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KSuri wrote...

Thanks for the welcome!!

Okay, doing a newbie Squee. I just noticed Shadow of the Light wrote "The Hunt". I just finished reading that the other night and let me tell you.....WOW! It's actually what inspired me to take a stab at writing my own fanfic. Though I'm doing it mostly just for fun...I'm glad my husband is tolerant of my geekness. :D


Good for you and welcome Suri.  It's important to do what makes you happy, especially if it promotes self-development.  It is also great to realise that you have a caring husband (in my experience, a lot of men quite like female geeks).  Anyway it's my 21st wedding anniversary today and I still got a card....<3

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I'll tell you why I think Alistair being a bisexual isn't a long stretch. When you are talking about the lamppost deal *winks* as a male he becomes very flustered at the end and says something to the effect of 'uh no need to rush things...' There are actually a few lines that have him flirting but flirting in itself isn't an indication of sexual interest because some men flirt with other men without any intentions; however, the way the lamppost conversation ends leaves a bit of a 'well maybe later vibe. My opinion and take on it of course. I don't expect everybody to agree :)

edit: What Alistair says is "I've.. no urge to rush into anything. We may not even survive what is to come, after all. Enough I don't want to talk about this anymore. Let's go."


I would tend to agree that it may not be such a long stretch.  I think Alistair leaving the Chantry is a bit of a blank canvass, like Miranda in the Tempest: "Oh brave new world that has such things in it...":kissing:

I think I should add I find Maxernst's gay Alistair pretty convincing....

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1)  Why a Landsmeet if there is nothing to decide?  If it is just a public celebration/parade fest after the Victory at Ostagar, is that truly a Landsmeet?

Of course.

2)  Cailan doesn't have the power to strip Loghain, despite provocation.  The point of Ferelden politics is careful balance, in this case, Loghain is the power (almost a shogun), Maric/Cailan is the legitimacy; together, they are able to dominate the collection of petty states that is Ferelden.  But, for the sake of a story, presume that such a thing does happen...

As King, Cailan probably does have the de jure power to do so. Certainly any Warden can be given Loghain's title, regardless of whether Loghain is still alive. De facto, however, is another thing. And, as I stressed, it was the rash action of a moment, not a deliberate.

3)  If Loghain takes the Army of Gwaren to the Orlesian border to safe-guard it, who guards Gwaren?  Who guards the supply wagons necessary to feed all those soldiers, up in the Frostbacks?  Such a plan would have to involve securing the supply route beforehand (such as by reoccupying the old Soldier's Peak forest, long since abandoned by the Wardens, 150 years previously).  If you look on the map, Soldier's Peak is just west of Howe's lands of Amaranthine, and just NE of Cousland's lands of Highever.  Before Log could even conceive of such a plan, he would have to secure both Highever and Amaranthine, with Soldier's Peak for reinforcement.  However, this would also serve to guarantee the northern coast of Ferelden (and supplies from Antiva) as well as secure the road from Denerim to the Mage's Tower. 

I was playing on the assumption that Gwaren is to the west, but it's actually irrelevant, since it can simply be excused as Loghain has supporters in the West who can feed his army there (which really doesn't have to sit on the border itself), while Gwaren is defended from where it is. There doesn't need to be a straight route from the port of Denerim to the Western border, since Denerim itself isn't the only means of supply.

With Howe's intervention in the Couslands, the North is thrown into chaos anyway.

4)  Why would Orlais fear Loghain?  Ferelden is held in contempt by most Orlesians.  Winning a war against an occupier is a different thing than winning a war of invasion, after all. 

Who says it fears him? It's an excuse to try and apply influence on Ferelden, while inflaming Ferelden's own political problems. Orlais can play the concerned party, Loghain points to them as justification for his actions, and Cailan finds himself needing Orlesian support even more.

5)  War between Cailan/Loghain:  skill only takes you so far.  Much of war is about logistics... who can feed & supply more people, more quickly.  Still, if Denerim falls, how does the army of Cailan eat?  You can't feed a giant Royal army if Cailan has no popular support.  If Orlais supplies help to Cailan, then that just proves that Loghain was right (it's hard to keep such support 'quiet' for long... supply wagons, after all, have to be driven by gossipy ox drovers, LOTS of them!).  Even if such a thing is possible, Orlais has to get supplies to Cailan in Ferelden across the Frostbacks, which means that the Dwarves now hold the key to the way, due to Orzammar's strategic location, and because a lot can be moved through the Deep Roads, IF they are secured.


The first thing I will say to you here is: step back. This isn't a real socieity, or a real world, nor was it ever portrayed to be super realistic. By all rights, the lack of logistics should have killed Ferelden in the Blight as well, but it didn't. Literature, and fantasy in particular, works best without lists of supplies. If you can point to a cover, it works well enough. And there are enough covers to pass with.

Denerim is not a food producer: Denerim is a food importer, and their are farmlands throughout the country. There are also many more ports than just Denerim, from which resupply (and Orlesian aid) can flow.

The Dwarves have never cared about who rules the surface outside of a Blight in the first place. But it's rather redundant, since Orlesian aid isn't going across the mountains. It would go by ships (through foreign ports even).


6)  Why would Howe betray Loghain?  He has nothing to gain, and much to lose.  It's not likely that Cailan would allow Howe to continue.  So, Howe could only profit if BOTH Loghain and Cailan die, which is not easy to do.

Because, in the context of the Civil War, Howe does have more to gain. (He's always had much to lose at any stage.) At a time when Cailan is lacking allies, may even be losing, Howe's offer is a 'I don't like it but I need his help'. Howe's always been a greedy man who's grasp exceeds his caution.

7)  If you're thinking of involving the Mother/Architect, these two thinking/talking DS would be smart enough to take advantage of the chaos or ally themselves with one side or another.  At the very least, the Mother/Architect would be wise enough to wait for the Human armies to actually engage in battle before making a move. 

The same applies for during the game, however, which neither intervened in. What the Awakened darkspawn might try, and what others would accept, are two different things. Sentient or not, they are still darkspawn, there are still grey wardens there to kill them, and at least one faction is actively hostile.

The Mother has never shown interest in any alliance with the surface: she and hers are just as vicious as the regular Darkspawn.

The Architect might try, but finding someone willing to work with him is another thing all together. We all remember how his first attempt at benign contact went. Whoever did ally with him and had darkspawn armies on their side, if they trusted him to any length, would instantly be branded a heretic of the worst order by the Chantry, and worse than that by the Wardens at large. Not to mention most of the populace would likely turn against them.

8)  All these little threads are very mixed together... you've got the beginnings of a 3 way or 5-way civil war.  What a mess. 

There's only a two-way civil war. Loghain vs. Cailan. Everyone else is just mixed in, trying to take advantage of it, or just doing their own thing.

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Raonar wrote...
Since you so obviously thought this out already, you should start on it;) If you do, you'll find that ideas will keep streaming out of your mind and some things may turn out differently because of how your characters develop. Trust me, it will happen. You'll want to write something, but then your haracters might say "nope, that's not what I want".

Not only am I compulsive planner, I am loath to start anything I know I will promptly drop when my next interest comes around. This is hardly the first major work I've chewed on in my head.

If FFN allowed outlines, I might consider just posting the planning pieces. I might do that some time anyways.

Though I am a bit biased and don't really like the idea of Howe being 'redeemed' in the worst possible way. Is he going to kill the Archdemon?

Yup.

"The Grey Wardens take everyone, from Kings to Kinslayers." And even Howe, who really only joined to save his own neck once his treachery was discovered, and then took the sacrifice when he realized he wouldn't be allowed to keep it anyway. It was his way of one last insult to everyone else: not only did he not get his just deserts for backstabbing everyone, but in two hundred years no one outside of Ferelden is likely to remember Teyrn Couseland or King Alistair and their bitter battle of the Landsmeet, but everyone will remember and honor Howe as some sort of sympathetic villain who ended the Blight. And his last words before killing the ArchDemon are still 'I deserved more.'

The Karmic Houdini is an infuriating character, but all the better remembered for his lack of accountability. It's more than he deserves, but I thought it was a great flair for screwing with much of the surviving cast. (Like, say, Noblise Oblige Couseland, who only submits at the Landsmeet to Alistair for the chance to kill Howe later.)

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Maria13 wrote...

Anyway it's my 21st wedding anniversary today and I still got a card....<3


Happy Anniversary! Congrats on 21 years, may you have many many more :)

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DreGregoire wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Anyway it's my 21st wedding anniversary today and I still got a card....<3


Happy Anniversary! Congrats on 21 years, may you have many many more :)


Thanks everso, sweetie...

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Hi all,

I have a differently structured "fanfic" which I would like to present for your entertainment - and also feedback - but I am unsure of how to do so.

So, I had a brilliant (in my opinion) idea for an NPC companion. I wrote him for the basic Dragon Age Origins game. He has a backstory and dialogue with the player and various other NPC companions. Despite tinkering around with the toolset, I'm never going to be able to make him - there are too many conditions on dialogue etc - and I totally don't have the smarts to put it all together. And if I put effort into finding someone else to make him, there is the whole DAII, no toolset issue, so what is the point? I could convert him into some kind of fanfic instead and at least a couple of people will then appreciate him. (?)

So, backstory will remain secret. (I'm trying to get his secrets across through dialogue.)

But then what? So I'd briefly write up the circumstances by which he met the player. Then, would I paste "a" conversation between player and he? (I say "a" because I had several player responses and possible paths.) Writing up dialogue between him and other NPC companions is easy (except where conditions are set by game events).

So, does this sound like an interesting thing to read? 
How would I present it within the structure of this forum? (sequentially, and in bite sized pieces so as to give my dude some mystery)


Here is a quick taste of Leliana/Andrei first dialogue. As an example.

L: You are a strange creature.
A: Is there something you require?
L: No, I'm curious. What does it feel like ... to be you?
A: I serve the Grey Wardens. My aim is true and my enchantments will be strong enough.
L: But what I mean is ... you have lost so much and yet you seem so ... I am lost for words. You are indeed a strange creature.
A: By our basic nature, we all seem strange to one another.
L. I ... apologize. I was being impolite.

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Maria13 wrote...

KSuri wrote...

Thanks for the welcome!!

Okay, doing a newbie Squee. I just noticed Shadow of the Light wrote "The Hunt". I just finished reading that the other night and let me tell you.....WOW! It's actually what inspired me to take a stab at writing my own fanfic. Though I'm doing it mostly just for fun...I'm glad my husband is tolerant of my geekness. :D


Good for you and welcome Suri.  It's important to do what makes you happy, especially if it promotes self-development.  It is also great to realise that you have a caring husband (in my experience, a lot of men quite like female geeks).  Anyway it's my 21st wedding anniversary today and I still got a card....<3


Congratulations on 21 years. :) AND *huzza* for yummy good husbands. I love being married, even if it makes it damned hard to get my Warden any action. Not to mention write anything down and show it to the man only to get "the face".

At the moment I'm at a loss at how to get chapter 6 of this ever increasing fanfic of mine started. Got the middle, got and ending (as of this writing) but the freaking start won't come! I ended with a meaningful conversation about the uninteded consequences of a personal actions and now I've got to follow through with the next step of that.

In short....my Warden is making a contract with Zevran who is now head of the Crows to find Alistair. More details can be found here....  http://www.fanfictio...ing_Old_Friends

I just can't seem to "get" a dailogue that would be mildly amusing, express that the price is great, and get the information across that Zevran will go to the Guild, location kept secret, to file the contract and get it up for bids. He also needs to go there for other reasons but that's unrelated at this point. Blarg!

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

For people who have written tear-jerker scenes...this might sound weird, but have you ever written something that made *you* get all misty while producing it?



Yes.  If you can't feel the emotions, how can you expect your readers to?



And congrats on 21 years, Maria!

Modifié par Sialater, 23 août 2010 - 01:04 .


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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

For people who have written tear-jerker scenes...this might sound weird, but have you ever written something that made *you* get all misty while producing it?


I have to read everything out loud before I post it and there was one chapter in particular that I could not make it through because I was heave sobbing. It was quite embarrassing, to be honest, but the response was well worth it.

Usually, though, it's just a little bit of tears.

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SurelyForth wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

For people who have written tear-jerker scenes...this might sound weird, but have you ever written something that made *you* get all misty while producing it?


I have to read everything out loud before I post it and there was one chapter in particular that I could not make it through because I was heave sobbing. It was quite embarrassing, to be honest, but the response was well worth it.

Usually, though, it's just a little bit of tears.



True, I still can't make it through my Shepard's funeral in Loved without tearing up.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Happens to me all the time. :) I think it's all part of getting into your characters. I tend to feel what they are feeling. It's Creepy. LOL


Thank the Maker I'm not the only one XD It's only happened to me once, and while I'm a self-confessed sap when it comes to crying in movies and books, I don't think I've ever done it while writing until recently...


Haven't gotten misty-eyed, but I have written some sad scenes that almost make my heart actually ache (I then also feel like a total jerkwad for putting characters through said sad scene Posted Image ).

What I find, more often than not and it's utterly hilarious, is that I feel guilty after writing nasty argument scenes. It's like after my Warden has finished with the verbal sparring, *I* feel bad and immediately want to write her going and making good with the character she was arguing with (even if it makes remotely no sense for her to do so, given the circumstances)... sometimes I just gotta walk away for a while so I don't go all OOC on my own Warden. lol Posted Image

I find I only really feel affected by it during the actual, initial scene-writing, though... not so much during the editing and re-reading time. Maybe because when I'm actually writing it, it's like seeing a scene in a movie for the first time... you may not be as affected by re-watching that scene later. *shrugs*

Then again, I am a particularly emotional creature by nature, and I also tend to drink adult beverages while writing, so that surely just compiles the issue. Posted Image

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Sialater wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

For people who have written tear-jerker scenes...this might sound weird, but have you ever written something that made *you* get all misty while producing it?



Yes.  If you can't feel the emotions, how can you expect your readers to?

I'm a huge sap.  I cried when writing about Tamlen's return as a shriek, and both of my Surana stories have made me cry.  I also teared up when writing my last one about Morrigan.

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SurelyForth wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

For people who have written tear-jerker scenes...this might sound weird, but have you ever written something that made *you* get all misty while producing it?


I have to read everything out loud before I post it and there was one chapter in particular that I could not make it through because I was heave sobbing. It was quite embarrassing, to be honest, but the response was well worth it.

Usually, though, it's just a little bit of tears.

I can think of a couple this might have been.  Posted Image

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@ Maria - Congratulations, 21 years is great. Toast to awesome husbands who support our geekness.



@Gil - *HUGS*. I am trying a switch to part time 3 days a week and every third week on call so I should only be working 35-40 hours a week and should be around more.



In reference to the crying about what I'm writing, not yet. I have a couple of chapters later in my fic that are really dark and sad, those might provoke it, but I rarely cry. Once in a while, when I read an evocative passage written by someone else I'll tear up- most recently Jenovan's latest knot in "Well Woven Net."

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I haven't actually cried while writing a sad part of one of my stories yet. But I also tend to go into "analysis mode" when I'm writing, and by the time it gets typed out I've been through it fifteen different ways in my head, so I think I desensitize myself by that point.



I have had a couple of instances where I put something out there and the reader response was pretty strong in terms of "that was very sad!" so hopefully I'm doing something right. I dunno. Maybe I'm secretly depressed all the time or something :)

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jenncgf wrote...

I haven't actually cried while writing a sad part of one of my stories yet. But I also tend to go into "analysis mode" when I'm writing, and by the time it gets typed out I've been through it fifteen different ways in my head, so I think I desensitize myself by that point.

I have had a couple of instances where I put something out there and the reader response was pretty strong in terms of "that was very sad!" so hopefully I'm doing something right. I dunno. Maybe I'm secretly depressed all the time or something :)


I think this is true in my case.  I spend so much time on how the scene is going to play out that I don't get the full impact of the words on the page.  When reading other people's stories I'm not distanced by the technical aspects of writing and I can feel the emotion.  Still sad is sad.  Am planning on breaking Zev a little bit again and am not looking forward to writing that.

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I haven't ever teared up with something I've written. Maybe I just don't write sad things?

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Random question time!

The Litany of Adralla - what's up with that?  I assume, from the word "litany" being all right there in its name, that its power comes from its recitation.  That is, the piece of paper upon which it is written is really beside the point. 

So... there's a magic litany which even non-mages can use that renders Blood Control totally ineffective.  Why isn't this taught in every Chantry and to every apprentice mage?

The best reason I can come up with is that the litany must contain information on blood magic - kind of understanding your enemy to defeat him - and the Chantry suppresses it for that reason.  That still seems kind of weaksauce.

Is it cheating to have NPCs learn the Litany of Adralla by heart?  Is the actual piece of paper important?  What's the deal?

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To add to that: if it really is a 'spell like any other' like Wynne insists, why isn't it restricted to mages? You are a mage yourself or you likely either have Wynne in your party or Morrigan got her killed.

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Maybe the litany is assumed to be read by one of the mages you (presumably) have in your part? The fact you, as the player, activate it where it's easiest is just assumed to be your ally being smart enough to do it for you. If you don't have a mage and have Alistair then maybe it's the Templar training.
????????

OR....it is indeed the parchment itself, made from mystical ingrediants and imbued the the power of the spell so that it doesn't matter who reads it. The words activate the paper.

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@Sarah, Wynne says that it's a spell? Oh, I missed that.



@KSuri, Mmm, but I think there's a cooldown on it. So if Wynne uses it and she's still cooling down when I need it again, I can switch over to another character and use it there. Or (like on my last playthrough) you can get everyone else in your party knocked unconscious and end up fighting Uldred on your own, hoping he doesn't try and make abominations faster than your litany cools down. o.o

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Of course, if it really is a spell like any other that doesn't explain why no one actually knows it and why Niall had to go rushing off to find it. Shouldn't knowing how to prevent blood magic domination be kind of, well, IMPORTANT?!?!

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Corker wrote...

@Sarah, Wynne says that it's a spell? Oh, I missed that.

@KSuri, Mmm, but I think there's a cooldown on it. So if Wynne uses it and she's still cooling down when I need it again, I can switch over to another character and use it there. Or (like on my last playthrough) you can get everyone else in your party knocked unconscious and end up fighting Uldred on your own, hoping he doesn't try and make abominations faster than your litany cools down. o.o


I was just thinking from a story perspective. I always think there is a lot that goes on the with the DA story that just left to the imagination of the player. The thing with the litany might be something like that.

As for actual gameplay, yeah there's a cool down and I've never tried switching it to another character. After failing at beating Uldred about 12 times I finally figured out how and when to use the Litany. *headdesk*

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Of course, if it really is a spell like any other that doesn't explain why no one actually knows it and why Niall had to go rushing off to find it. Shouldn't knowing how to prevent blood magic domination be kind of, well, IMPORTANT?!?!


Frankly I always worked off of the assumption that the mages in Ferelden had lost a lot of knowledge and know how because of all the interference from the Chantry. I just assumed Niall knew something that some of the other didn't, maybe read in that huge library of theirs.