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[LupusYondergirl]

It could be that there is a separate Bann or whatever for the city of Highever distinct from the tyernage itself. Like how you can be Arl of Amaranthine in Awakenings but there the city has Bann Esmerele

[Gilgamesh1138]

Hmm, but those humans would be under the rule of the Couslands. Which then opens up the possibility that Bryce doesn't know that the people in charge of the alienage are doing that. I don't see him standing for that sort of stuff. This is giving me a story idea...

*tickles Sandi's tail* I love you Sandi.

[LupusYondergirl]

I think if there was a bann (or even an arl) they might swear fealty to the Couslands, but they wouldn't be directly answering to them. I don't think a noble gets really involved in the day to day way their vassals run their various holdings. A bann can technically swear fealty to anyone, it's bottom-up government. So if the arl or teyrn starts getting up in their business they can just swear to the next door neighbor. Most only go with the closest since it's a relationship of military protection and tradition.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

While I don't know about there being a bann for the Highever alienage, I wouldn't be surprised if the bribes etc. pertain to guards and other human authorities. Just because Bryce is/was in charge doesn't mean he knows everything that happens in his domain, or is a good person.



re: Highever's alienage being better than Denerim's, I must have missed Iona's dialogue! Merely due to Vaughan, though, I would have hoped Highever was better, yes. The idea of the Denerim elves being told Highever is worse to keep them from leaving and reducing the city's menial workforce is a cool one, however.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Tellervo wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

All I can say on this note is that the elves need permits from the Chantry to marry each other, as well as someone to perform the ceremony. And in one CE ending where Soris marries a human it is considered a 'scandal'. (Although we don't know if she was highborn or common or if the elves or humans or both were scandalised )

...!  I had completely forgotten this and it's terribly relevant to my fic!  I mean, the level of prejudice there and it being Chantry supported....

And the *interesting* thing is that Soris and his wife must have somehow gotten approval to marry from the Denerim Chantry...they didn't have to elope.

Wonder what happened to Mother Boann. :/ She seemed pretty cool, even if she couldn't stop Vaughan at the CE's wedding.

[Raonar]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

All I can say on this note is that the elves need permits from the Chantry to marry each other, as well as someone to perform the ceremony. And in one CE ending where Soris marries a human it is considered a 'scandal'. (Although we don't know if she was highborn or common or if the elves or humans or both were scandalised )

...!  I had completely forgotten this and it's terribly relevant to my fic!  I mean, the level of prejudice there and it being Chantry supported....

And the *interesting* thing is that Soris and his wife must have somehow gotten approval to marry from the Denerim Chantry...they didn't have to elope.

Wonder what happened to Mother Boann. :/ She seemed pretty cool, even if she couldn't stop Vaughan at the CE's wedding.

Related to the Hero fo Ferelden? Yeah, I think that would be enough to be allowed to marry.

[Maria13]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

All I can say on this note is that the elves need permits from the Chantry to marry each other, as well as someone to perform the ceremony. And in one CE ending where Soris marries a human it is considered a 'scandal'. (Although we don't know if she was highborn or common or if the elves or humans or both were scandalised )

...!  I had completely forgotten this and it's terribly relevant to my fic!  I mean, the level of prejudice there and it being Chantry supported....

And the *interesting* thing is that Soris and his wife must have somehow gotten approval to marry from the Denerim Chantry...they didn't have to elope.

Wonder what happened to Mother Boann. :/ She seemed pretty cool, even if she couldn't stop Vaughan at the CE's wedding.

Thanks for naming the good Mother, just been given an idea...

[DreGregoire]

Sandtigress wrote...

The lines in the CE origin are "Moving to a different alienage isn't easy. Travel and bribes cost money" and "Humans are a suspicious lot. I've heard the ones in Highever are worse than here" immediately following.

If these quotes are accurate, without any missing lines; what the elf is acutally saying is that the Humans in Highever are  more suspicious than other humans. Not that the alienage itself is worse. Usually when somebody says bribes I take it to be a not so legal transaction. So moving from one alienage to another does not seem to be sanctioned so the elves need to give money to the right people to get permission. Heh, you all just keep making me replay all the origins don't you! hehe. Off I go to see what is said

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Raonar: Probably. XD



Maria: Ooh... np



DreGregoire: I think the Male CE gets a lot more info available (esp right after the wedding crash). The number of times I've saved and reloaded to check out all the dialogue options...

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

The lines in the CE origin are "Moving to a different alienage isn't easy. Travel and bribes cost money" and "Humans are a suspicious lot. I've heard the ones in Highever are worse than here" immediately following.

If these quotes are accurate, without any missing lines; what the elf is acutally saying is that the Humans in Highever are  more suspicious than other humans. Not that the alienage itself is worse. Usually when somebody says bribes I take it to be a not so legal transaction. So moving from one alienage to another does not seem to be sanctioned so the elves need to give money to the right people to get permission. Heh, you all just keep making me replay all the origins don't you! hehe. Off I go to see what is said

Yep that's what it says I totally took that the wrong way when I played it the first 10 times.

Shadow of Light Dragon, you are trouble *mock glares* now I have to go and play past that point to see what happens heheh. I actually have replayed the Origins more than anything else. There is just something about the transition from life as it was suppose to be and what it becomes

Modifié par DreGregoire, 28 août 2010 - 02:19 .

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

All I can say on this note is that the elves need permits from the Chantry to marry each other, as well as someone to perform the ceremony. And in one CE ending where Soris marries a human it is considered a 'scandal'. (Although we don't know if she was highborn or common or if the elves or humans or both were scandalised )

...!  I had completely forgotten this and it's terribly relevant to my fic!  I mean, the level of prejudice there and it being Chantry supported....

And the *interesting* thing is that Soris and his wife must have somehow gotten approval to marry from the Denerim Chantry...they didn't have to elope.

Wonder what happened to Mother Boann. :/ She seemed pretty cool, even if she couldn't stop Vaughan at the CE's wedding.

Related to the Hero fo Ferelden? Yeah, I think that would be enough to be allowed to marry.

That's assuming that this only happens when the Warden is a CE. I know we only see the epilogue if we are but I think that's more a matter of interest because the, say, DE probably wouldn't have an interest in what that random guy he found in the dungeon did post-Blight. In the same vein, you only find out that Cullen either is a super-strict lead Templar replacing Greagoir or goes on a killing spree if you're a mage and I think that's equally likely to happen with all oriigns.

[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
DreGregoire: I think the Male CE gets a lot more info available (esp right after the wedding crash). ...

Who is the information from. Do you remember? Because those people leave before the wedding

[Dean_the_Young]

DreGregoire wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

The lines in the CE origin are "Moving to a different alienage isn't easy. Travel and bribes cost money" and "Humans are a suspicious lot. I've heard the ones in Highever are worse than here" immediately following.

If these quotes are accurate, without any missing lines; what the elf is acutally saying is that the Humans in Highever are  more suspicious than other humans. Not that the alienage itself is worse. Usually when somebody says bribes I take it to be a not so legal transaction. So moving from one alienage to another does not seem to be sanctioned so the elves need to give money to the right people to get permission. Heh, you all just keep making me replay all the origins don't you! hehe. Off I go to see what is said

You can actually take it even one step further: the humans in Highever are harder to bribe, which marks Highever as a whole a more law-abiding Alienage. The laws are still stacked against the elves, perhaps, but the guards more or less follow them better.

[DreGregoire]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

The lines in the CE origin are "Moving to a different alienage isn't easy. Travel and bribes cost money" and "Humans are a suspicious lot. I've heard the ones in Highever are worse than here" immediately following.

If these quotes are accurate, without any missing lines; what the elf is acutally saying is that the Humans in Highever are  more suspicious than other humans. Not that the alienage itself is worse. Usually when somebody says bribes I take it to be a not so legal transaction. So moving from one alienage to another does not seem to be sanctioned so the elves need to give money to the right people to get permission. Heh, you all just keep making me replay all the origins don't you! hehe. Off I go to see what is said

You can actually take it even one step further: the humans in Highever are harder to bribe, which marks Highever as a whole a more law-abiding Alienage. The laws are still stacked against the elves, perhaps, but the guards more or less follow them better.

I am not comfortable making that assumption because it doesn't match the sentence structures. The second sentence definately refers to moving between alienages in the first sentence; whereas. the fourth sentence refers to the humans in sentence three.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 29 août 2010 - 12:04 .

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

It could be that there is a separate Bann or whatever for the city of Highever distinct from the tyernage itself. Like how you can be Arl of Amaranthine in Awakenings but there the city has Bann Esmerele

Perhaps it's location related, because on the map the Arling is way outside the city. It would be difficult to be that far away from the city and run it. The way I see it is that it depends on work load, distance, and favor giving heh.

[Sarah1281]

So I found a one-shot DN story where the Warden was reminscing while in the Aeducan Thaig and despite the fact that the Warden's name was quite clearly not Aunn but Kahlis, the ending AN said "I always felt sympathetic to Trian. It seems as though it was more a power struggle between Bhelen and Aunn and Trian was caught in the crossfire." Very strange...

[LupusYondergirl]

That is odd. Does the story itself read like she was inspired by your Aeducan? Maybe the author read your stories and that inspired her, so it's actually some kind of meta-fanfic.

[Sarah1281]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

That is odd. Does the story itself read like she was inspired by your Aeducan? Maybe the author read your stories and that inspired her, so it's actually some kind of meta-fanfic.

I don't know. I've never heard of her before and can't find any reviews/alerts to suggest that she has but there are some unusual aspects of the DN story that I have in my story (not going the 'I want to literally be the sole honorable woman in a den of thieves' route, not having a 'I want to just be a warrior and not a politician' route, not having any mention of LI although that doesn't mean she didn't have one, being actually sympathetic to Trian, not hating Bhelen for what happened) and there was the name mix-up at the end so it's entirely possible.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

DreGregoire wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
DreGregoire: I think the Male CE gets a lot more info available (esp right after the wedding crash). ...

Who is the information from. Do you remember? Because those people leave before the wedding

Oh, no,  I mean info in general, not specifically about travel between alienages etc!

For instance, after Duncan's given you his sword and before you rescue the women, you can go and ask Alarith about his encounter with the Dalish when he was escaping Tevinter with his family. If you're a female CE you never get the chance to see that convo ever.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 29 août 2010 - 01:09 .

[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
DreGregoire: I think the Male CE gets a lot more info available (esp right after the wedding crash). ...

Who is the information from. Do you remember? Because those people leave before the wedding

Oh, no,  I mean info in general, not specifically about travel between alienages etc!

For instance, after Duncan's given you his sword and before you rescue the women, you can go and ask Alarith about his encounter with the Dalish when he was escaping Tevinter with his family. If you're a female CE you never get the chance to see that convo ever.

okies hehe. You definately get more information as a male than you do as the captured female

[Sarah1281]

So as an update on the mysterious 'someone totally used my character's name at one part of their story' thing...I just got a reply from the author who told me that they gussed that they'd been reading too much of someone's 'really amazing' Aeducan stories who used Aunn as their DN's name. I guess they didn't make the connection.

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So as an update on the mysterious 'someone totally used my character's name at one part of their story' thing...I just got a reply from the author who told me that they gussed that they'd been reading too much of someone's 'really amazing' Aeducan stories who used Aunn as their DN's name. I guess they didn't make the connection.

I guess that can happen.

[Raonar]

Haha, well, I think you (Sarah1281) should take it as a compliment really.

In other news, I published my chapter 15 and I can't help but feel it's not as awesome as the previous two ones. Granted, it WAS supposed to be more of a transition, but still.

Sigh. Perfectionism will kill us, or me in this case.

Modifié par Raonar, 29 août 2010 - 04:57 .

[TanithAeyrs]

Ack, god baby stories are tough. Trying to make things belivable with the knowledge we have. Anyone else struggling with this?

[FutileSine]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Ack, god baby stories are tough. Trying to make things belivable with the knowledge we have. Anyone else struggling with this?

If my story goes as planned, I will be (struggling with it)....in the meantime I'll read/study your story and see how you deal with the OGB.