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[Sarah1281]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Ack, god baby stories are tough. Trying to make things belivable with the knowledge we have. Anyone else struggling with this?

Well, in a week and a half or so we should have some more information to deal with although unless the kid died then it won't be everything.

[TanithAeyrs]

@ Sarah - yeah, not sure how I feel about that. I will have to play it, but my story definitely falls into the AU category now. I've had plans for Morrigan and the god-baby from the start of my story, it's just that now I'm acutally writing the meeting with my warden.



@Futile - I've read several really good stories dealing with the child, some where the child is evil, some where it is good and some where Morrigan (or Flemeth) tries to take over it's body. My problem is dealing with her as a child, what would she be like? Most people deal with the god child after it is grown, not as a precocious 3 1/2 year old.

[FutileSine]

@Tanith - Hmm...Hopefully I'll be able to come across those as right now I am curious as to what abilities they have their god child have. BTW - just R&Red your most recent chapter and I *loved* your style of writing. Can't wait to see where you go with things.



@Sarah - The DLC is suppose to take place after only one year from Origins...That can't be enough time for a lot of the mythos of the OGB to be sorted out, can it? As for the baby dying. That would be....so distressful yet wouldn't surprise really me at all. It would be such a cheap way to get out of a sticky situation though. I guess we shall see shortly, like you said.

[Gilgamesh1138]

As a content beta for Tanith, I can safely tell you all that it is wonderful. You will love what she is doing. I squeed.

[Raonar]

FutileSine wrote...

@Sarah - The DLC is suppose to take place after only one year from Origins...That can't be enough time for a lot of the mythos of the OGB to be sorted out, can it? As for the baby dying. That would be....so distressful yet wouldn't surprise really me at all. It would be such a cheap way to get out of a sticky situation though. I guess we shall see shortly, like you said.

I was pretty sure the DLC happens one year after Awakening, so it would be 2 years after origins.

[TanithAeyrs]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

As a content beta for Tanith, I can safely tell you all that it is wonderful. You will love what she is doing. I squeed.

Blushes, thanks Gil.

No god-baby in Soulmates but Gilgamesh's story is one of the best post-blight stories out there and worth reading as well (politics, intrigue, Alistair, Zevran and a host of unique characters).

[Maria13]

TanithAeyrs wrote...


@Futile - I've read several really good stories dealing with the child, some where the child is evil, some where it is good and some where Morrigan (or Flemeth) tries to take over it's body. My problem is dealing with her as a child, what would she be like? Most people deal with the god child after it is grown, not as a precocious 3 1/2 year old.

She? she? Who says it's not a he?

Ooops.

[TanithAeyrs]

Mine is a she but I have read several stories where the child was written as a he. I think whatever fits a particular story is fine.

[Maria13]

Oh good...

[DreGregoire]

Heh I haven't even made it to awakenings in my stories yet. I did start a in the future but it has nothing to do with Morrigan or child

[TanithAeyrs]

Don't worry, I had to change my timeline a bit because of Awakening. I had the whole plot planned for GW Honor before Awakening was released, fortunately it only required a few minor adjustments (and let me add a few more familiar characters to my fic).

[Sarah1281]

On Ferelden writing...would they use quills? What about parchment? Pseudo-medieval conditions are confusing me once more.

[Maria13]

I say quills and parchment.

[Raonar]

I think the Dace guy from Golems of Amgarrak used a quill and parchment in the intro.

[LupusYondergirl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

On Ferelden writing...would they use quills? What about parchment? Pseudo-medieval conditions are confusing me once more.

I put quills (well, they call them pens, since it seems like that's what people referred to them as when they were the norm), and vellum since you find so much of it everywhere.
But I also had the dwarves invent some kind of lead wrapped in paper for writing notes while working.  Since whipping out an inkwell while running through the deep roads or something seems less than pratical.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Okay so Tanith made me blush.



I too have seen the God-baby as boy or girl. Whatever fits the story I say.



@Lupus I too invented a metal pen by the dwarves. A metal tube with a quill end and an ink reserve. I couldn't see them having to whip out an inkwell and quill. My protagonist uses it in her origin story.

[Firky]

On the topic of God babies, have any of you guys read The Dark Tower series by Stephen King? Without trying to spoil anything, a woman gets knocked up by a demon. It's been a while since I read it, but I seem to remember Susannah struggling because the baby is unmistakably evil (and, lets say, isn't "cute") but she still loves it (well, while she is pregnant anyway). I always think of that story when thinking about Morrigan. Will she love th dragon baby or whatever it is?

Modifié par Firky, 29 août 2010 - 10:39 .

[Maria13]

Firky wrote...

On the topic of God babies, have any of you guys read The Dark Tower series by Stephen King? Without trying to spoil anything, a woman gets knocked up by a demon. It's been a while since I read it, but I seem to remember Susannah struggling because the baby is unmistakably evil (and, lets say, isn't "cute") but she still loves it (well, while she is pregnant anyway). I always think of that story when thinking about Morrigan. Will she love th dragon baby or whatever it is?

Why should she? Morrigan shows no real affection for anyone... And she contrives to have the child for her own power seeking purposes and nothing else.

[Sarah1281]

Maria13 wrote...

Firky wrote...

On the topic of God babies, have any of you guys read The Dark Tower series by Stephen King? Without trying to spoil anything, a woman gets knocked up by a demon. It's been a while since I read it, but I seem to remember Susannah struggling because the baby is unmistakably evil (and, lets say, isn't "cute") but she still loves it (well, while she is pregnant anyway). I always think of that story when thinking about Morrigan. Will she love th dragon baby or whatever it is?

Why should she? Morrigan shows no real affection for anyone... And she contrives to have the child for her own power seeking purposes and nothing else.

Except you if you get her romance far enough or are a good enough friend, of course.

I think that if she does then she won't be willing to admit it without something drastic happening or someone (maybe you) forcing her to admit it which may cause problems for the kid.

[TanithAeyrs]

Depends on your take on Morrigan. Also the god baby isn't necessarily good or evil - it simply has the soul of an Old God (or an ancient high dragon depending on whose mythos you follow).



Read the Dark Tower series a long time ago but I don't really remember it much - not really a Stephen King fan.

[Firky]

I agree that Morrigan isn't the most cuddly character, but Mums loving their children is kind of a universal theme, isn't it? Maybe you have to try to destroy the God baby and Morrigan will turn on you. Long shot?



I have to admit, I don't really understand Morrigan. I thought she was quite selfish and uncaring, but then I saw Aimo's comic about her feeling bad over The Dark Ritual. What reason did she give for doing it again? I can't remember.

[Sarah1281]

I don't think that being a mother automatically makes you care for your children by a long shot. Think of all the mothers who neglect, abuse, abandon, or even outright kill their children. It's hardly the norm but it happens. Does Flemeth love Morrigan, would you say?



Also, I agree with the idea that the baby won't be born good or evil but that it will be a person (I like to think of it as a girl) with great powers who has to make her own choices.

[Firky]

Yeah, absolutely, many Mums find it hard to bond and terrible things do happen to children at the hands of their mothers too. My default feeling on that is that mothers who do the really bad things need greater support. Mother's loving their children and being blind to their faults/protecting them at all costs seems, in my exprience, to be a common theme anyway.

I didn't get any indication that Flemeth loved Morrigan. Maybe, in the beginning, a sort of comfotable familiarity. (?)

Modifié par Firky, 29 août 2010 - 11:28 .

[TanithAeyrs]

Unfortunately, even in real life, not all mothers love their kids.

I think it is reasonable to take Morrigan either way. She certainly never learned anything about love, friendship or caring from Flemeth and that leaves permanant scars.



I do think Morrigan does learn to care, at least in her own way, if the Warden treats her well.



The reasons she gives for the dark ritual vary depending on the dialog options - first and foremost she says it will save the Wardens' lives. If you question her more closely she will eventually tell you that "some things are worth preserving." It was that line that convinced my Dalish elf to talk Alistair into it. The loss of her own life was not a concern, but from her perspective of knowing so much had been lost to the elves, the line about preserving the old god hit home.



There is also an arguement (although I don't think Morrigan talks about it) that if the DR is performed, than anyone could kill the Archdemon - even if all the Wardens fall. A potent arguement when there are only 3 wardens in all of Ferelden.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that being a mother automatically makes you care for your children by a long shot. Think of all the mothers who neglect, abuse, abandon, or even outright kill their children. It's hardly the norm but it happens. Does Flemeth love Morrigan, would you say?

Well, most abusive mothers suffer certain traumas and stresses of their own, such as similar abuse when they were younger or various circumstances. There is some research about how hormones of and certain pyschological aspects of having to work through pregnancy do naturally incline women to love their children by default. And Morrigan, for all her demeanor, has tended to show that she isn't incapable of connections, but merely ignorant about them, and that when she does find them they are strong indeed.

Also, I agree with the idea that the baby won't be born good or evil but that it will be a person (I like to think of it as a girl) with great powers who has to make her own choices.

Indeed.