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[Sarah1281]

Miri1984 wrote...

I like putting all the origins in after the game play of the fic is done - Neria stayed at the Tower while my femCousland got hitched to Ali and saved Ferelden. The only origin I've actually killed off in my fic universe is Mahariel because I have an insane hatred of the Dalish. Well, not precisely because of that, but it's definitely part of it. And I don't really see the Aeducan surviving, although Brosca might be hanging around somewhere.

I would have thought the dwarves would be the opposite as the Aeducan could escape to the Surface on her own or join the Legion while you actually see the Brosca's corpse.

For the Dalish, though, I don't see how she could possibly survive without becoming like Tamlen on her own.

[LupusYondergirl]

Miri1984 wrote...

I like putting all the origins in after the game play of the fic is done - Neria stayed at the Tower while my femCousland got hitched to Ali and saved Ferelden. The only origin I've actually killed off in my fic universe is Mahariel because I have an insane hatred of the Dalish. Well, not precisely because of that, but it's definitely part of it. And I don't really see the Aeducan surviving, although Brosca might be hanging around somewhere.

Same here.  I had Cousland survive- I figured her parents would have done much the same even if Duncan wasn't there so she could avenge their name/carry on the family.  I have a sort-of Tabris, too, but I made him a mage (who went with the circle to fight the archdemon and faked his death after to go home to the alienage, since I figured there was no way out of that mess otherwise.)  I may add others eventually.

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire is upset that it took her close to 24 hours to start her next chapter but she blames the people whose fanfiction had her held against her will until she read every word.

[SurelyForth]

I can definitely see the Cousland and the Amell/Surana surviving. One of my Amells is in my Cousland story, but she's still at the Tower (probably getting handsy with Dagna). Like Sarah, I think an Aeducan might run into the Legion, and a Brosca could possibly escape (even though there is a body).

I can't see any way out for a Mahariel if Duncan isn't around. Isn't he the only reason they don't die at the cave?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 09 août 2010 - 10:30 .

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

I can't see any way out for a Mahariel if Duncan isn't around. Isn't he the only reason they don't die at the cave?

If you go straight with the game and the Mahariel touches the mirror, then yes.  Duncan finds you outside alone and sick, Marethari cures you temporarily, but Duncan says the taint will still kill you eventually.  So you could maybe get away with hunters finding sick Mahariel and taking him/her back to Marethari, and sick but not completely tainted yet?  The problem with that is the urgency that Duncan tries to instill in the situation - he makes it sound like you are very ill and need the Joining as soon as possible (he says at one point that if he could have done it already, he would have done it before you even reached Ostagar).

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I can't see any way out for a Mahariel if Duncan isn't around. Isn't he the only reason they don't die at the cave?

If you go straight with the game and the Mahariel touches the mirror, then yes.  Duncan finds you outside alone and sick, Marethari cures you temporarily, but Duncan says the taint will still kill you eventually.  So you could maybe get away with hunters finding sick Mahariel and taking him/her back to Marethari, and sick but not completely tainted yet?  The problem with that is the urgency that Duncan tries to instill in the situation - he makes it sound like you are very ill and need the Joining as soon as possible (he says at one point that if he could have done it already, he would have done it before you even reached Ostagar).

I don't think that the taint would necessarily kill you but sharing Tamlen's fate would almost be worse. This origin's problems are entirely of your own making, however, so it's easy enough to have a Mahariel tell Tamlen they're not going in and survive that way.

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...
If you go straight with the game and the Mahariel touches the mirror, then yes.  Duncan finds you outside alone and sick, Marethari cures you temporarily, but Duncan says the taint will still kill you eventually.  So you could maybe get away with hunters finding sick Mahariel and taking him/her back to Marethari, and sick but not completely tainted yet?  The problem with that is the urgency that Duncan tries to instill in the situation - he makes it sound like you are very ill and need the Joining as soon as possible (he says at one point that if he could have done it already, he would have done it before you even reached Ostagar).

LOL, I should have known I was sending up the Sandtigress signal!

I have to wander if Duncan isn't overstating the urgency of things a bit, since he is willing to blackmail Bryce and he could just, you know, escort the Aeducan out of Orzammar without forcing them to commit to becoming a Warden. 

[Sandtigress]

Yeah, you could definitely go with not even going into the cave - that's why I said specifically if you want to go straight game events.

With the taint, I wonder if Marethari's magic would have changed the course of it's spread, or if the outcome would be inevitably ghoul. All Duncan says is that you are very sick, and must be in a great deal of pain.

And yeah, I wonder about the urgency thing too, but he doesn't tell any other origin that the Joining should have been done pre-Ostagar, and like I said above he does comment about how much pain the Dalish recruit must be in from the taint. So who knows?

You have Andersdar - I have Dalishdar!! :-D

[Miri1984]

I didn't know you saw a Brosca corpse - is that in the Carta quest? And how do we know it's Brosca? Interested because there's a strong chance of Brosca showing up in Shades soon and I don't want to make it completely AU.

[SurelyForth]

Miri1984 wrote...

I didn't know you saw a Brosca corpse - is that in the Carta quest? And how do we know it's Brosca? Interested because there's a strong chance of Brosca showing up in Shades soon and I don't want to make it completely AU.

When you free Leske, there's a corpse in the cell adjacent to his and he's talking about how his "friend" just stopped eating after awhile. I always assumed it was the Brosca, even though it's not explicitly stated. 

[Sarah1281]

Miri1984 wrote...

I didn't know you saw a Brosca corpse - is that in the Carta quest? And how do we know it's Brosca? Interested because there's a strong chance of Brosca showing up in Shades soon and I don't want to make it completely AU.

You know how in the Brosca origin you end up in one cell and Leske ends up in another after having been arrested for entering the Proving? Well during the carta quest you see Leske in the cell from the DC origin and a dead dwarf in the one you were in. Leske says 'My friend didn't make it. He just stopped eating one day, all for a stupid bet...' Since Beraht dies anyway, my theory is that without Duncan around to save you, after the guards catch you breaking out of the carta Jarvia gets her hands on you again and locks you back up with tighter security.

[DreGregoire]

I was always of the mind that Duncan's choice of who to recruit pretty much ended the life of the other possiblities. But I love the idea of finding some of them alive in the world. I mean they are no less who they are despite Duncan choosing them or another hero. I'm sure it makes for some really great story options including being able to recruit them into the grey wardens at a later date, maybe even having a list found in Denerim with Duncan's shield of possible recruits. That would be great

[Sarah1281]

DreGregoire wrote...

I was always of the mind that Duncan's choice of who to recruit pretty much ended the life of the other possiblities. But I love the idea of finding some of them alive in the world. I mean they are no less who they are despite Duncan choosing them or another hero. I'm sure it makes for some really great story options including being able to recruit them into the grey wardens at a later date, maybe even having a list found in Denerim with Duncan's shield of possible recruits. That would be great

He could put Cousland, Tabris, and Amell/Surana on it but while he did think highly of Aeducan's skills he tried to discourage her from the GW because she was a Princess unlike the semi-encouraging response Cousland got. He'd never heard of Brosca until he saw her win that Proving and meeting Mahariel was just chance as he was there for the mirror so they wouldn't have made the list.

[sabreene]

SurelyForth wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I didn't know you saw a Brosca corpse - is that in the Carta quest? And how do we know it's Brosca? Interested because there's a strong chance of Brosca showing up in Shades soon and I don't want to make it completely AU.

When you free Leske, there's a corpse in the cell adjacent to his and he's talking about how his "friend" just stopped eating after awhile. I always assumed it was the Brosca, even though it's not explicitly stated. 

The only strange thing with the Brosca death/non-death is that Beraht dies either way, but Leske is only out of the cage if Brosca is a GW. 

So that could mean they got out, killed Beraht and were both caught again without Duncan there. Or they got out, killed Beraht and then something happened that caused Leske to get captured again (and not in Jarvia's good graces) and Brosca to get free and do who knows what.

With the other origins, none were really certain death, unless your Dalish actually does go in the cave and touch the mirror. The Cousland girl makes an appearance in my Surana/Anders fic. Or at least, she will, when I finally get time to finish writing that part.

Modifié par sabreene, 10 août 2010 - 12:28 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

A possible problem with Cousland surviving without Duncan is that Duncan is the reason Bryce was in the larder (and alive). If he hadn't been there I'd say there's a good chance Cousland and mum would have gone back into the keep to try and find dad. Alternately, without Duncan whittling down Howe's guard, soldiers could already be in the kitchen.

This doesn't completely remove the chance of Cousland escaping, but poses additional problems. I tend to agree that the Dalish Elf would certainly have died/mutated without a Joining. All the others had possible avenues of survival via skill and luck, but the Taint doesn't allow that for the DE :/

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 10 août 2010 - 12:12 .

[Sarah1281]

sabreene wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I didn't know you saw a Brosca corpse - is that in the Carta quest? And how do we know it's Brosca? Interested because there's a strong chance of Brosca showing up in Shades soon and I don't want to make it completely AU.

When you free Leske, there's a corpse in the cell adjacent to his and he's talking about how his "friend" just stopped eating after awhile. I always assumed it was the Brosca, even though it's not explicitly stated. 

The only strange thing with the Brosca death/non-death is that Beraht dies either way, but Leske is only out of the cage if Brosca is a GW. 

So that could mean they got out, killed Beraht and were both caught again without Duncan there. Or they got out, killed Beraht and then something happened that caused Leske to get captured again (and not in Jarvia's good graces) and Brosca to get free and do who knows what.

With the other origins, none were really certain death, unless your Dalish actually does go in the cave and touch the mirror. The Cousland girl makes an appearance in my Surana/Anders fic. Or at least, she will, when I finally get time to finish writing that part

I think it would have to be getting captured once they get to the Commons because Duncan doesn't even make an appearance until then and he's not the one who tracked you guys down (or else he wouldn't have told the guards) so you and and Leske get out to find guards who want to take you before the Shaper and executed for impersonating someone of a higher-caste (which is why Leske walks when you're conscripted: he was just with you but legally at the Proving and he didn't impersonate anyone). Jarvia intercedes at some point to get you locked up in the carta again for whatever reason - because she's pissed about Beraht and wants you to suffer more? - and so that's where the DC and Leske are when the Warden walks in.

[DreGregoire]

Cousland: I would guess you could change the placement of the youngest cousland. Perhaps he/she was elsewhere when the attack occured. Maybe a bit of disobediance found the younger cousland having snuck out to follow his/her brother. *shrugs* And where exactly was Duncan anyways. We surely didn't pass him by on the way to the larder. hmm... that's going to bother me now. LOL.



Dalish: And yes if the Dalish and Tamlen went into the cave instead of back to camp there was no chance of surviving the taint without a joining.



I'm not horridly familiar with the dwarf origins but I would guess there is a chance for the noble to find a way out of the deep roads.



But I guess my biggest point is that if you play as a origin there isn't a guarentee that the other possible origins will play out the way they would if you are playing them. So there is a wide range of options and directions a creative person can take those. Now there are the obvious in game clues that mention the individuals but even those could be open to lies.



Let's say Shianna and Soris say their cousin died. Perhaps they lie to protect the cousin that left the city in search of the dalish or who is hiding somewhere else.



My mind can come up with numerous intriguing ways to explain away what we are exposed to. Even the game codex are suspect considering the sources.



So as long as your writing shows what was different then I don't see a problem changing what everybody else believes happened.



Heh sorry. I'll stop now.

[Sarah1281]

My problem with that is that some changes that might be necessary for them to survive would make it AU. AU is fine but it's not an example of how they could plausibly survive the situation they were set up for in the origin. In the dwarf origins, there is still a Proving that the DC wins and an expedition that Trian is killed on no matter if Duncan is there or, if he is, recruits them or not. That can't be changed without making it more of an AU than a 'oh, this is how they didn't survive (in the DC's case at least) but could have.'

The mage could have told Jowan they wouldn't help but Duncan's presence has nothing to do with the fact that Jowan is planning on escaping and Irving is planning on trapping him. Duncan's presence has nothing to do with you hearing about the cave in the DE origin and Tamlen insisting on going although you could turn down the opportunity to follow.

I also highly doubt that the younger Cousland heir who was to be left in charge of the castle could really just 'sneak off' to Ostagar and expect to get away with it.

Edit: There's always the 'they were lying' option but, really, the lies have to make sense. Leske saying he knows the dead dwarf in the cell and that a bet was involved is not a plausible lie, Bhelen, Harrowmont, and anyone else you ask all saying that the DN was exiled for Trian's murder makes no sense to lie about, Soris telling you he and his cousin failed to rescue the women also just doesn't make sense. These people aren't pathological liars here.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 10 août 2010 - 01:30 .

[DreGregoire]

Well I can definately understand your view point. However, I am more of a change what I need to to suit myself person. If that makes one less person interested in my tale because I take liberties with the dragon age origins story paths, so be it. Personally I wouldn't want the competition of another possible hero, so I'm not likely to have other origins character's in my writing.



On a side note: I kinda find it odd that there was only one safe way out of Castle Highever, I mean seriously. It's a castle. LOL. And weren't all these nobles hiding from the Orlesians (sp mind on fritz) not too long ago. There must be many many hidden ways around Ferelden. Heh boggles the mind so to speak.

[Sarah1281]

DreGregoire wrote...

Well I can definately understand your view point. However, I am more of a change what I need to to suit myself person. If that makes one less person interested in my tale because I take liberties with the dragon age origins story paths, so be it. Personally I wouldn't want the competition of another possible hero, so I'm not likely to have other origins character's in my writing.

On a side note: I kinda find it odd that there was only one safe way out of Castle Highever, I mean seriously. It's a castle. LOL. And weren't all these nobles hiding from the Orlesians (sp mind on fritz) not too long ago. There must be many many hidden ways around Ferelden. Heh boggles the mind so to speak.

Like I said, it's one thing if it's AU. It's quite another if you're writing about a Dalish Warden and come across the CE happily living at home as Vaughan never invaded her wedding. In an AU then why not? In a 'this is how Tabris could have survived' it doesn't work.

[ArawnNox]

Basically, you can only stretch probability so far, right?

[Corker]

DreGregoire wrote...

On a side note: I kinda find it odd that there was only one safe way out of Castle Highever, I mean seriously. It's a castle..

Er, yes.  The more holes (e.g., doors) you poke in your castle, the easier it is for people to get in.  The point of castles, generally, is to keep people out.

"Either this is a trap, or the defenders of this castle are idiots. I suspect both." 
- Sten, upon using the secret entrance/exit to Redcliffe Castle

[DreGregoire]

Corker wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

On a side note: I kinda find it odd that there was only one safe way out of Castle Highever, I mean seriously. It's a castle..

Er, yes.  The more holes (e.g., doors) you poke in your castle, the easier it is for people to get in.  The point of castles, generally, is to keep people out.

"Either this is a trap, or the defenders of this castle are idiots. I suspect both." 
- Sten, upon using the secret entrance/exit to Redcliffe Castle

Ah yes and there are usually only one or two exits/entrances to a castle? Personally I do not own a castle so I am going based on my view of what I think a castle is.

Gotta love Sten.

[DreGregoire]

I really do understand where you are coming from; however, without knowing the specifics of the changes I cannot sit here and say if something is plausible or not. I wouldn't expect anybody in the alienage would be living a happy stress free life after everything that happened with the purge and the darkspawn, so I can't imagine how a person would explain it without it being "AU."

I was just trying to speculate how things could have been different based on the realm of possible actions a free willed person could take. Dragon Age is very restrictive of your choices. Nowhere is there the option of ditching Ser Gilmore and going off to get the dog yourself which is what I wanted to do the first time I played LOL. I was very indignant that he was following me around like I couldn't find my own way to the larder. The only reason why the restrictions are there is so that your pc becomes a grey warden. It is situational is my point.

Heh, and as to if  the younger cousland thought they could get away with it or not they wouldn't be the first to think they could. LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 10 août 2010 - 02:36 .

[Sarah1281]

ArawnNox wrote...

Basically, you can only stretch probability so far, right?

Exactly.