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[ArawnNox]

DreGregoire wrote...

Oh! I have another subject to discuss and am looking for opinions. It's in regards to a mage pc.

Do you think that becoming a grey warden changes the blood of the individual. It seems to me that it's the taint in the blood that is recognized by grey wardens and darkspawn.

The second part is in regards to the phylactery that holds the Grey Wardens blood. Do you think the change the taint has wrought on the mage pc's blood would be enough to make the phylactery blood useless? (in terms of being used to find the mage)

L2A

I think of the taint as more of a poison, a foreign element in the body, corrupting the Warden and slowly killing them. So, fundamentally, it could make use of the phylactary harder, but not impossible. After all, if you have the Warden's Keep DLC you get a greater contol of the taint which is tied directly into blood related powers. The mana restoring mage power might as well be the Blood Magic Talent, really.

[maxernst]

While we're on the subject of questions relating to storylines that you want to explore: Is there any indication that the Mages' Collective exists outside of Ferelden (I'm specifically wondering about Orlais). It somehow doesn't feel big enough to be international, but maybe there's some equivalent group in Orlais, despite the stronger Chantry presence there?



Aedan might have a need to consult a mage in Orlais outside the control of the Chantry.

[Raonar]

maxernst wrote...

While we're on the subject of questions relating to storylines that you want to explore: Is there any indication that the Mages' Collective exists outside of Ferelden (I'm specifically wondering about Orlais). It somehow doesn't feel big enough to be international, but maybe there's some equivalent group in Orlais, despite the stronger Chantry presence there?

Aedan might have a need to consult a mage in Orlais outside the control of the Chantry.

Well, in the Leliana's Song DLC, Sketch says he is acquainted with the mages' Collective, and he's from Orlais.

So, I would say yes.

[Sarah1281]

They would probably, if nothing else, have their own version of it.

[LupusYondergirl]

re: phylacteries:  I was debating putting that into my story. I wasn't sure how to handle it, though, and ended up getting rid of that problem another way.
I think, since being a grey warden is like a progressive disease, it MAY stop working, but that could take a few years for the corruption in their body to increase. I suspect, for a new Warden, their blood wouldn't be much different from anyone else's. Especially since Alistair says you can't even sense darkspawn right away.

On a related note, I wonder... would the blood of a Grey Warden have the potential to spread the darkspawn plague? Not in Origins specifically, but say someone who has been in the order for ten years or longer. Would they be so corrupted that, if a normal person came in contact with their blood (say, by healing them or fighting with them) could they get sick?

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 10 août 2010 - 09:31 .

[DreGregoire]

ArawnNox wrote...
I think of the taint as more of a poison, a foreign element in the body, corrupting the Warden and slowly killing them. So, fundamentally, it could make use of the phylactary harder, but not impossible. After all, if you have the Warden's Keep DLC you get a greater contol of the taint which is tied directly into blood related powers. The mana restoring mage power might as well be the Blood Magic Talent, really.

Yes I was just thinking that it might make it more difficult at the least. If you injest something it ends up in your blood stream, even in game they say the blood is tainted. So I tend to see it as an initial poison (if you will) then it becomes more of a foreign body that slowly changes the blood over time. A slow process that changes the chemical makeup of the individual. So maybe over time it would become even more difficult for the mage to be found using the purer form of blood in the phylactery. Heh

[maxernst]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

re: phylacteries:  I was debating putting that into my story. I wasn't sure how to handle it, though, and ended up getting rid of that problem another way.
I think, since being a grey warden is like a progressive disease, it MAY stop working, but that could take a few years for the corruption in their body to increase. I suspect, for a new Warden, their blood wouldn't be much different from anyone else's. Especially since Alistair says you can't even sense darkspawn right away.

On a related note, I wonder... would the blood of a Grey Warden have the potential to spread the darkspawn plague? Not in Origins specifically, but say someone who has been in the order for ten years or longer. Would they be so corrupted that, if a normal person came in contact with their blood (say, by healing them or fighting with them) could they get sick?

My instinct would be that it would be possible, but it would depend on the degree of contact.  Just getting some of the contaminated blood on your skin probably wouldn't be sufficient unless you had wounds of your own.

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

re: phylacteries:  I was debating putting that into my story. I wasn't sure how to handle it, though, and ended up getting rid of that problem another way.
I think, since being a grey warden is like a progressive disease, it MAY stop working, but that could take a few years for the corruption in their body to increase. I suspect, for a new Warden, their blood wouldn't be much different from anyone else's. Especially since Alistair says you can't even sense darkspawn right away.

On a related note, I wonder... would the blood of a Grey Warden have the potential to spread the darkspawn plague? Not in Origins specifically, but say someone who has been in the order for ten years or longer. Would they be so corrupted that, if a normal person came in contact with their blood (say, by healing them or fighting with them) could they get sick?

oooo now you've done it. I'm going to have to think about this for a while before answering........ okay times up. That would totally be crazy, but I would think maybe not so much touch but ingestion might be an issue. It does not seem to do that when a person... ahem... engages in relations. However, there is some reading between the lines I did that makes me believe that wardens may believe an offspring of a warden would be more likely to be able to survive a joining. Well a warden that was a warden when the child was conceived.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 10 août 2010 - 09:42 .

[maxernst]

This reminds me of the Joan Vinge series starting with the Snow Queen. "Death to kill a sybil, death to love a sybil, Death to be a sybil." Although it is later explained that it isn't really death to love a sybil if caution is used (it seems to be blood contact only that's an issue).

[LupusYondergirl]

Oh, now THAT'S got me thinking. I can just see Maggie yelling at one of the Wardens about not letting whatever girls they meet in the city, um, swallow. (and she totally would, too. Loudly, without shame, in front of everyone.)



I just had a scene where a non-Warden healer was working on a Warden and started biting her nails without thinking. So I've been wondering if she has the potential to end up corrupted or not. Hmmm...

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Oh, now THAT'S got me thinking. I can just see Maggie yelling at one of the Wardens about not letting whatever girls they meet in the city, um, swallow. (and she totally would, too. Loudly, without shame, in front of everyone.)

I just had a scene where a non-Warden healer was working on a Warden and started biting her nails without thinking. So I've been wondering if she has the potential to end up corrupted or not. Hmmm...

 *giggles*

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

On a related note, I wonder... would the blood of a Grey Warden have the potential to spread the darkspawn plague? Not in Origins specifically, but say someone who has been in the order for ten years or longer. Would they be so corrupted that, if a normal person came in contact with their blood (say, by healing them or fighting with them) could they get sick?

I would say that once the corruption has gone to the point where the Grey Warden could be termed a ghoul then they can definitely infect others (so after they should have gone to their Calling, basically).

Considering the GWs do have regular people working for them (administrators, enchanters, probably healers as well) I can't say I like the idea of them putting people at risk when they're supposed to be *stopping* the spread of Blight. Seems irresponsible. I wouldn't say it's impossible though...say if a blood mage GW deliberately worked out a way via experiments.

[ArawnNox]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Oh, now THAT'S got me thinking. I can just see Maggie yelling at one of the Wardens about not letting whatever girls they meet in the city, um, swallow. (and she totally would, too. Loudly, without shame, in front of everyone.)

I just had a scene where a non-Warden healer was working on a Warden and started biting her nails without thinking. So I've been wondering if she has the potential to end up corrupted or not. Hmmm...

Poor Zeveran/Lelianna! O_O

[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Considering the GWs do have regular people working for them (administrators, enchanters, probably healers as well) I can't say I like the idea of them putting people at risk when they're supposed to be *stopping* the spread of Blight. Seems irresponsible. I wouldn't say it's impossible though...say if a blood mage GW deliberately worked out a way via experiments.

nooooooooooooo now my mind is in hyper drive. I'm going back to writing before I implode.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 10 août 2010 - 10:10 .

[Raonar]

Anyway since I CAN, I'll just say that my fanfic's latest chapter is now up on FF.net.



Probably a bit boring compared to the other ones, but meh.

[SurelyForth]

I think I read somewhere that Grey Wardens cannot pass the taint on via blood or other body fluids- that it's more like a cancer. I believe that information may have been passed down from The Voice of God but I can't find it anywhere now.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 10 août 2010 - 10:38 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

On a related note, I wonder... would the blood of a Grey Warden have the potential to spread the darkspawn plague? Not in Origins specifically, but say someone who has been in the order for ten years or longer. Would they be so corrupted that, if a normal person came in contact with their blood (say, by healing them or fighting with them) could they get sick?

I would say that once the corruption has gone to the point where the Grey Warden could be termed a ghoul then they can definitely infect others (so after they should have gone to their Calling, basically).

Considering the GWs do have regular people working for them (administrators, enchanters, probably healers as well) I can't say I like the idea of them putting people at risk when they're supposed to be *stopping* the spread of Blight. Seems irresponsible. I wouldn't say it's impossible though...say if a blood mage GW deliberately worked out a way via experiments.

Absolutely at that point, but I wonder if sooner.  Plenty of people with blood-born diseases live comparatively normal lives, you don't usually bleed all over your house.  If they only fight along other wardens, and get healed by Wardens, it seems reasoable the normal people working for them would be perfectly safe.  Even with non-Warden healers a warning not to get their blood in a wound should suffice.

[DreGregoire]

Now that I was good and did some more writing. About the not passing the taint to others. I remember something about that too SurelyForth. I'm not really sure but I thought I remember reading something about the baby being born with traces of the taint or something, but I don't know if it was when I was reading a David book or if it was something on the forums. I should really start a catalog of information lol.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 10 août 2010 - 10:56 .

[SurelyForth]

DreGregoire wrote...

Now that I was good and did some more writing. About the not passing the taint to others. I remember something about that too SurelyForth. I'm not really sure but I thought I remember reading something about the baby being born with traces of the taint or something, but I don't know if it was when I was reading a David book or if it was something on the forums. I should really start a catalog of information lol.

The Calling says that the taint cannot be passed from a Grey Warden mother to her child in utero. Morrigan had to use magic to ensure that the child she conceives is tainted (which is why she can possibly get pregnant if you romance her but, if you don't do the DR, someone still dies). 

[ArawnNox]

DreGregoire wrote...

Now that I was good and did some more writing. About the not passing the taint to others. I remember something about that too SurelyForth. I'm not really sure but I thought I remember reading something about the baby being born with traces of the taint or something, but I don't know if it was when I was reading a David book or if it was something on the forums. I should really start a catalog of information lol.

The baby Fiona had with Maric wasn't tainted, and for some reason, neither was she, anymore. No explanation on that has been offered yet. Even the Wardens of Orlais were going "WTFBBQ!?"

[DreGregoire]

SurelyForth wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Now that I was good and did some more writing. About the not passing the taint to others. I remember something about that too SurelyForth. I'm not really sure but I thought I remember reading something about the baby being born with traces of the taint or something, but I don't know if it was when I was reading a David book or if it was something on the forums. I should really start a catalog of information lol.

The Calling says that the taint cannot be passed from a Grey Warden mother to her child in utero. Morrigan had to use magic to ensure that the child she conceives is tainted (which is why she can possibly get pregnant if you romance her but, if you don't do the DR, someone still dies). 

Thanks for saving me the research time *winks*

[DreGregoire]

ArawnNox wrote...

The baby Fiona had with Maric wasn't tainted, and for some reason, neither was she, anymore. No explanation on that has been offered yet. Even the Wardens of Orlais were going "WTFBBQ!?"

I think what you are talking about is when the wardens were in the deep roads and Fiona and the other grey wardens had started to progress further due to the mass amount of taint surrounding them. If I remember correctly the advanced effects faded, not that she was nolonger tainted by darkspawn blood. At least that's how a remember it Maybe I'm remembering wrong though.

[LupusYondergirl]

They did say she would be exempt from the Calling, but not that she wasn't tainted, from what I recall.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Absolutely at that point, but I wonder if sooner.  Plenty of people with blood-born diseases live comparatively normal lives, you don't usually bleed all over your house.  If they only fight along other wardens, and get healed by Wardens, it seems reasoable the normal people working for them would be perfectly safe.  Even with non-Warden healers a warning not to get their blood in a wound should suffice.

I think you could pull it off if you wanted to, but personally I can't say I like the idea. :/ (On the subject of bleeding all over the house, female Wardens might have trouble at certain times of the month. I don't know how advanced personal hygience was back then).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

On another note Sarah and I both noticed that our respective fanfics just went down in 'star' points on the same day. Anyone else experience something similar? Do we have a troll who gets kicks from killing stars? XD