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DreGregoire

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SurelyForth wrote...

I'm going with him caring more about coming out of the war on top than the deaths of his son and wife. I've decided to pretend that Lady Landra didn't even live with him. Iona lives in the Alienage, which indicates to me that Landra is in Denerim most of the time. From there, I also decided that Dairren was not exactly the sort of son a man like Bann Loren would appreciate. It's all conjecture, but it's really the only way I can make Bann Loren mentioned in the HN origin fit with RtO Bann Loren.


I believe there is more than one alienage, meaning Denerim doesn't have the only one. I always took Iona to mean the Alienage where they are from, but I guess they could have lived in Denerim. That wasn't my impression though :)

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DreGregoire wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm going with him caring more about coming out of the war on top than the deaths of his son and wife. I've decided to pretend that Lady Landra didn't even live with him. Iona lives in the Alienage, which indicates to me that Landra is in Denerim most of the time. From there, I also decided that Dairren was not exactly the sort of son a man like Bann Loren would appreciate. It's all conjecture, but it's really the only way I can make Bann Loren mentioned in the HN origin fit with RtO Bann Loren.


I believe there is more than one alienage, meaning Denerim doesn't have the only one. I always took Iona to mean the Alienage where they are from, but I guess they could have lived in Denerim. That wasn't my impression though :)

The reason people think she lived in Denerim? You see her crying daughter with her name in yellow when you go the the Denerim one and she says something about her mother being at Highever.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm going with him caring more about coming out of the war on top than the deaths of his son and wife. I've decided to pretend that Lady Landra didn't even live with him. Iona lives in the Alienage, which indicates to me that Landra is in Denerim most of the time. From there, I also decided that Dairren was not exactly the sort of son a man like Bann Loren would appreciate. It's all conjecture, but it's really the only way I can make Bann Loren mentioned in the HN origin fit with RtO Bann Loren.


I believe there is more than one alienage, meaning Denerim doesn't have the only one. I always took Iona to mean the Alienage where they are from, but I guess they could have lived in Denerim. That wasn't my impression though :)

The reason people think she lived in Denerim? You see her crying daughter with her name in yellow when you go the the Denerim one and she says something about her mother being at Highever.


Heh you are totally right I forgot all about that poor little lass :(

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It seems like some nobles spend most of their time in Denerim. I think I'll just move there one day and drink my life away in a tavern. Hmmm maybe I'll put in drinking and wenching in Denerim in one of my stories. LOL.

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KSuri wrote...

maxernst wrote...

KSuri wrote...

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LupusYondergirl wrote...

Maybe guards belonging to whoever rules that specific city? If the whole nation is broken into city states there might not be a unified army, but each region may have their own defense forces.

I'd go with guards, though. An actual police force, as we'd think of it, didn't really exist until the enlightenment or so IRL, I'd be surprised if Thedas is that much further ahead.


Ancient Rome had the vigiles who were mostly analogous to the police, though they also fought fires.  In feudal states, there wasn't necessarily any distinction between the military forces of whatever lord ruled a city, the city guard and law enforcement.  In Spain, they had hermandades which were associations of private citizens...sort of vigilante groups, really.  That might be a plausible model to follow for Antiva. 


I think I'm leaning toward making the guard belong to a Lord Mayor. Someone who can have broader ties within the city. It would also make it easier to tie in with some of the plot. Thanks for the different explainations and ideas. ^_^


A lord mayor (or a podesta ) appointed by the powerful families in the city makes sense if we're viewing Antiva as analogous to an independent commune in Italy.


That's kind of the impression I got about Antiva from following some discussions and looking online. I tried to do some reading last night about renassaince Italy but wasn't finding what I wanted. I want something reasonably believable but (honestly) didn't want to take myself too seriously. This fanfic was just supposed to be for fun and it's starting to take on a life of its own. I thought I'd be to the meat of the matter but I'm still messing around in Antiva with Zevran.>.<


I have never seen anybody say it is exactly like anything just that it is similiar to a certain society. Those are given as frame of reference not as a statement of this is the exact system used. So just using the basics of that system should be fine.

Here's a line from David in regards to this (from praise for zev and a question post):

"None of the Thedas nations are directly analogous to anything in medieval history, nor are they meant to be, but I think I can be pretty certain where their inspirations were drawn from."

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maxernst wrote...
Thinking about it, maybe a particularly conservative city state in the Free Marches would work, though Llormerryn's an interesting idea.  I could even paper over what I've already written by saying that the Warden claims to be from Nevarra, but is actually from Llormerryn.  Would Rivain have an ambassador at the court in Val Royeaux?  I think of Orlais as being a very cosmopolitan place, but I don't know if that would extend to non-Andrasteans.


I know very little about Rivain, except that they're definitely not Andrastians and the northern part is under qunari occupation. Where government is concerned...I don't know. :/ The Codex entry for Rivain makes it sound like the country is deeply rooted in spirituality and prophecy, but has no mention of how the country is run or if there's even a central power that would bother to send ambassadors.

I suppose using the Chasind or other wilder tribes wouldn't work?

Sarah1281 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm going with him caring more about coming out of the war on top than the deaths of his son and wife. I've decided to pretend that Lady Landra didn't even live with him. Iona lives in the Alienage, which indicates to me that Landra is in Denerim most of the time. From there, I also decided that Dairren was not exactly the sort of son a man like Bann Loren would appreciate. It's all conjecture, but it's really the only way I can make Bann Loren mentioned in the HN origin fit with RtO Bann Loren.


I believe there is more than one alienage, meaning&nbsp;Denerim doesn't have the only one. I always took Iona to mean the Alienage where they are from, but I guess they could have lived in Denerim. That wasn't my impression though :)

The reason people think she lived in Denerim?&nbsp;You&nbsp;see her crying daughter with her name in yellow when you go the the Denerim one and she says something about her mother being at Highever.


Highever does indeed have it's own alienage (it's mentioned in the CE origin -- that's where the CE's intended comes from, actually), but yeah, I think SurelyForth and Sarah are right. It looks like most, if not all nobles have estates in the capital. In one ending, Isolde says she wants to remain living in Arl Eamon's Denerim estate and not return to Redcliffe, so it also makse sense a noble or noblewoman could use it as a permanent residence, as SF suggested.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

 We can assume that this means that he's on Loghain/Howe's side, right? But he lost a wife AND son at Highever when Howe attacked. Does he really believe whatever story Howe spun about what happened (I think he accused them of being traitors? That's what he says to the HN when he and Loghain greet you at Denerim) or did he just not care about his wife and son?


If he believes Howe or not I don't really know, but I think I would be really pissed off at the Couslands if my wife and son got killed at their castle. The reason why is because you would assume being Fereldens that they would be able to defend their visitors. I know what happened and the reasons for it because I played the origins, but I can totally understand a person wanting to seek retribution for what he sees as betrayal. He wasn't there he didn't see it go down. Why would he believe Howe would lie anymore than the Couslands could believe that Howe would betray them. :)

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Well, the game really makes it seem like the Couslands were the only ones who actually liked Howe...

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Even Loghain didn't seem to like him.

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Haha, I just got an unsigned review that said "dirty cliffy" and thought at first that they were being rude and pornographic...



Took me a couple of minutes to realise they meant "cliffhanger" :).

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Miri1984 wrote...

Haha, I just got an unsigned review that said "dirty cliffy" and thought at first that they were being rude and pornographic...

Took me a couple of minutes to realise they meant "cliffhanger" :).

I don't get it...Posted Image

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Don't get why I thought it was being pornographic? Just the way it read I guess :).

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Dirty minds think alike?

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Since this thread seems to be open to posing all questions related to fan fics, I have one. I was planning to work in a character from Nevarra, which I know very little about. I was considering a backstory involving an honor killing over a non-virgin bride. Is that possible in Nevarran culture or is there something in the lore that would contradict that? If it isn't, is there somewhere in Thedas where something like that could happen?

I read somewhere that Nevarra is patterned after Prussia, if that helps.  It probably doesn't.  Posted Image  On topic, sexual mores in Thedas seem pretty loosened, and in fact even medieval Europe was not puritanical in this regard.  You just paid your fine for having a child out of wedlock and moved on.  So I would say that if something like this occurred, it would be more personal and not societal in nature, IOW a jealous father/ betrothed who flipped out.  In that case you could set it wherever you like.

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Addai67 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Since this thread seems to be open to posing all questions related to fan fics, I have one. I was planning to work in a character from Nevarra, which I know very little about. I was considering a backstory involving an honor killing over a non-virgin bride. Is that possible in Nevarran culture or is there something in the lore that would contradict that? If it isn't, is there somewhere in Thedas where something like that could happen?

I read somewhere that Nevarra is patterned after Prussia, if that helps.  It probably doesn't.  Posted Image  On topic, sexual mores in Thedas seem pretty loosened, and in fact even medieval Europe was not puritanical in this regard.  You just paid your fine for having a child out of wedlock and moved on.  So I would say that if something like this occurred, it would be more personal and not societal in nature, IOW a jealous father/ betrothed who flipped out.  In that case you could set it wherever you like.


I guess it doesn't really have to be the whole society viewing it as acceptable as long as it would be acceptable behavior for the outraged groom--and powerful nobles could get away with a lot in these sorts of societies.  Unfortunately, I hadn't read the thing about medieval Prussia and I gave the character a spanish name (thinking Nevarra corresponded to Navarra/medieval Christian Spain), so that might be a better fit for Rivain and the idea of using the wild island of Llormerryn proposed by SOLD.

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Anybody else squee when they heard the Morrigan DLC? Made me super excited to be still in the beginning of my Blight timeline FF so I'll be able to incorporate some of its lore into my story eventually. I really hope it explains SOMETHING about the OGB (who doesn't?). But even more than that I am ecstatic to see a Dalish warrior as I assume a party member for it - The Dalish is a people I really really want to learn more about, so hopefully she'll bring in some interesting Dalish lore......

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lol And hopefully I won't have to retcon any of the lore I've had to shape around what we know....I haven't really made up that much on my own there, more like tweaked what we've been given a bit so hopefully I'm okay! I hadn't thought about that angle on it. >.>

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Hmm, I wonder if it'll work to import a character that didn't romance her, or one that didn't do the DR at all.

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Since my canon has Loghain doing Awakening and this new DLC seems to take place after that, I wonder how a Loghain-Morrigan reunion would go...

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@Raonar, I hope so. My only Warden who'd want to go look for her is the m!Surana who heard a rumor that she might have been pregnant with his (non-DR) baby. DR-Warden is running away from it all as fast as she can, WC-Warden thinks Morrigan can talk to the hand after what she pulled, and US-Warden... well.

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Just saw the announcement for the Witch Hunt DLC. Well, I guess that makes my fic AU now. Oh well. I might retool a few things after I play the DLC, but I don't plan on making any major changes to it.

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maxernst wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Just remembering Ser Landry in DA:O, a Ferelden knight - he calls the PC out for an honour duel in Denerim. Having just read your most recent post, if the groom was assured his bride was virgin before agreeing to the marriage, and if he was a knight or chevalier, he could (I assume legally) call a duel.

(What if the squire was HIS squire? o_O Might be too nasty...)


I actually have the squire being the bride's brother's squire, which is bad enough, I think...and I kind of want to keep the idea of there being a significant disparity in power between him and the groom...

Thinking about it, maybe a particularly conservative city state in the Free Marches would work, though Llormerryn's an interesting idea.  I could even paper over what I've already written by saying that the Warden claims to be from Nevarra, but is actually from Llormerryn.  Would Rivain have an ambassador at the court in Val Royeaux?  I think of Orlais as being a very cosmopolitan place, but I don't know if that would extend to non-Andrasteans.


Perhaps not an ambassador but what about a commercial representative...

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Ugh Morrigan DLC... Was I the only one that thought Leliana's Song was a bit cheap? I mean the featureless mage was called "Sketch" like they couldn't be bothered to fill him out? The dwarf died, it all took place in Ferelden...

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Maria13 wrote...

Ugh Morrigan DLC... Was I the only one that thought Leliana's Song was a bit cheap? I mean the featureless mage was called "Sketch" like they couldn't be bothered to fill him out? The dwarf died, it all took place in Ferelden...

The Morrigan one will also take place here but at least there will hopefully be a reason she's returned instead of Leliana just up and changing the country this took place in during two different renditions of the tale. I also hope we don't get any DLC-specific companions because they've all been really bland and generic so far.

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Maria13 wrote...

 I mean the featureless mage was called "Sketch" like they couldn't be bothered to fill him out?


Drawing sketches was his hobby, and I guess it became his handle.