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[Mephistorian]

After Jack and Miranda fight, and I choose who to side with, I can't gain the others' loyalty after. The first time I sided with Jack, and couldn't regain Miranda's loyalty. So I decided to go all the way back to before I started Jack's loyalty mission. After completing it, I sided with Miranda this time. Guess what the result was? Wasting all that time going back and replaying Jack's loyalty mission.

I was over %85 paragon before I started Jack's mission. Also, when Shepard enters Miranda's office and finds them fighting, there's a grayed-out paragon option. I'm assuming it's a glitch because on another playthrough as a renegade I didn't have any trouble.

Are there certain parameters I have to meet before I can regain Jack's loyalty? Or is it a problem with the game? If so, I hope Bioware is aware of it and decides to fix it.

[Soma Holiday]

I had the same problem and I was about 95 percent paragon and still couldn't get the option to get Miranda's loyalty back...eventually I decided she was a betch and didn't care anymore lol.



I think it's Bioware's way of making a succesful suicide mission run where everyone survives difficult on the first playthrough. I guess you can't have high enough charm/renegade points until a second playthrough...though I honestly don't know what determines who lives in the end...so, yeah. I don't know if you've beaten it though, so I won't give anything away.

[Mephistorian]

I completed my first play through as renegade. I was able to pick a renegade option that didn't cause either of them to lose loyalty. I'm pretty sure this is a problem with the game that Bioware needs to fix.

[Toranilor]

Soma Holiday wrote...

 I guess you can't have high enough charm/renegade points until a second playthrough...

From a full paragon import and "Agent" specialisation (extra Paragon + Renegade pts) I managed to paragon my way out of both of the arguments with everyone's loyalty.

[Shelondias]

I got the paragon choice and just finished my 1st.

Either it's a bug or you just don't have enough juice- probably a bug though.

Talking to each beyond the loyalty missions probably helps a lot too I think.

[challenger18]

You have to have the class specialization that gives you a boost to your paragon/renegade scores, as Toranilor mentioned. I never had a single paragon charm option blocked for because of it.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Yes, I never missed out on a Charm attempt. Invest in your class skill first. That'll give you boosts to charm/intimidate. And don't go wishy-washy on renegade/paragon. I mean at the end of the game I almost had a full bar of renegade, but I had my paragon maxed out like... a little more than half-way through. I imported my ME1 character, but still. And I chose the charm/intimidate boosting class specialization.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 06 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[Undergrid]

I'm a soldier class with resonably high paragon (just inside the last last chunk of the bar), but didn't get the paragon choice when talking to Miranda after siding with Jack. I had the combat mastery specialisation that gives a 70% paragon bonus so I tried retraining to shock trooper which has 100% bonus. That was enough for me to get Miranda's loyalty back.

[Schneidend]

As others have stated, your class skill is your friend. It dramatically boosts the gain of Paragade points. If you max it out, just about any persuasion is within your grasp.

[macrocarl]

So does this mean, even though I ticked Miranda off and lost her loyalty, can I respec and get her loyalty back?

[EliteWorldSaver]

Does it really matter if I do not gain back Miranda's loyalty? After all, I still have Jack's loyalty. And why is she called Jack anyway?

[The Governator]

EliteWorldSaver wrote...

Does it really matter if I do not gain back Miranda's loyalty? After all, I still have Jack's loyalty. And why is she called Jack anyway?

cuz she's butch.  I just don't care for jack at all.  If I hated any character, it's jack.  I even like TIM better.

[CptPatch]

EliteWorldSaver wrote...
Does it really matter if I do not gain back Miranda's loyalty? After all, I still have Jack's loyalty. And why is she called Jack anyway?

There's a Bring 'Em Back Alive (or something of the sort) Achievement available, provided ALL party members survive the Grand Finale.  HOWEVER, to accomplish that, _all_ of the party members must be Loyal.  If not, one of the Normals will die, either holding the line or while escorting the recovered crew back to the ship.

[Invalidcode]

CptPatch wrote...

EliteWorldSaver wrote...
Does it really matter if I do not gain back Miranda's loyalty? After all, I still have Jack's loyalty. And why is she called Jack anyway?

There's a Bring 'Em Back Alive (or something of the sort) Achievement available, provided ALL party members survive the Grand Finale.  HOWEVER, to accomplish that, _all_ of the party members must be Loyal.  If not, one of the Normals will die, either holding the line or while escorting the recovered crew back to the ship.

Nope. You don't need the whole team to be loyal to have everyone surival.

Don't have Miranda's Loyalty? Don't have her lead any squad, no escort, don't bring her with you at the end. She should live if everyone else is loyal.

[Jeremy Winston]

I believe that having the proper paragon/renegade response for the initial encounter requires lower amounts. But, once loyalty is lost, you need nearly 100% paragon/renegade to get it back.



If you don't want to max your class stat, you can always blow some eezo and retrain.

[CptPatch]

Invalidcode wrote...
Don't have Miranda's Loyalty? Don't have her lead any squad, no escort, don't bring her with you at the end. She should live if everyone else is loyal.

I didn't have Miranda's Loyalty in my first game, did NOT put her in charge of any squad, did NOT use her to escort the crew back (didn't send any escort, so the crew never made it), but she died holding the line.

Doesn't anybody on your squad automatically survive?  In which case, take the Normals and save the Loyals for holding the line and escort duty.

[Jeremy Winston]

If she didn't survive in Hold The Line, then you didn't have enough defense. You might have taken a heavy combat group with you in the final sequence.



And, no.. you can kill everyone. EVERYONE and then die yourself in the end.



Any non-loyal member in a specific job position will always die.

[bboyser8]

CptPatch wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...
Don't have Miranda's Loyalty? Don't have her lead any squad, no escort, don't bring her with you at the end. She should live if everyone else is loyal.

I didn't have Miranda's Loyalty in my first game, did NOT put her in charge of any squad, did NOT use her to escort the crew back (didn't send any escort, so the crew never made it), but she died holding the line.

Doesn't anybody on your squad automatically survive?  In which case, take the Normals and save the Loyals for holding the line and escort duty.

Anybody who's unloyal and in your squad dies after the final boss. It's possible to have everybody alive with only 4 loyal squadmates, but those loyal people need to be the really squishy ones (like Mordin or Tali). Then you send one of the squishy loyal ones on the escort and bring 2 more with you to the final boss.

[fr34k3r]

Is it still possible to finish the suicide mission with Jack and Miranda, et all, alive? Even though I don't have one of their loyalty's at full anymore?

[GothamLord]

fr34k3r wrote...

Is it still possible to finish the suicide mission with Jack and Miranda, et all, alive? Even though I don't have one of their loyalty's at full anymore?

Ah!! Necro thread.

Anyways.  Yes you can finish the suicide run with everyone still alive minus Jack or Miranda's loyalty.  Just dont give the unloyal one any mission specific tasks. 

[Tokion]

I am doing a Paragade playthrough to try to have access to all Renegade + Paragon checks in the game.

So far I am successful with
- Thane's loyalty mission 'fastest interrogation' (Renegade check)
- Zaeed Paragon option at the end of the mission
- Withstanding Morith using raw power of the will (Renegade check)
- Breaking off Miranda and Jack using Paragon persuasion

This is definately the BEST playthrough I ever experienced. However, you must setup your paragon/renegade points gain all the way from the start. Which means trying to get as many points as possible from Mass 1 and avoid all the 3'o clock options in the dialogue wheel.

Modifié par Tokion, 28 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[Named]

You can survive with unloyal members. The trick is to give them no specific tasks during the mission and keep them on your party. They are only at risk of dying if you choose them for the FINAL fight before you step on the platform and even then they'll only die after the battle during the cinematic. So it's simple... keep them with you until the Reaper battle and then leave them to defend the door :] It worked for me.

I don't know how they calculate the survival chances, but I left my heaviest hitters in the other team just to be sure. (Samara, Grunt, Garrus, Jack, Jacob etc) Other than loyalty, be sure to use common sense when choosing LOYAL members for special tasks. Legion or Tali in the pipeline, Garrus to lead the second team both times and whichever loyal biotic you have to walk through the bugs.
Oh and send off someone weak to escort the crew. I sent the thief.

As for issues with the paragon rating... I had 100% paragon which for some reason was neither enough to settle the Jack/Miranda dispute or get back their loyalty afterwards. I didn't have this problem on my first play-through... *shrugs*

After the Suicide Mission I had an idea to use the "Retrain" option to replace "Commando" with "Shock Trooper" at level 4. It offers 100% Paragon/Renegade. (Commando is only 70%.)
With that I was able to re-convince Miranda... for all the ****ing good it did at that point
Anyway, it worked, so there's the solution.

For anyone worried about loyalty, leave Zaeed's (if Paragon) and Jack's mission until the very last when your rating should be highest. For added security, retrain for Shock Trooper before going in if you don't already have it. It only costs 2500 Element Zero to Retrain and you can do it as much as you want
Bon chance!

Modifié par Named, 19 mai 2010 - 08:24 .

[siesses]

I dont know what you are talking about. Im on my first playthrough. Not even half maxed paragon and i have that option which "saved the day"

[Gethforceone]

The longer you wait to do both Jack and Miranda's missions the harder it will be to stop the fight.

Modifié par Gethforceone, 27 mai 2010 - 07:24 .