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[Firky]

Meyne wrote...

Beyond branding the Tranquil-to-be's forehead with a rune made of Lyrium, not really.

Hey. That's brilliant. Where is that info from? (Was I not paying enough attention in the Tower?)

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Firky - If you have a savegame at Ostagar, there's a Tranquil guy who pretty much gives you the entirety of what we know about the Rite of Tranquility. XD Sounds sort of like a magical lobotomy, but as Meyne said it's pretty non-specific apart from the 'foreheads branded with lyrium' bit.



@Raonar - I think you'll only find out once you start down that dark path A sudden shift in tone can be refreshing and exciting. It might depend on how long you focus on that nasty period you mentioned. So long as you don't start seriously depressing your readers you should be ok.



@Sarah - Tanks.

[Corker]

Sandtigress wrote...
  But thinking of myself as a decent writer is kind of weird, since I'm usually critical of my dialog especially, and how awkward it feels.  So when people are "Wow, that was great" I'm usually more "Really?  I'm not really sure what to say to that but thanks!"

"Thank you!  I'm glad you liked it!"

This is my default response if anyone gushes at me after a performance where I missed some notes/fumbled my fingers/forgot a verse/whatever.  I *am* glad they liked it, after all.

...Interesting.  The feedback component brings this out of a strictly writerly context and a bit closer to a storyteller/performer context, doesn't it?  Not totally, but...

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Anyone who is writing fiction based on the qunari might be very interested in some of the info in this thread from the DA2 section. Even if you're not, it's a useful insight IMO.

[Sialater]

What I need is more info on dwarves. I'm channeling my dwarf princess lately.

[Sarah1281]

Sialater wrote...

What I need is more info on dwarves. I'm channeling my dwarf princess lately.

What kind of information? If it's not in the game you can always make it up.

[Sialater]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

What I need is more info on dwarves. I'm channeling my dwarf princess lately.

What kind of information? If it's not in the game you can always make it up.

I know.  I just hate reading the Codex.  

[Sialater]

ANnyone know where I can find a list of the ending cards for Awakening? I really just need the Mistress one

[jenncgf]

Sialater wrote...

ANnyone know where I can find a list of the ending cards for Awakening? I really just need the Mistress one

If you go to the wiki and search on 'epilogue awakening' you'll find them.

[Sialater]

Found it. Thanks.

[DreGregoire]

In regards to the tranquil. The one at Ostagar says "Our forehead is branded with magic, which stills our talent and mind." I hope that helps. And Owain in the circle tower origin says he was ordered not to talk of it.

I don't remember hearing about lyrium being used or a rune, but maybe that's written somewhere else.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 août 2010 - 08:01 .

[DreGregoire]

In regards to being weird or not for responding immediately to reviews.

That's not being weird it's being attentive to your audience. heh I would be tickled pink if I wrote a review and got an immediate response. I got a review once on FF.net and I took my story off haha. I decided I didn't want to deal with it yet. Maybe I'll do a rewrite of Aonghas Cousland stuff and put it on there some day. Right now I'm having time management issues as it is. LOL I couldn't imagine trying to keep up with reviews.

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire wrote...

In regards to the tranquil. The one at Ostagar says "Our forehead is branded with magic, which stills our talent and mind." I hope that helps. And Owain in the circle tower origin says he was ordered not to talk of it.

I don't remember hearing about lyrium being used or a rune, but maybe that's written somewhere else.

okay I see the wiki says this:

Those mages who are too weak of will to resist demonic possession or appear to be dangerous are forced to go through the Rite of Tranquility, which (involving the use of a magical brand made of lyrium) cuts off a mage's connection to the Fade – they can no longer dream.

there isn't a footnote so I'm not sure what the source was for it.


sooo... I guess I wasn't much help after all *winks*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 août 2010 - 08:25 .

[Sarah1281]

The wiki has been wrong before. If someone who knows better doesn't bother changing something then misinformation can stay up for quite a while.

[Firky]

That's interesting. I'm sure I looked at the Tranquil on the wiki before and I don't remember "lyrium" branding. But thanks for discussion. Maybe I'll just go with what was said in game.

[maxernst]

The Chant of Light "Only trust lyrium-brand tranquil mages. Don't settle for any cheap substitutes."

[okiness]

Tranquil are turned because they're suspected to be too powerful to control and dangerous, I could swear that's what I heard in the mage origin itself. Too weak? Never heard that.

[Sarah1281]

okiness wrote...

Tranquil are turned because they're suspected to be too powerful to control and dangerous, I could swear that's what I heard in the mage origin itself. Too weak? Never heard that.

We do find the journal of a Tranquil mage who explains that they were too afraid to do the Harrowing and so chose to become Tranquil and in the Mage origin if you ask if there is any other option but the Harrowing in your first conversation then Greagoir says it's that or the Rite. I'm not positive if they force it on mages they don't feel can pass their Harrowing by a certain age (like if they can't manage it by thirty they'll never get there) or if it's a solely voluntary thing for those they don't think are too dangerous but look at Jowan. They all seemed surprised that he was a blood mage after all so if they were going to force Tranquility on him then it would have to be for his lack of powers. And maybe for Lily. Would that be enough to make him Tranquil? 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Maybe weak-willed rather than lacking power? I can see how not having a strong mind (theoretically required for being able to resist certain demons), or being lured by blood magic, could be considered a problem. The Harrowing is what's supposed to deal with weak-willed mages, though...



(I was positive lyrium was mentioned by the Tranquil...I should have replayed that scene myself, I guess. )

[Sandtigress]

Here's what the Tranquil at Ostagar says:

Do you not recognize my brand, good mage? I am one of the Tranquil.

Indeed, the Circle makes tranquil those with insufficient skill to become a mage. We lose our emotions, but can still play a vital role in the Circle.

Our forehead is branded with magic, which stills our talent and mind. The process is irreversible, as far as I am aware.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Hm, that implies the brand is visible, like a tattoo or burn--or at least visible to mages. Considering DA could have created a little facial tattoo for the Tranquil in the game I was assuming something insibile to the naked eye (though it could still be such if only mages see it).



The insufficient skill line could imply either a lack of power or discipline. I'd be curious about the former being an issue, really...why disable a person who has good self-control but limited talent? (Or is the Circle Tower using that as an excuse to create the Formari and make use of otherwise inaccessible skills?)

[Raonar]

I don't really trust this Rite. Dwarves aren't connected to the fade but they still have emotions. I think the Chantry does that rite as it does it in order to purposely remove their emotions so that they don't go mad or die when folding lyrium into weapons during enchantments.

[LupusYondergirl]

I suspect the latter, but my fic has a ridiculously anti Circle/Chantry stance for a reason. The Formari do most of the enchantments, breed mabari, and are the public face of the circle running the stores. And without emotion they don't even have a desire to do anything else. The perfect slaves, really.

Lack of discipline I can understand, but the impression I got from Jowan was that he would have been made tranquil for lack of power (blood magic or no). It might be something they push for mages without skills they can make use of. A weak healer can still be sent to a wealthy landowner or minor noble who can't afford a magical powerhouse like Anders or Wynne as a personal healer, after all. Why would anyone need a mediocre mage focusing on the spirit spell tree (for example)? They wouldn't even be useful for teaching since their pupils would surpass them too quickly.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 04 août 2010 - 04:09 .

[Meyne]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'd be curious about the former being an issue, really...why disable a person who has good self-control but limited talent? (Or is the Circle Tower using that as an excuse to create the Formari and make use of otherwise inaccessible skills?)

It could be that a mage who has limited talent will become frustrated and more likely to be wooed by a demon or by the promises of augmenting with Blood Magic.  I gather Blood Magic is fairly powerful and can be an incredible weapon for someone who's talents are not so stellar.  Basically, the fear that people with less skill but ambition could try and get ahead.  Though I suppose it is also a case-by-case basis - Jowan's personality probably had many worried he would turn to something to boost his potential (due to ambition or at least a want to be on the same level as others), while another mage may be content with minor talents and more interested in some administrative duties, so wouldn't come under the eye for the Rite.  Plus Jowan was being accused by the Templars, who claimed they had a witness, of appearing to use something like Blood Magic.

So forcing it on an apprentice probably takes the Templars getting involved.  Irvine seems incredibly melancoly about the whole thing, though he keeps his stance to allow the Rite for Jowan.  My guess is he had the choice between the Rite or Jowan's death, and would rather not send someone to their death.  Otherwise, the Rite is taken up by choice by those too afraid of possibly dying and not confident of their abilities.   Most mages I think would go to the Harrowing, determined to see it through, and would rather risk death for possible success than go Tranquil.

[Firky]

You guys are amazing. I wouldn't have thought of half of this stuff myself.

I'm really trying to think of a plausable way that someone could undergo the Rite and come out either not Tranquil at all or a little bit Tranquil but without knowing anything about the Rite, I can't quite make an assumption that sounds right.

Presumably it is witnessed by someone. Presumably they check somehow? How could you prove the Rite had worked?

EDIT: Also, are there female Tranquil? I don't recall anyone. Unless that enchanter lady in the Keep in DOA was Tranquil. I don't remember her saying she was but her dialogue was a little ... dry?

Modifié par Firky, 04 août 2010 - 05:07 .