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[Sandtigress]

Raonar wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Raonar wrote...

Don't think so...

Anyway, I finally got some constructive criticism and apparently I use too much ellipsis. And I checked and... I think it's true LOL.

BTW, does anyone know for sure how long the Warden is unconscious in Flemeth's hut? As in, how much time passes between getting struck down by the darkspawn in the Tower of Ishal and waking up naked with Morrigan in the room?

(By the gods, what did those two women do to you all that time?)

I dunno, but it was enough time that he was back in Denerim talking to the nobles by the time you got the Lothering, and for Bann Teagan to have arrived there probably from Rainesfaire...It takes about 2 weeks (averaging about 17 miles travel per day) to get from Ostagar to Denerim - I imagine an army would travel slower but maybe Loghain went on ahead.

Lothering to Denerim is about 10 days travel, we know that Loghain passed through there before you.  So I guess I'd have to guess at least a week passed between the events at the Tower and Flemeth's hut.

AHA, excellent, my estimate as well, I just needed a confirmation.

I'm starting on chapter 15, the one where Gwenith Cousland and Alistair go through the 'Flemeth hut episode' and I needed to know how much time it was until they could get to Lothering, so that I could properly plan how, where and when they meet up with the others (CE, DC, Elf Mage and DE).

EDIT

So basically... about a month between Tower and Lothering yes?

Seems like at least 10 days minimum, maybe up to a month depending on where you place Teagan at the time.  Loghain's in Denerim by the time you get to Lothering, so he's at least 10 days ahead of you.

[Raonar]

I've decided to have my wardens stay in Lothering until the Darkspawn attack, to help with the evacuation (though the real reason they stay there so long is still a secret for now).

EDIT

Ok,so 2 weeks unconscious, but I don't thing it takes so long to get from ostagar to Lothering. When Cailan shows up in Ostagar, Duncan says that Redcliffe forces can be there in less than a week.

So I made it a few days between Lothering and Ostagar... so almost a month between Tower and Lothering then. Which sounds quite fine and more than enough for what I need.

I wonder if I should have my characters meet Hawke? Foreshadowing for a future DA:2 fanfic that I will probably never write?

Modifié par Raonar, 24 août 2010 - 07:09 .

[maxernst]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.

Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 

[LupusYondergirl]

maxernst wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.

Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 

True, I forgot about the vigiles urbani, they were an actual government-controled entity.  (been a long time since latin class) 
Although since Ferelden is sort of medieval, it may be that a country like Tevinter HAD police in their glory day, but since they were defeated and their empire dismantled nothing so organized exists anymore.
Hm.  I like that idea, actually.  Tevinter as old rome, complete with the roads still running all over the place, falling into rot and ruin since no one knows how to fix them anymore...  The devs do compare them to the Byzantine empire, so that would fit.

All roads lead to Minrathous?

[KSuri]

maxernst wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.

Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 

I think I'm leaning toward making the guard belong to a Lord Mayor. Someone who can have broader ties within the city. It would also make it easier to tie in with some of the plot. Thanks for the different explainations and ideas.

[maxernst]

KSuri wrote...

maxernst wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.

Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 

I think I'm leaning toward making the guard belong to a Lord Mayor. Someone who can have broader ties within the city. It would also make it easier to tie in with some of the plot. Thanks for the different explainations and ideas.

A lord mayor (or a podesta ) appointed by the powerful families in the city makes sense if we're viewing Antiva as analogous to an independent commune in Italy.

[KSuri]

maxernst wrote...

KSuri wrote...

maxernst wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.

Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 

I think I'm leaning toward making the guard belong to a Lord Mayor. Someone who can have broader ties within the city. It would also make it easier to tie in with some of the plot. Thanks for the different explainations and ideas.

A lord mayor (or a podesta ) appointed by the powerful families in the city makes sense if we're viewing Antiva as analogous to an independent commune in Italy.

That's kind of the impression I got about Antiva from following some discussions and looking online. I tried to do some reading last night about renassaince Italy but wasn't finding what I wanted. I want something reasonably believable but (honestly) didn't want to take myself too seriously. This fanfic was just supposed to be for fun and it's starting to take on a life of its own. I thought I'd be to the meat of the matter but I'm still messing around in Antiva with Zevran.>.<

[jackkel dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

All roads lead to Minrathous?

Maybe. Look at the map of Thedas on the DAO page (it's a wallpaper.) It's kinda in a corner. The Imperial Highways all lead to Minrathous, though. To bad they're all--you know--broken.

Warden: You're collecting tolls?
Bandit: It's for the upkeep of the Imperial Highway! ...It's a bit of a mess, isn't it?

[DreGregoire]

[quote]jackkel dragon wrote...


Warden: You're collecting tolls?
Bandit: It's for the upkeep of the Imperial Highway! ...It's a bit of a mess, isn't it?[/quote][/quote]

Warden: In that case you should charge more.
Bandit: You want to pay more...

hehe

[Sarah1281]

DreGregoire wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...


Warden: You're collecting tolls?
Bandit: It's for the upkeep of the Imperial Highway! ...It's a bit of a mess, isn't it? 

Warden: In that case you should charge more.
Bandit: You want to pay more...

hehe

I wish you could actually have an idiot Warden and pay him more...

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 août 2010 - 09:42 .

[DreGregoire]

Sarah1281 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...


Warden: You're collecting tolls?
Bandit: It's for the upkeep of the Imperial Highway! ...It's a bit of a mess, isn't it? 

Warden: In that case you should charge more.
Bandit: You want to pay more...

hehe

I wish you could actually have an idiot Warden and pay him more...

What the elves in the alienage isn't enough for you? LOL

Begger one:  We're both veterans.
Begger Two: I'm an orphan.

I can't help myself I just keep giving them money! LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 24 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[Sarah1281]

DreGregoire wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...


Warden: You're collecting tolls?
Bandit: It's for the upkeep of the Imperial Highway! ...It's a bit of a mess, isn't it? 

Warden: In that case you should charge more.
Bandit: You want to pay more...

hehe

I wish you could actually have an idiot Warden and pay him more...

What the elves in the alienage isn't enough for you? LOL

Begger one:  We're both veterans.
Begger Two: I'm an orphan.

I can't help myself I just keep giving them money! LOL

They amuse me. If I'm going to shell out five sovereigns to the boring old Revered Mother to help try and evacuate non-entertaining refugees then I don't see why I can't give, say, thirty silvers to the bandits who can have some nice lines.

[jackkel dragon]

Looks like I'm not the only one who loved those bandits and "orphans."

[maxernst]

Since this thread seems to be open to posing all questions related to fan fics, I have one. I was planning to work in a character from Nevarra, which I know very little about. I was considering a backstory involving an honor killing over a non-virgin bride. Is that possible in Nevarran culture or is there something in the lore that would contradict that? If it isn't, is there somewhere in Thedas where something like that could happen?

[SurelyForth]

Granted I don't know a ton, but my understanding is that Navarrans are Andrastian. There's no indication that they would be any more into honor-killings than any other Andrastian nation.



Perhaps Rivain?

[Sarah1281]

Navarrans are Andrastrians although according to the Wiki they entomb their dead rather than bury it. Can we get more information on this honor killing? Is a bride accused of not being a virgin and the bride's family defends her honor from, say, the groom? Is the person who took her virginity being killed by her family or groom? Is there any religious involvement?

[maxernst]

I thought about the Andrastean angle, but while women seem to have higher social status in general in Thedas than they did in medieval Europe (perhaps for religious reasons), it's still a world where the chevaliers in Orlais apparently have carte blanche to rape women (well, as long as they're commoners I suppose). So I think that a very conservative Andrastean culture could have them, so probably not Orlais or Antiva, but don't know about the rest. I thought about Rivain, but I didn't want the character to be that dark-skinned. I suppose you could grow up in Rivain without being Rivain in origin.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Navarrans are Andrastrians although according to the Wiki they entomb their dead rather than bury it. Can we get more information on this honor killing? Is a bride accused of not being a virgin and the bride's family defends her honor from, say, the groom? Is the person who took her virginity being killed by her family or groom? Is there any religious involvement?

The story as I see it involves being killed by the groom (who is not punishd) without religious involvement, while the squire (who was involved with the bride in question) was sought for punishment.  The groom is very high nobility or royalty, so that's an additional factor to consider...it doesn't have to be the normal way of things.

The squire is spared by the right of conscription and spirited out of the country so he can avoid the wrath of the bride's family.

Modifié par maxernst, 25 août 2010 - 12:17 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Well, dwarven culture has the Provings for honour disputes, and they can be to the death. I don't see why your scenario couldn't work in Orzammar, or maybe even Kal-Sharok(sp?).



If you don't mind delving into a non-human nation, that is.



You could try for the Free Marches. The city-states theoretically have their own laws, and while I assume there's a strong Andrastian sentiment for historic/timeline reasons, that doesn't mean the Chantry is present everywhere.



Tevinter has it's own Chantry rule, but the magisters are the true power. I reckon if one of them got angry about a bride not being 'pure' he'd have no trouble whatsoever blasting someone to pieces over it.



Finally, the island of Llomerryn is supposed to be pretty lawless, like a pirate isle kinda deal. I think it's a mix of (southern non-qunari) Rivain and Antiva.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Just remembering Ser Landry in DA:O, a Ferelden knight - he calls the PC out for an honour duel in Denerim. Having just read your most recent post, if the groom was assured his bride was virgin before agreeing to the marriage, and if he was a knight or chevalier, he could (I assume legally) call a duel.



(What if the squire was HIS squire? o_O Might be too nasty...)

[Sarah1281]

Okay, off topic but Ser Landry reminded me of Lady Landra (similar names and whatnot) and the wiki insists that she's the wife of Bann Loren...in other words, the guy who was keeping Cailan's honor guard who gives you the key for Return to Ostagar prisoner. We can assume that this means that he's on Loghain/Howe's side, right? But he lost a wife AND son at Highever when Howe attacked. Does he really believe whatever story Howe spun about what happened (I think he accused them of being traitors? That's what he says to the HN when he and Loghain greet you at Denerim) or did he just not care about his wife and son?



It really doesn't make much sense no matter how 'unpleasant' the game informs you you know Loren's reputation to be.

[mousestalker]

Possibly a quid pro quo between Bann Loren and Howe. I kill your wife for you so you guard/kill inconvenient witnesses for me.

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Okay, off topic but Ser Landry reminded me of Lady Landra (similar names and whatnot) and the wiki insists that she's the wife of Bann Loren...in other words, the guy who was keeping Cailan's honor guard who gives you the key for Return to Ostagar prisoner. We can assume that this means that he's on Loghain/Howe's side, right? But he lost a wife AND son at Highever when Howe attacked. Does he really believe whatever story Howe spun about what happened (I think he accused them of being traitors? That's what he says to the HN when he and Loghain greet you at Denerim) or did he just not care about his wife and son?

It really doesn't make much sense no matter how 'unpleasant' the game informs you you know Loren's reputation to be.

I'm going with him caring more about coming out of the war on top than the deaths of his son and wife. I've decided to pretend that Lady Landra didn't even live with him. Iona lives in the Alienage, which indicates to me that Landra is in Denerim most of the time. From there, I also decided that Dairren was not exactly the sort of son a man like Bann Loren would appreciate. It's all conjecture, but it's really the only way I can make Bann Loren mentioned in the HN origin fit with RtO Bann Loren.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 août 2010 - 01:06 .

[maxernst]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Just remembering Ser Landry in DA:O, a Ferelden knight - he calls the PC out for an honour duel in Denerim. Having just read your most recent post, if the groom was assured his bride was virgin before agreeing to the marriage, and if he was a knight or chevalier, he could (I assume legally) call a duel.

(What if the squire was HIS squire? o_O Might be too nasty...)

I actually have the squire being the bride's brother's squire, which is bad enough, I think...and I kind of want to keep the idea of there being a significant disparity in power between him and the groom...

Thinking about it, maybe a particularly conservative city state in the Free Marches would work, though Llormerryn's an interesting idea.  I could even paper over what I've already written by saying that the Warden claims to be from Nevarra, but is actually from Llormerryn.  Would Rivain have an ambassador at the court in Val Royeaux?  I think of Orlais as being a very cosmopolitan place, but I don't know if that would extend to non-Andrasteans.

[Corker]

maxernst wrote...

The story as I see it involves being killed by the groom (who is not punishd) without religious involvement, while the squire (who was involved with the bride in question) was sought for punishment.  The groom is very high nobility or royalty, so that's an additional factor to consider...it doesn't have to be the normal way of things.

I'd avoid calling it an 'honor killing' because of the modern cultural baggage that comes with that phrase.  Certainly medieval literature has its share of jealous husbands killing unfaithful wives and/or their lovers.  I think it shows up several times in "The Decameron," and often the husband is depicted as legally entitled to do it.  Camelot falls over adultery; both Guenevere and Lancelot were supposed to be executed (in Malory, anyway).  (Of course, their relationship was treason as well as simple adultery, which had something to do with it.)

But I think you've got good precedent for using it as a literary device.