^^ you missunderstand me. i meant that as in "us, fighting through the game to reach the end" 

[SuperVaderMan]

CreepingGeth wrote...

Saberdark wrote...
It's not like we've seen a ton of Reapers after all.

http://images1.wikia...eaper_fleet.png

Oh wow, look at all those different designs...

[Nautica773]

Eshaye wrote...
Hold on a sec there are definate differences between the Geth and Reapers, for one Geth are purely synthetic and their minds work like math equations, Reapers are a combination of organic and synthetic, it's not explained how their minds work exactly but it is mentioned that both Reapers and Geth have hive minds, or one mind made up of many. One reaper is a nation, all geth are legion, they are one.

So they are similarities, I think the Geth are a naturally evolved synthetic life form, while the Reapers are organics that turned to technology for immortality. To me the Geth are their own race, while Reapers are 'fallen' and sickened. I'm failing at how to express what I mean but basically Reapers are a perversion and the Geth are not. 

There are some similarities, yes. One could draw a parallel between the Geth and Reapers, though their practices diverge quite markedly. I do think the Reapers will be played up as 'perversions' or some other such terrible deed since they are the main antagonist.

Rubicon83 wrote...
I'm not saying exactly like the geth, but to propose that the reapers have their origins from simple organics.... it just has too many comonalities with the geth-story to be original and quite frankly would not make them seem all that epic anymore. It would strip them of their doomsday-image .. and i don't think Bioware wants that ^^

True, I don't think BioWare wants to reduce their 'terror' but I find it curious that they decided to make the main enemy a synthetic. Perhaps this was done in an attempt to make them as alien to humans as possible as well as playing on some common Sci-Fi fears of murderous AI and assimilating Borg. However, being purely synthetic means they were made at some point. If they wanted the maddening fear of the unknown, they would have stayed closer to Lovecraftian designs where the antagonists are purely alien and monstrous. 

However, there's enough hints dropped through the game that I feel some explanation for their origin will be made. To do otherwise would almost be sloppy writing. It would be needlessly creating loose ends, especially if the end of the trilogy concludes with the complete destruction of the Reaper threat. If they want to create a satisfying conclusion, then the Reapers will either be completely wiped out (which will nullify any terror that they create) or will be explained in a way that reduces their ominous nature. 

[BatarianBob]

It was pretty cheesy, no way around that, but I kind of doubt that Bioware envisioned the finished version as a gigantic T-800 flying around in a Superman pose.

EDI compares it to an embryo.  Human embryo's look nothing like the finished product.

[DarthCaine]

Don't put spoilers in your title

[Vaenier]

DarthCaine wrote...

Don't put spoilers in your title

there is a spoiler warning on the forum itself.

[Eshaye]

Nautica773 wrote...

True, I don't think BioWare wants to reduce their 'terror' but I find it curious that they decided to make the main enemy a synthetic. Perhaps this was done in an attempt to make them as alien to humans as possible as well as playing on some common Sci-Fi fears of murderous AI and assimilating Borg. However, being purely synthetic means they were made at some point. If they wanted the maddening fear of the unknown, they would have stayed closer to Lovecraftian designs where the antagonists are purely alien and monstrous. 

They are not purely synthetic, that's why they need to farm organics. That alone makes them creepy as all heck. I think they will be explained too, but they may not because they are so very ancient. The explanation at the end of ME2 actually says a lot about them. 

[DarthCaine]

Vaenier wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Don't put spoilers in your title

there is a spoiler warning on the forum itself.

Yes but some thread titles appear in Recent Forum Posts, and some people still haven't finished the game and just want spoilers for some parts

[The Black Ghost]

Whoever made the design choice needs a head check. What a bad idea it was. It could have just been a normal reaper and that would have been a lot more credible.

[marshalleck]

The Black Ghost wrote...

Whoever made the design choice needs a head check. What a bad idea it was. It could have just been a normal reaper and that would have been a lot more credible.

Killing a 2km long warship with a pistol would have been credible to you?

No, that would not be a lot more credible.

[Nautica773]

Eshaye wrote...
They are not purely synthetic, that's why they need to farm organics. That alone makes them creepy as all heck. I think they will be explained too, but they may not because they are so very ancient. The explanation at the end of ME2 actually says a lot about them. 

You're right, I meant to say mostly synthetic. Pre-ME2 I had assumed Reapers were just harvesting organics for nutrients and the like. Discovering they use them for little Reaper babies wasn't too much of a shock. The fact the Reaper babies look silly, however, was. 

[Doomhams]

If you look at 3:41 in this video, , you will notic the spine. It is REALLY long, like a snake. It goes much further down than a normal human spine would. I think that this will get 'plugged into' the rest of the reaper body.