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[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

I put Aeducan & Brosca, even though they're both males and more brothers than anything else.

And if one of them was a girl then you can bet people would be eagerly expecting their hookup. I think I saw in one of your reviews someone getting all excited because Raonar and Faren met Kallian and started expecting her to get together with one of them.

Edit: Which, even if it happens, was a bit premature at that point.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 18 août 2010 - 06:09 .

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What's really annoying is when you have two characters listed because they're the two main characters and people start complaining because they're not together. I really wasn't aware that the 'character list' was actually the 'pairing list' and to use it for anything else was intentionally trying to deceive the poor pairing fans.

This! I just had someone suggest that I re-sort my fic to Cousland/Anders which...fine. However, if I did that, then people would complain about all the damned Alistair and his numerous flashbacks. I struggled mightily when it came time to pick the characters, but ultimately I decided to go with the two who would be most thoroughly explored as characters, and not the two who would bang the most.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 18 août 2010 - 06:28 .

[Sialater]

I'm waiting for people to send me angry messages about Zevran and Alistair.

[Raonar]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Raonar wrote...

I put Aeducan & Brosca, even though they're both males and more brothers than anything else.

And if one of them was a girl then you can bet people would be eagerly expecting their hookup. I think I saw in one of your reviews someone getting all excited because Raonar and Faren met Kallian and started expecting her to get together with one of them.

Edit: Which, even if it happens, was a bit premature at that point.

Well, to put your mind at ease, I can assure you that Raonar, at least, won't be hooked up with ANYONE. There WILL be a certain someone that will want to be with him but it won't work out because he won't be interested.

For reasons you may already suspect. It won't be anything pathetic and stupid, like "ï'm not over my girlfriend that I killed 4 years ago" of course, but still, something related.

He just won't be interested.

Modifié par Raonar, 18 août 2010 - 07:15 .

[DreGregoire]

Heh, you could always put in a disclaimer in descrip or your profile. After exploring fanfiction a bit I can see why some readers expect things to be a certain way. Just like in mine my main character and Zevran are the main characters, but they are not in a relationship, but I'm still listing them both. People can be so... well anyways try to send them a nice gram I guess.

"So sorry that my naming the main characters of my fanfiction made you think they were romance partners, but they are not. I hope you find what you are looking for elsewhere :P"

LOL.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 18 août 2010 - 11:30 .

[jackkel dragon]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What's really annoying is when you have two characters listed because they're the two main characters and people start complaining because they're not together. I really wasn't aware that the 'character list' was actually the 'pairing list' and to use it for anything else was intentionally trying to deceive the poor pairing fans.

This! I just had someone suggest that I re-sort my fic to Cousland/Anders which...fine. However, if I did that, then people would complain about all the damned Alistair and his numerous flashbacks. I struggled mightily when it came time to pick the characters, but ultimately I decided to go with the two who would be most thoroughly explored as characters, and not the two who would bang the most.

This is exactly the reason I only put the main character as the character for my current fanfic on FF.net. My Cousland happens to be female, so listing Alistair would signal most people "oh, another Cousland/Alistair fic. Boring." Which would be ironic, because this character isn't hooking up with anyone, at least not during the Origins timeline.

I also don't list Alistair because it might hurt the Alistair fans when I finally start seriously updating the story. The Alistair fans I know wouldn't like a broken-down Hardened Alistair who kills people in cold blood. Just a heads-up, for those of you waiting for some Alistair action. (Out of my ~20 viewers.)

[JHByrne]

Huh. I just won a 'Leliana's Song' entry, for 5 minutes of prose that I dashed off as a laugh.



Seems to me that this is 1) a computer game, 2) about homicidal sociopaths who run around and slaughter, well, everything, 3) with a sword or by lighting them on fire, exploding them, etc, 4) while trying to delay their own inevitable death.



What part of 'romance' ever enters into this? I just don't get why people would care who Alistair 'sleeps' with, who is 'paired' with whom, etc, etc.



I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

[DreGregoire]

No comment.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What's really annoying is when you have two characters listed because they're the two main characters and people start complaining because they're not together. I really wasn't aware that the 'character list' was actually the 'pairing list' and to use it for anything else was intentionally trying to deceive the poor pairing fans.

This! I just had someone suggest that I re-sort my fic to Cousland/Anders which...fine. However, if I did that, then people would complain about all the damned Alistair and his numerous flashbacks. I struggled mightily when it came time to pick the characters, but ultimately I decided to go with the two who would be most thoroughly explored as characters, and not the two who would bang the most.

I blame all the 1,000 porn fics for the perception that the 'character list' is the 'who bangs who' list.

I too put the two characters who were intended to have the most air-time as the Listed, though I put the third party in the story summary. For people who have multiple characters from the game, it must be a bit more frustrating.

[DreGregoire]

About the fanfiction numbers it seems to me that their system is lagging behind. I mean one day I have 8 hits from 4 days before and the next day it says I had 42 hits on that day. I'm thinking it's lagging about 4 to 7 days behind or some such. Sounds like a Data base overload issue when it comes to updating the hits and visits.

[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I blame all the 1,000 porn fics for the perception that the 'character list' is the 'who bangs who' list.

Heh, this is exactly my impression I was shocked to see the mass amount of naughty fan fiction and about some of my favorite characters for games, anime, and even movies. I know what you're thinking! "She read some of them didn't she?" I have no comment on that though! LOL

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

JHByrne wrote...

Huh. I just won a 'Leliana's Song' entry, for 5 minutes of prose that I dashed off as a laugh.

Seems to me that this is 1) a computer game, 2) about homicidal sociopaths who run around and slaughter, well, everything, 3) with a sword or by lighting them on fire, exploding them, etc, 4) while trying to delay their own inevitable death.

1) Yep.
2) You left out the skinning your fallen foes and wearing the soft dead flesh as clothes. Wait...that was just the dragons. And you couldn't wear the werewolves, you could only pawn them off to merchants.
3) We didn't get to kill things with cats.
4) We're killing darkspawn but we're Still Alive! /Portal

What part of 'romance' ever enters into this? I just don't get why people would care who Alistair 'sleeps' with, who is 'paired' with whom, etc, etc.

Fandom is a strange and oft-disturbing/amazing world.

I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

Z: It's going a lot higher than 20,000 words, my friend.

A: Er. Riiiight. I hear people create these stories by pressing buttons on a board.

Z: A great many buttons, yes. This would be true.

A: Didn't that take a long time?

Z: *chuckles* Oh yes, yes. But it is not so bad, in truth. If you like, I could type one for you. I learned a little of the art myself while being glomped by fangirls in the Community Creations forum.

A: Oh, no, I don't think so.

Z: Come, it will just be a small one! A little porn fic! Something sexy! Where is my keyboard?

A: I think I'm...going to stand over here now!

[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...


Z: It's going a lot higher than 20,000 words, my friend.

A: Er. Riiiight. I hear people create these stories by pressing buttons on a board.

Z: A great many buttons, yes. This would be true.

A: Didn't that take a long time?

Z: *chuckles* Oh yes, yes. But it is not so bad, in truth. If you like, I could type one for you. I learned a little of the art myself while being glomped by fangirls in the Community Creations forum.

A: Oh, no, I don't think so.

Z: Come, it will just be a small one! A little porn fic! Something sexy! Where is my keyboard?

A: I think I'm...going to stand over here now!

Priceless! LOL

[jackkel dragon]

@SoLD (funny acronym...): ... I'm a bit worried about that "Z&A" you've got going...

[Sarah1281]

JHByrne wrote...

I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

20K? Really? That is...seriously not a lot. At all. You could probably get that much done in three days. I've been writing fanfiction for awhile (it's coming up on six years) and I have 1,073,719 words currently with 169,447 for my main DA one.

[jackkel dragon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

JHByrne wrote...

I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

20K? Really? That is...seriously not a lot. At all. You could probably get that much done in three days. I've been writing fanfiction for awhile (it's coming up on six years) and I have 1,073,719 words currently with 169,447 for my main DA one.

You ever thought of being a writer? You've got 10 short novels' worth of words already.

[Raonar]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...


Z: It's going a lot higher than 20,000 words, my friend.

A: Er. Riiiight. I hear people create these stories by pressing buttons on a board.

Z: A great many buttons, yes. This would be true.

A: Didn't that take a long time?

Z: *chuckles* Oh yes, yes. But it is not so bad, in truth. If you like, I could type one for you. I learned a little of the art myself while being glomped by fangirls in the Community Creations forum.

A: Oh, no, I don't think so.

Z: Come, it will just be a small one! A little porn fic! Something sexy! Where is my keyboard?

A: I think I'm...going to stand over here now!

 Pure. Win.

This just made my day.

[Maria13]

JHByrne wrote...

Huh. I just won a 'Leliana's Song' entry, for 5 minutes of prose that I dashed off as a laugh.

Seems to me that this is 1) a computer game, 2) about homicidal sociopaths who run around and slaughter, well, everything, 3) with a sword or by lighting them on fire, exploding them, etc, 4) while trying to delay their own inevitable death.

What part of 'romance' ever enters into this? I just don't get why people would care who Alistair 'sleeps' with, who is 'paired' with whom, etc, etc.

I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

Dear JH

I see from your profile you are a historian.  But frankly, what's the point of studying history? All those people are dead and most of them weren't that important anyway, why waste time on the past when you could live in the present?

[JHByrne]

Dear JH



I see from your profile you are a historian. But frankly, what's the point of studying history? All those people are dead and most of them weren't that important anyway, why waste time on the past when you could live in the present?



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Ah, but I DO live in the present. Lots of adventures to tell, and others to never say a word about! Sure, history is fun... but I don't recall too many history books focused on the sex lives of well-known names in history. History is all about who did WHAT, not WHOM.



So, why bother with computer games? Well, some are pretty well written, others 'explore' a piece of history, others are more fantasy. It's all good... but think about it: what about 'exploring another life' need involve sex as more than a sideline? The Dragon Age characters are all fairly warped, in one way or another. Their central 'mission' involves a death march, with no retirement plan. Whatever your character class, you're a suicidal homicide, bent on saving your little corner of Ferelden, and slaughtering all sorts of critters. Sex, by comparison, is something that any peasant can do, so why bother exploring it overmuch?



For all those who still insist on sexing up the Wardens... consider a central premise of BEING a Grey Warden: they drink DarkSpawn blood. Their blood is INFECTED. Presumeably, all of their bodily fluids are also INFECTED. So, sex with a Grey Warden is a sort of death sentence by itself, yes?



Kind of kills the romance, if the romance kills you.

[Maria13]

Ah, but I DO live in the present. Lots of adventures to tell, and others to never say a word about!

So do I and others here and we also choose to write FF some romantic, some not, you choose to read up on history, these choices have the same value.

Sure, history is fun... but I don't recall too many history books focused on the sex lives of well-known names in history. History is all about who did WHAT, not WHOM.

Really? I think you'll find there's quite a few history books focussing on the love lives of famous people or sexual mores...

So, why bother with computer games? Well, some are pretty well written, others 'explore' a piece of history, others are more fantasy. It's all good... but think about it: what about 'exploring another life' need involve sex as more than a sideline?

Football is a sideline, sex is not... For most people if not for you, it's a big deal.

The Dragon Age characters are all fairly warped, in one way or another. Their central 'mission' involves a death march, with no retirement plan. Whatever your character class, you're a suicidal homicide, bent on saving your little corner of Ferelden, and slaughtering all sorts of critters. Sex, by comparison, is something that any peasant can do, so why bother exploring it overmuch?

I, personally, agree with the first part here so much.  The suicide/homicide/doomed to die bit, that's what makes the characters so fun and intense to write about.   

Because sex is life and creates life.  Many of us are never more alive than when we're engaging in it. You're talking about the mechanics of sex, that may be basically tedious,  but even then there is considerable variety.  But what most of us here write is not just or only the mechanics but everything that surrounds it: feelings, emotions, angst, social differences, diversity...  The stuff of life.

For all those who still insist on sexing up the Wardens... consider a central premise of BEING a Grey Warden: they drink DarkSpawn blood. Their blood is INFECTED. Presumeably, all of their bodily fluids are also INFECTED. So, sex with a Grey Warden is a sort of death sentence by itself, yes?

I don't think your interpretation here is canon, but nevertheless, the scenario you propose is full of romantic possibilities and real life parallels... At least as I see it, 'tis a pity you can't but there you go.  You seem to be the kind of person who when the finger points to the moon, only considers the finger....

Kind of kills the romance, if the romance kills you.

I disagree.<3

Modifié par Maria13, 19 août 2010 - 03:11 .

[FutileSine]

JH- Interesting views, some of which I agree with, some with which I don't.

First off, the whole love connection is pretty much necessary in any work of fiction. Its pretty hard to find *any* work of fiction that doesn't have love, and if the work is made for maturer audiences, the act of love in it. It is a connection that people instantly recognize and is one of the easiest ways for readers to relate to fictional characters. The emphasis on sex probably comes up so much in DA (and other) fanfics because we all have our fantasies, and us writers like exploring those fantasies. And lets not ignore the fact that I think women make up the bulk of DA fanfic writers, and we women do love our romance....so not too surprisingly a lot of fanfic revolves around that aspect. And we gobble it all up!!

You know, you can easily simplify *anything* - WWII was about a man trying to make the world share his vision and a group of allies who tried to stop him, The Revolutionary War was about a group of people trying to gain their independence from a colonial power...Harry Potter was about a young man who realizes he's a wizard and has to fight the man who killed his parents...All these things are true yes, but there is sooooo much more to them! The glorious thing about all of these topics is reveling in the details- the same goes for DA.

Dragon Age is about a motley crew of society outcasts who try to save the world, yes, but what a delightful world it is! And the warped characters only add to the fun! If you take the time out to read all the codex, to read the books on it, its an absolutely fascinating world with all sorts of interesting facets to explore, which is part of what us fanfic writers do.

Lastly, your last statement made me think that you view the Grey Warden taint like getting HIV (both require blood; both are an eventual death sentence....) I don't think thats what the writers were going for....but it is an interesting interpretation. You should write a fanfic about it.

Just to add my two cents, though Maria has already stated everything beautifully...

Modifié par FutileSine, 19 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[maxernst]

@JHByrne, surely you're aware that the vast majority of historical fiction and films contain romantic subplots or even have romance as a central theme. Sex and romance as a driving force in literary works goes back at least as far as the Iliad. Unlike football, sex has been a big part of human existence (arguably our biological purpose) throughout history.



And to say that history consists of who did what seems a rather old-fashioned view for a historian to take. Much modern history focuses on social relationships (including, as Maria has noted, sexual mores) and economic activities and developments rather than on individuals and events.

[Corker]

JHByrne wrote...

Sex, by comparison, is something that any peasant can do, so why bother exploring it overmuch?

Yeah, I mean, it's not like anyone important ever wrote smutty stuff.

Geoffery Chaucer wrote...

The window she undid, and that in haste.
"Have done," quoth she, "come off, and speed thee fast,
Lest that our neighebours should thee espy."
Then Absolon gan wipe his mouth full dry.
Dark was the night as pitch or as the coal,
And at the window she put out her hole,
And Absolon him fell ne bet ne werse,
But with his mouth he kiss'd her naked erse
Full savourly. When he was ware of this,
Aback he start, and thought it was amiss;
For well he wist a woman hath no beard.
He felt a thing all rough, and long y-hair'd,
And saide; "Fy, alas! what have I do?"
"Te he!" quoth she, and clapt the window to;
And Absolon went forth at sorry pace.

Modifié par Corker, 19 août 2010 - 03:02 .

[Addai]

JHByrne wrote...

Huh. I just won a 'Leliana's Song' entry, for 5 minutes of prose that I dashed off as a laugh.

Seems to me that this is 1) a computer game, 2) about homicidal sociopaths who run around and slaughter, well, everything, 3) with a sword or by lighting them on fire, exploding them, etc, 4) while trying to delay their own inevitable death.

What part of 'romance' ever enters into this? I just don't get why people would care who Alistair 'sleeps' with, who is 'paired' with whom, etc, etc.

I read somewhere that one or more of the posters here has written some 20,000 words for fanfiction... okay... but, where is it all going?

Don't read much fiction, do you?

Romantic subplots drive drama, and that holds true across pretty much all genres of fiction.  If fanfiction focuses a lot on the romance, it's because the main story arc is already defined, so what you're doing is coloring in between the lines.  Since the characters in Dragon Age are pulled out of most of their other primary relationships and thrown together, the romantic story lines are the primary ways in which to explore character.  That's how I see it, anyway.

Congrats on winning whatever it is you won, BTW.  Even though your main purpose for telling us seems to be to highbrow.  If so, I suggest you waste no further time telling other people what to do with their time and creativity.  The world needs your talent elsewhere and you're just wasting ego on a bunch of fanfiction nuts.

P.S. The taint in a Warden is not contagious.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[Sialater]

JH, if you really feel that way... why the hell did you play a game where you GET ACHIEVEMENTS FOR TAKING FOUR DIFFERENT CHARACTERS TO BED?

And FYI: I am a (professional) writer, meaning at some point, someone paid me real actual money (just not a lot of it) for my words. I write this stuff because writing begets writing. I have yet to suffer from true writer's block since I started writing fic because I give myself deadlines for each one I'm writing, plus deadlines for my own intellectual property.. The Rescue alone is up over 90K now.

I allow myself creative ADD and it keeps me going as long as I give it some sort of structure.


Oh, and Shadow:  That Z&A thing was gold.  LOL

Modifié par Sialater, 19 août 2010 - 03:34 .