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[Archereon]

marshalleck wrote...

The Black Ghost wrote...

Whoever made the design choice needs a head check. What a bad idea it was. It could have just been a normal reaper and that would have been a lot more credible.

Killing a 2km long warship with a pistol would have been credible to you?

No, that would not be a lot more credible.

It would have been badass if you had to run along on top of the warship, maybe even while it was chasing the Normandy, to reach the core of the reaper and destroy it from the inside. 

[silhouette80]

Remember that the human reaper was in its embryonic state, not its final form. I think that the classic "cuttlefish" is a chassis that the larva eventually develops into. Of course there will be variations, but that is the template.

[marshalleck]

Archereon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Black Ghost wrote...

Whoever made the design choice needs a head check. What a bad idea it was. It could have just been a normal reaper and that would have been a lot more credible.

Killing a 2km long warship with a pistol would have been credible to you?

No, that would not be a lot more credible.

It would have been badass if you had to run along on top of the warship, maybe even while it was chasing the Normandy, to reach the core of the reaper and destroy it from the inside. 

 That would have been a repeat of the final Citadel level from ME1 mixed with a repeat of the Reaper IFF level, but okay.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[jerms510]

marshalleck wrote...

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I dunno. But the same could be said for looking at a month old human embryo and comparing it to an adult human.

Anyways, it has little bearing on the Terminator boss. I'm just saying the devs didn't quite envision T-800 flying through the galaxy in a Superman pose. Or maybe they do. I doubt they'll respond given the overall tone of this thread.

this was the first image that came to my mind when they showed the human reaper.

[Valmy]

Nautica773 wrote...

Rubicon83 wrote...
Well, its actually quite interesting. If you look closely at all those statues of the Protheans on Ilos in ME 1, you see that they didn't look like humans at all, but their upper torsos looked rather suggestively
like ... yeah, squids ...

I'm telling you, the big reveal for ME3 is going to be that the Protheans created the Reapers. Mark my words. 

That would be impossible.  The Protheans were the race that came before the current Galactic order and the reapers have supposedly done this many times...at least once before when they indoctrinated the Keepers.

[Archereon]

marshalleck wrote...

Archereon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Black Ghost wrote...

Whoever made the design choice needs a head check. What a bad idea it was. It could have just been a normal reaper and that would have been a lot more credible.

Killing a 2km long warship with a pistol would have been credible to you?

No, that would not be a lot more credible.

It would have been badass if you had to run along on top of the warship, maybe even while it was chasing the Normandy, to reach the core of the reaper and destroy it from the inside. 

 That would have been a repeat of the final Citadel level from ME1 mixed with a repeat of the Reaper IFF level, but okay.

It still would have been badass.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

and it would've been better than fighting a half finished super terminator.

[marshalleck]

jerms510 wrote...

this was the first image that came to my
mind when they showed the human reaper.

I understand. Basically I think the problem is that they overestimated the audience's intelligence and assumed a parallel would be drawn between human embryos and the final product, and human-reaper embryos and the final product.

Clearly that's not what happened. People took the Terminator impression and extrapolated it literally.

They could and probably should have presented the player with more visual cues about the human-Reaper's developmental stages. Had they simply shown some giant reaper ship on a terminal somewhere in the base displaying the anticipated final form there'd be no need for this thread or others like it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 février 2010 - 07:37 .

[supakillaii]

My theory is that the Old Machines make at least one new of them, based on the most powerful race of that cycle. Last cycle there were the Protheans, hence the Nazara design.

[fogofeternity]

supakillaii wrote...

My theory is that the Old Machines make at least one new of them, based on the most powerful race of that cycle. Last cycle there were the Protheans, hence the Nazara design.

Except all the Reapers apparently look the same.

The human-reaper would have made somewhat more sense if we'd had any evidence of variation among the existing Reapers, something that suggested with a little more weight that Reapers take the form of different races they assimilate.

And yeah, I know the argument about the Reapers being put into some cuttlefish shaped chassis, but I don't see any argument for *why* that should be the case, other than it's a convenient way to explain away the fact that they all look the same.

[Nautica773]

Valmy wrote...
That would be impossible.  The Protheans were the race that came before the current Galactic order and the reapers have supposedly done this many times...at least once before when they indoctrinated the Keepers.

Actually, the big problem with the theory is the VI on Ilos would have required being programmed with disingenuous information for no real purpose. However, I'd be surprised if they introduced a new, more ancient race to have been the Reaper's creators so near the end of the storyline. 

They may, however, completely ignore the Reapers' origins and leave that loose thread hanging. 

There are a few reasons that I suspect the Protheans though. Their 'back door' relay is of the same design as the Mass Relays throughout the galaxy. Their architecture and the like is oddly similar to the Citadel Station and Mass Relays which is curious since they should have their own developed culture by the time they explored space. Finally, they communicated telepathically via the Prothean beacons and Reapers are the only telepathic race currently known to exist. 

Modifié par Nautica773, 06 février 2010 - 07:49 .

[marshalleck]

fogofeternity wrote...

Except all the Reapers apparently look the same.

They don't all look the same. Watch the end of ME2. The Reapers all display variation of a theme.

[sedrikhcain]

the art concept book (thanks for the tip, forums) mentions that the scions and praetorians are examples of genetic/manufacturing experimentation by the reapers. Given that, and the fact that this "terminator" reaper is in larva stage, it's not a stretch to think that the finished product will be something other than what we've seen.

[mepilot]

Doomhams wrote...

If you look at 3:41 in this video, , you will notic the spine. It is REALLY long, like a snake. It goes much further down than a normal human spine would. I think that this will get 'plugged into' the rest of the reaper body.

lol!  Wonderful, a half human and half squid reaper.  Even better!

[MassEffect762]

The artbook concept of the human reaper doesn't look too bad, but the in-game model made me have contra flashbacks.

It didn't really "strike" me either way because by that point I was fully expecting something silly.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 06 février 2010 - 07:56 .

[Alien1099]

fogofeternity wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

My theory is that the Old Machines make at least one new of them, based on the most powerful race of that cycle. Last cycle there were the Protheans, hence the Nazara design.

Except all the Reapers apparently look the same.

The human-reaper would have made somewhat more sense if we'd had any evidence of variation among the existing Reapers, something that suggested with a little more weight that Reapers take the form of different races they assimilate.

And yeah, I know the argument about the Reapers being put into some cuttlefish shaped chassis, but I don't see any argument for *why* that should be the case, other than it's a convenient way to explain away the fact that they all look the same.

I suggest you take a look at th end video again. There are several types of reapers and the similar ones have variations as well.

And on that point looking at the end video there are lots of reapers of the same type. I don't get why people think they would only make 1 Reaper per cycle. More like thousands per cycle.

Modifié par Alien1099, 06 février 2010 - 08:14 .

[Nautica773]

Alien1099 wrote...
I suggest you take a look at th end video again. There are several types of reapers and the similar ones have variations as well.

No where near the variation as the human Reaper. I have a hard time seeing any differences from the video, but I haven't done a minute study of the three or four frames. If they really are different, it still doesn't explain why the human one is so... well... human. 

[supakillaii]

Perhaps the races that existed before, like the Protheans, didn't look quite so human.

And it's likely that they constructed an Old Machine, then if it was successful, built more in the Void.

[Doomhams]

Could end up looking like this maybe:

[Nautica773]

supakillaii wrote...

Perhaps the races that existed before, like the Protheans, didn't look quite so human.
And it's likely that they constructed an Old Machine, then if it was successful, built more in the Void.

I can see a large number of them not looking human, but considering the huge variation in the galactic races present, I have a hard time believe they all looked so squidish. At the very least, they should have large bizarre sections like that human torso that represents their parent race. But they don't.

[Alien1099]

Nautica773 wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...
I suggest you take a look at th end video again. There are several types of reapers and the similar ones have variations as well.

No where near the variation as the human Reaper. I have a hard time seeing any differences from the video, but I haven't done a minute study of the three or four frames. If they really are different, it still doesn't explain why the human one is so... well... human. 

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Also on the datapad that Joker hands to Shepard, the reaper on the far left is distinctly different from the other two.

Also as has been mentioned the term larva is used in game to identify the human reaper. It appeared to be much smaller (like a larva is compared ot an adult). Larval forms also vary greatly from adult forms. Not that I'm saying the reaper would grow so to speak but the rest of it would grow around it somehow.

Modifié par Alien1099, 06 février 2010 - 08:23 .

[JavHK]

Maybe the squid Reapers are all modelled on a single species over a very long time, evolution giving small variations in design. The organics being some unknown, super advanced versions of Quarians from a bajillion years ago, or something like the rachni, hive minded like Sovereign and Harbinger seem to be. If they made the Reapers in the first place, they'd have equal/similar technology to use against them (like Quarian/Geth when the Geth became sentient, 300 years and theyre both still there)



From exploring both games there's evidence of races fighting the reapers with much more advanced tech than the current squad in the citadel seem to have, with success ("inactive" Reaper you board, giant valley on Klendagon made by mass accelerator shot) This would probably lead to an extended war between Reapers and organics, so there would be a longer window for more Reapers to be built than the 2 years in the ME story.



If not, Arnie doesnt look like he's ~2km tall so there could be a generic shell built around them that looks pretty much the same on all of them.



Maybe the hanar built them and are covertly taking over the galaxy. Who knows?



I still laughed when i saw it though, lol.

[JavHK]

I also noticed a lot of wires in the 'dead' Reaper that could lead to a central room like wires lead to the larva on the Collector base, with the grown larval form inside it.

[Nautica773]

Alien1099 wrote...

Those still look like squids to me. The bottom one is also repeated in the background to the lower right of it. The human reaper looks much different than these, more so than shuffling around the glowing lights. Where are the portions that look like simians, reptilians, amphibians or anything that isn't a squid? There is slight variation here, but not to the same degree as Terminator T-800.

[marshalleck]

And how can a human possibly come from this!



Seriously folks, EDI uses the word "embryo" for a reason.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[Nautica773]

marshalleck wrote...

And how can a human possibly come from this!



Seriously folks, EDI uses the word "embryo" for a reason.

That has less specialized cells than this: http://futureupdate..../terminator.jpg

Modifié par Nautica773, 06 février 2010 - 08:47 .