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#2776
Maria13

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Sarah1281 wrote...


One example is Sophia, who was put into the Wardens to (IIRC) take her out of the running for the throne or something.

Lots of people use that as proof that Wardens can't hold titles (except Alistair and maybe you) but she was also stripped of her title or else her descendents wouldn't be merchants. She was put into the Wardens as it was something for her to do that didn't involve planning a coup (and she was too dangerous to just allow to walk away) and seemed harmless since they viewed it as defunct. Of course, Sophia changed that...


I think it may be fair to say that this is like the point we discussed a few weeks ago about the GWs not intervening in politics: Surely it depends on the culture and the time.  Obviously Sophia's case was sui generis to Ferelden in that she was a viable candidate to the throne and in compelling her to become a GW, Arland was probably hoping she would not pass the joining and thus he would not have to address the issue any further...  However, as you say, in counterposition to that is Alistair's situation where at one point even Riordan, who is his snr in the GWs asks him, "Shall I address you as Your Majesty?".   Add to this the scene in Awakenings where you reassure Sigrun that even though as member of the Legion of the Dead she had to renounce all possessions the same is not the  case for GWs.  On balance, therefore, I would say that GWs do not necessarily have to renounce titles and possessions (and really titles are nothing but possessions).

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Hehe, Jory, Ser how-the-hell-did-you-get-picked. If there was a sign the Grey in Ferelden were desperate...Jory was the doorbell for Desperations little knock at the door.


Daveth was a cool dude though. Sad he goes everytime :-/

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Maria13 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...



One example is Sophia, who was put into the Wardens to (IIRC) take her out of the running for the throne or something.

Lots of people use that as proof that Wardens can't hold titles (except Alistair and maybe you) but she was also stripped of her title or else her descendents wouldn't be merchants. She was put into the Wardens as it was something for her to do that didn't involve planning a coup (and she was too dangerous to just allow to walk away) and seemed harmless since they viewed it as defunct. Of course, Sophia changed that...


I think it may be fair to say that this is like the point we discussed a few weeks ago about the GWs not intervening in politics: Surely it depends on the culture and the time.  Obviously Sophia's case was sui generis to Ferelden in that she was a viable candidate to the throne and in compelling her to become a GW, Arland was probably hoping she would not pass the joining and thus he would not have to address the issue any further...  However, as you say, in counterposition to that is Alistair's situation where at one point even Riordan, who is his snr in the GWs asks him, "Shall I address you as Your Majesty?".   Add to this the scene in Awakenings where you reassure Sigrun that even though as member of the Legion of the Dead she had to renounce all possessions the same is not the  case for GWs.  On balance, therefore, I would say that GWs do not necessarily have to renounce titles and possessions (and really titles are nothing but possessions).

I like that take on it and, really, I don't need more reasons to hate being a Warden.

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@Sarah, and remember , the codex on Duncan says he gave up his last name. But Duncan did it by choice. And he didn't have anything to really lose. His dad died and he wound up a thief on the streets of Val Royeaux. I too would say you don't have to give up titles, and the GW can be married. Hence Jory, and Kristoff. It isn't like the LotD (Sigurn) where they have to give up everything.



@ Soignee, I know! I love Daveth. Too bad you can't get busy in the Wilds with him before he bites it. *sigh*

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soignee wrote...

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Hehe, Jory, Ser how-the-hell-did-you-get-picked. If there was a sign the Grey in Ferelden were desperate...Jory was the doorbell for Desperations little knock at the door.


Daveth was a cool dude though. Sad he goes everytime :-/


Yeah, I really like Daveth.  He would have made a good warden if it wasn't for that whole 'succumb to the poison' thing.  Dangit.

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You know what would be funny? If you could talk Jory down and he dies anyway. I think I actually saw a fanfic that happened in although it was kind of a Mary Sue fic so it took away from the irony.

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So, has anyone else ever been writing along happy as can be and thought, "Wow, the ending I have planned for my fic is way too easy"? Well, I did last night and now I've started speccing out tweaked endings and analyzing them in terms of what percentage of the main characters' lives would be hopelessly screwed up. I doubt I'll change anything, but one idea is incredibly enticing and I would love to write it but, it is way on the bitter side of bittersweet.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:53 .


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SurelyForth wrote...

So, has anyone else ever been writing along happy as can be and thought, "Wow, the ending I have planned for my fic is way too easy"? Well, I did last night and now I've started speccing out tweaked endings and analyzing them in terms of what percentage of the main characters' lives would be hopelessly screwed up. I doubt I'll change anything, but one idea is incredibly enticing and I would love to write it but, it is way on the bitter side of bittersweet.



Yeeeees. 

But I think I might have to cry if Anders doesn't get the girl at the end, Surely.  :D

#2784
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jenncgf wrote...

soignee wrote...

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Hehe, Jory, Ser how-the-hell-did-you-get-picked. If there was a sign the Grey in Ferelden were desperate...Jory was the doorbell for Desperations little knock at the door.


Daveth was a cool dude though. Sad he goes everytime :-/


Yeah, I really like Daveth.  He would have made a good warden if it wasn't for that whole 'succumb to the poison' thing.  Dangit.




More than a good warden I think Daveth could have made a great leader because he was capable of seeing beyond his own narrow self-interest to the greater good and in a succinct short speech convinces the others of the same.

A true loss.

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Sick :(

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Gilgamesh1138

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You are sick? Sorry Leeaire, need more context. If you are sick,then *hugs Leeaire tight*

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SurelyForth wrote...

So, has anyone else ever been writing along happy as can be and thought, "Wow, the ending I have planned for my fic is way too easy"? Well, I did last night and now I've started speccing out tweaked endings and analyzing them in terms of what percentage of the main characters' lives would be hopelessly screwed up. I doubt I'll change anything, but one idea is incredibly enticing and I would love to write it but, it is way on the bitter side of bittersweet.


Now, I know there's a market for bittersweet endings and I know I'm biased in the case of your fic, but be wary of NOT giving readers what they expect almost as much as you should be of giving them what they expect. There's something really satisfying about having things tied up the way you want - or if not in the way you want, then in a way you want. 

Maybe write an AU short story of your alternative ending? 




:unsure:please make Anders happy:unsure:

ETA: It's up to you though. Really. :crying:

Modifié par Miri1984, 14 juillet 2010 - 01:31 .


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Gilgamesh1138

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LOL Miri. I have to go with Miri though Surely.

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I am all for a happy Anders as well. Hasn't he been through enough??

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Miri1984 wrote...

Now, I know there's a market for bittersweet endings and I know I'm biased in the case of your fic, but be wary of NOT giving readers what they expect almost as much as you should be of giving them what they expect. There's something really satisfying about having things tied up the way you want - or if not in the way you want, then in a way you want. 

Maybe write an AU short story of your alternative ending?


This makes a startling amount of sense. Thank you!

And any ending would have to be an AAU, since Undertow is (technically) AU as far as my MC is concerned. :lol:

:unsure:please make Anders happy:unsure:

ETA: It's up to you though. Really. :crying:


LOL No pressure, right? ;)  

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Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

You are sick? Sorry Leeaire, need more context. If you are sick,then *hugs Leeaire tight*


*hugs* yes, im sick. I havent been able to get any writing done because of it too x.x i got some medicine from my doctor today so hopefully tomorrow will be a lot more productive than these last four or five days.

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Gilgamesh1138

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Aw, I am so sorry sweetie! Glad you have meds. *hugs Leeaire tighter*

#2793
Gilgamesh1138

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Ah, it looks like the stats on FF.net are broken again. ACK!


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LadyAly

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I am glad I never used FF.net - it seems I have to be glad.

As far as I know you can't anyway add pictures to the chapters.

So it was from beginning a no go for me

Hope it is solved soon dear, just for you <3


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LadyAly wrote...

I am glad I never used FF.net - it seems I have to be glad.
As far as I know you can't anyway add pictures to the chapters.
So it was from beginning a no go for me
Hope it is solved soon dear, just for you


What website DO you use then? Or do you just post directly on the forums?

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Gilgamesh1138 wrote...
Ah, it looks like the stats on FF.net are broken again. ACK!


Motherf*cker.  *goes off to kill something*

#2797
Gilgamesh1138

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LadyAly is forum poster, pics are allowed.



@LadyAly thanks love!



Yeah Lady D, I feel ya.

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Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Ah, it looks like the stats on FF.net are broken again. ACK!


Dammit....  That is not going to help me get over this chapter hump.   Must have stats with new chapters....

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Miri1984

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SurelyForth wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Now, I know there's a market for bittersweet endings and I know I'm biased in the case of your fic, but be wary of NOT giving readers what they expect almost as much as you should be of giving them what they expect. There's something really satisfying about having things tied up the way you want - or if not in the way you want, then in a way you want. 

Maybe write an AU short story of your alternative ending?


This makes a startling amount of sense. Thank you!

And any ending would have to be an AAU, since Undertow is (technically) AU as far as my MC is concerned. :lol:

:unsure:please make Anders happy:unsure:

ETA: It's up to you though. Really. :crying:


LOL No pressure, right? ;)  


:whistle:

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Ye olde stats appear to be broken again...