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[Raonar]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Is it just me or is it kind of depressing when you realize that someone on ff.net took your story off of their favorites list? I don't care if it never makes it but if they take it off then I tend to freak out about what I've done recently to make them hate it...

*has just noticed this very thing*

Edit: And it's even worse if they're a regular reviewer and one chapter they were talking about wanting to see something that would happen in the future and then the next chapter...mysterious silent hatred/apathy.

Hmm, well, maybe it wasn't him/her, maybe a malicious step/half-brother hyjacked his/her account and messed up with it just to stop him/her from reading fanfiction.

Or parents... who knows? Lots of people think fanficiton, reading or writing, is a waste of time. So... this COULD happen.

Not that I want to give you any false hopes mind you...

EDIT

*Forgoes hugging and jumps straight to the drinking*

*hands Sarah Oghren's special brew*

Modifié par Raonar, 26 août 2010 - 10:35 .

[mousestalker]

@Sarah1281. The only thing I know to do is repeat the manatra: "Don't take it personally". It doesn't really help, but that's about all that you can do.



On another topic, my latest bit of flash is weird little piece of whimsy that I dreamed last night. I'm holding PBS to blame for all my recent bad ideas.

[KSuri]

@Sara, don't take it personally. It could be something as simple as having too many subscriptions and not being able to keep up with them all so it was just a pruning.



On a different note...Anyone know if there is a Grey Warden presence in the Free Marches of Antiva? Like a garrison or other permanent station. I couldn't find anything online about an outpost in that area.

[LupusYondergirl]

I'm pretty sure there would be. They were supposed to be in every country, that's why it was so strange Ferelden banned them for so long. The wiki said they maintain a presence in "most other nations." It seems like the only place they wouldn't be is Seheron and Par Vollen since Sten's conversation seems to imply that while they have heard of grey wardens in his home, they don't actually exist as an order there.

[Raonar]

OK, important (albeit random) question. Blame Corker for this...

Harrowmont says Bhelen will be forcing a vote in two days when he sends you after Branka.

I mean, like WHAT? You're supposed to travel through the deep roads, and return, in two days? Game mechanics or no, the Deep Roads are supposed to be HUGE.

And no one has any idea where Branka is, and it took months to find Cariing's cross.

Any of you have trouble seeing logic in this?

Modifié par Raonar, 26 août 2010 - 07:52 .

[jackkel dragon]

Deep roads timeline = 2 days = BS!



'Nuff said.

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

OK, important (albeit random) question. Blame Corker for this...

Harrowmont says Bhelen will be forcing a vote in two days when he sends you after Branka.

I mean, like WHAT? You're supposed to travel through the deep roads, and return, in two days? Game mechanics or no, the Deep Roads are supposed to be HUGE.

And no one has any idea where Branka is, and it took months to find Cariing's cross.

Any of you have trouble seeing logic in this?

There was a debate on that in the first dwarf thread a few months back. I think the consensus was that the vote was called for so that was when the session you interrupt with your return started but there have been a ton of delays and stalling so it hasn't happened. The question, of course, is how long could they reasonably be able to stall for? It seems like you returned just in the nick of time. The first part of the journey should be fairly straightforward as Bhelen and Harrowmont have been scouting it for quite some time and so you just follow the map.

One thing that I don't get about the situation is why it's the same cutscene when you side with Bhelen as with Harrowmont upon your return. I mean, I can understand it being easier to do so but non-game mechanics-wise it doesn't make any sense. If you side with Harrowmong then it makes sense that he's stalling and annoying Bhelen. If you side with Bhelen someone theorized that his support was strong enough that he doesn't actually need you to find Branka and wants you out of the way in case you change your mind or whatever and so he breaks his promise about trying to stall. What doesn't make sense is why, if you sided with Bhelen and didn't turn double agent, Harrowmont still stalls.

[Sandtigress]

Heh in my timelines they were down there for at least a month or two. Two days is definitely not doable.

[LupusYondergirl]

I have to agree. If a thaig is the size of a small city that could take a full day to cross on foot, or more. It also strikes me as unlikely they would have been built one on top of the other. It seems like it should take weeks to just reach the anvil, and you're constantly fighting darkspawn all the while which would certainly delay you.



I'd imagine a month to be just about the fastest you can get in, find the anvil, and get back.



But, politics being as they are, it isn't unrealistic for a hotly contested measure to be debated that long, or longer.

[Raonar]

I'll make it two or three weeks I think. Plus three days prior to leaving, because my DN will have to do something, to set some things in motion and get Trian to do as he says (ah yes, that will be interesting).

Modifié par Raonar, 26 août 2010 - 08:23 .

[Maria13]

KSuri wrote...

@Sara, don't take it personally. It could be something as simple as having too many subscriptions and not being able to keep up with them all so it was just a pruning.

On a different note...Anyone know if there is a Grey Warden presence in the Free Marches of Antiva? Like a garrison or other permanent station. I couldn't find anything online about an outpost in that area.

The fourth blight was ended 400 years before the start of the game by an elven GW called Galadrial in Antiva... So I guess the answer is yes...

[Raonar]

Maria13 wrote...

KSuri wrote...

@Sara, don't take it personally. It could be something as simple as having too many subscriptions and not being able to keep up with them all so it was just a pruning.

On a different note...Anyone know if there is a Grey Warden presence in the Free Marches of Antiva? Like a garrison or other permanent station. I couldn't find anything online about an outpost in that area.

The fourth blight was ended 400 years before the start of the game by an elven GW called Galadrial in Antiva... So I guess the answer is yes...

Actually, I think he was called Garahel

GaladriEl was the Lady of Lothlorien in Lord of the Rings.

[Sarah1281]

You know, there are a lot of people who think that the lot of the elves will improve because they have an elven Warden but Garahel was an elf and did that help his people any? It really doesn't seem like it. Or if it did I kind of don't want to know what it was like BEFORE.

[LupusYondergirl]

It may be a localized effect. Ayesleigh is right on the Antiva/Rivain border, and it's said Rivain has far better relations between humans and elves than the rest of Thedas. (Although I would guess elves don't have it much better in Antiva than they do in Ferelden, from what Zevran says)

[Maria13]

Raonar wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

KSuri wrote...

@Sara, don't take it personally. It could be something as simple as having too many subscriptions and not being able to keep up with them all so it was just a pruning.

On a different note...Anyone know if there is a Grey Warden presence in the Free Marches of Antiva? Like a garrison or other permanent station. I couldn't find anything online about an outpost in that area.

The fourth blight was ended 400 years before the start of the game by an elven GW called Galadrial in Antiva... So I guess the answer is yes...

Actually, I think he was called Garahel


GaladriEl was the Lady of Lothlorien in Lord of the Rings.

Aye.   Bedtime, methinks...  Sleep well all...

Modifié par Maria13, 26 août 2010 - 09:57 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Firky wrote...

Oh God. I just posted less than 4000 words and that would freak .. me .. out. I am very impressed with how you guys a) write so many words and cope with people judging such a large thing that you love so much. This forum is a really supportive place.

*applause* Congrats. a) so long as the motivation/inspiration remains strong, I can write forever, I admit I sometime sleep poorly after posting a chapter, fretting over reader response (or lack thereof). I didn't used to in the earlier chapters.

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Ayesleigh is right on the Antiva/Rivain border, and it's said Rivain has
far better relations between humans and elves than the rest of Thedas.
(Although I would guess elves don't have it much better in Antiva than
they do in Ferelden, from what Zevran says)

Rivain is partially under qunari rule, the rest doesn't follow or hasn't even heard of the Chantry, and their religion of various gods isn't that different from the Dalish. No elven subjugation, I assume, whereas Antiva definitely has the Chantry.

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You know, there are a lot of people who think that the lot of the elves will improve because they have an elven Warden but Garahel was an elf and did that help his people any? It really doesn't seem like it. Or if it did I kind of don't want to know what it was like BEFORE.

Yeah, I don't think it would help a heck of a lot, especially if Anora was queen. If Alistair is king though, he personally tries to set in motion things to help - appointing elves to his council, etc.  And with an elven Warden as Arl/Arlessa, I can see some improvements being made in the way people see elves.  Additionally, if the Warden is Dalish, then I see relations with the Dalish people being furthered if one of their own is arl/arlessa.

Even still, I think general change in Ferelden would be slow - people would always look down on the elven Warden even while they are looking up to them for slaying the archdemon, and I don't know that the elven people as a whole would be in much better position.  I think the growth would be isolated - i.e. Alistair and the few nobles he could convince that it was a good thing (i.e. Teagan, maybe Fergus, a few of their supporters) and then a few of the commonfolk as the reputation of the Warden spread on a personal level.

The fact that Garahel died makes a difference, I think - there was no opportunity to put an elf into power that would actually have some umph behind it like the Warden, who is a living hero.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I wonder if Garahel was a city elf or Dalish?



I think Sandtigress is right about the death bit though...he might have been honoured for his sacrifice, but that doesn't exactly put him into a position to benefit his people beyond ending the Blight. An elven Warden who survived and was honoured by the king/queen might have more weight, especially if they ask for political power and then use that power wisely.



Of course, it seems whatever the elven Warden asks for is moot by the time of DA2. It seems that no matter what happened, things aren't going well in Ferelden and the alienage in Denerim is still largely unrepaired since the siege. :/ So much for becoming/electing a bann or whatever.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, Awakening is immediately post-Origins. Building Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine with all sorts of aid and foreign support is a matter of years, while the Alienage is a lot poorer with a lot less in a much shorter time frame. Don't think that it doesn't matter: think that it hasn't changed yet.

Is Teagan even pro-elf? I though he married whichever of the Redcliffe girls you gave the maximum move-to-Denerim money to.

Personally I'd find it Dark Fantasy appropriate if he were a American with Old Clothes ™ in every area except race relations.



On the topic of elf rights, does anyone else feel that the Dalish are pretty much doomed no matter what they do at this point? They're never going to be an integrated part of Ferelden, or else the human-elf breeding will humanize them. They're never going to be an independent nation inside of Ferelden. No matter how much of their ancient culture and rituals and religion they recover, they're still going to have the weaker gods if they ever come into conflict. And human settlements are always going to be expanding into and through the woodlands.

If they co-exist, their culture bleeds. If they mingle, they breed out. If they fight, they lose. If they don't fight, their forests are replaced by settlements.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 26 août 2010 - 11:58 .

[Miri1984]

Dean, I think you're right about the Dalish. They're like the elves in Tolkien - their day is done.

[Sandtigress]

Actually, at least in my "universe" I think the Dalish would do okay. Alistair is king and romanced a Dalish Warden and thus has an enormously healthy respect for the Dalish culture. I actually envision him giving them the lands as a gift and not just because of the boon and between him, the Warden, and Lanaya they strive as hard as possible to keep the peace between Ferelden and the Dalish as an independent nation.

In that scenario I see Ferelden standing for the rights of the Dalish nation, and since they're guarded by Ferelden on one side and the Korcari Wilds on the other, they'd do pretty well, so long as they didn't start fights with the humans themselves.



As far as Teagan being pro-elf, I based that on his willingness (or maybe more like lack of unwillingness) to flirt with an elven Warden and treat her respectfully. You can chalk that up to game mechanics, I suppose, but I see Teagan as someone whose willing to give credit where credit is due regardless of one's race or social status.

[Sarah1281]

Maybe Alistair's a Dalish fan but is one person, even the King, really enough to ensure the acceptance of and survival of a culture like that? He can only do so much and if no one else agrees, they might humor him until he's dead and then slide right back to treating them like they had been before.

[Sandtigress]

Yeah, it's quite possible, but I also see his children being raised in close proximity to the Dalish for precisely that reason, future good relationships. Like I said, I think it works in my particular universe, but I don't think that it's a given for the Dalish as a whole.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sandtigress wrote...

Actually, at least in my "universe" I think the Dalish would do okay. Alistair is king and romanced a Dalish Warden and thus has an enormously healthy respect for the Dalish culture. I actually envision him giving them the lands as a gift and not just because of the boon and between him, the Warden, and Lanaya they strive as hard as possible to keep the peace between Ferelden and the Dalish as an independent nation.
In that scenario I see Ferelden standing for the rights of the Dalish nation, and since they're guarded by Ferelden on one side and the Korcari Wilds on the other, they'd do pretty well, so long as they didn't start fights with the humans themselves.
.

Ferelden claims the Korcari Wilds as well. The Dalish would be an enclave state, which is by it's land-locked nature dependent and not independent in terms of matching the standards and economy of everyone else.

And peace has nothing to do with the Dalish surviving: peace itself can be poison, unless you envision a permanent isolationist enclave that refuses all humans. If there's peace, the elven culture will be diluted with human culture, and elven women will also be giving birth to human sons and daughters.

Elven culture as the Dalish understand it is dependent on being uncorrupted by human culture, and humans in general. The survival of their culture depends on distinct separation from humans, their ideologies, and their technologies. How can you claim that to be the foundation for an equal and fair relationship?

As far as Teagan being pro-elf, I based that on his willingness (or maybe more like lack of unwillingness) to flirt with an elven Warden and treat her respectfully. You can chalk that up to game mechanics, I suppose, but I see Teagan as someone whose willing to give credit where credit is due regardless of one's race or social status

Not to be too blunt, but slave owners are infamous for screwing their slaves. Finding a race attractive has nothing to do with viewing it as equal, and neither does noticing an 'exceptional' person of race/color/gender/class/etc.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I think Dean is right.



Remember that the elves were *immortal* until humans came along. Association with them not only brought diseases but mortality; it's one of the reasons Arlathan closed itself to human kind (that and the Tevinters being violent etc).



Elves could live with humans if the two races got along, but without careful breeding they would cease to be. (One wonders if the qunari recognise this. They have breeding programs and creches rather than marriage and traditional families).