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[LupusYondergirl]

jackkel dragon wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Well, as long as you don't name the kid Tarwater. That would be mean.

Tarwater? Who would be so cruel as to name their child that?!

Nothing shocks me anymore.  But the words "Southern literature" immediately sent me to The Violent Bear it Away since that was the last Southern Gothic novel I read.  I just got Absalom,Absalom! but haven't started it yet.  It may wait for Thanksgiving break when I'm not slogging my way through Dostoevsky.

SurelyForth wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...
Really?  Southern literature has some fantastic names.  And most aren't so uncommon they would sound "made up" or anything like that. 

Well, as long as you don't name the kid Tarwater. That would be mean.

Not
Tarwater (although Hazel was kicked around...). I've gotten him to
relent on Harper and that involved a compromise of Tiberius as at least a
middle name. 

Re Wynne's son: From a lore perspective, meeting
Wynne's son could shed some light on the inner workings of the Chantry. I
would like to know what they do with a child the take from a mage if it
turns out to also be a mage. Do they return it to the same
Circle, or a foreign Circle? Would they tell Wynne it was her child, or
would they keep it a big secret? If they kept it a secret, what would
the motivation be to do so? I find it hard to believe that there aren't
relatives in the Circle already (especially since Circle mages can go
out and about and some have had children, who could also turn out to be
mages). I think it would be interesting to know some of these things.

Tiberius as a middle name isn't bad.  And it's a nice nod to Star Trek if you enjoy such things.

I've wondered that myself about family in the circle.  In fic I have it that mages don't really get told a thing about their families or pasts, but... there could even be siblings in the Circle.  Say a family's first child is taken away at five or six, they have another child after and that one turns out to be a mage, too. 
I'd hope the Circle would make sure they knew.  Since, well, that has potential for Bad.  Very Bad.

[FutileSine]

LupusYondergirl wrote...
  
I'd hope the Circle would make sure they knew.  Since, well, that has potential for Bad.  Very Bad.

*snickers*  Thats the first thing I thought of.....  Eepers! 

[Maria13]

SurelyForth wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...
Really?  Southern literature has some fantastic names.  And most aren't so uncommon they would sound "made up" or anything like that. 

Well, as long as you don't name the kid Tarwater. That would be mean.

Not Tarwater (although Hazel was kicked around...). I've gotten him to relent on Harper and that involved a compromise of Tiberius as at least a middle name. 

Re Wynne's son: From a lore perspective, meeting Wynne's son could shed some light on the inner workings of the Chantry. I would like to know what they do with a child if it turned out to also be a mage. Do they return it to the same Circle, or a foreign Circle? Would they tell Wynne it was her child, or would they keep it a big secret? If they kept it a secret, what would the motivation be to do so? I find it hard to believe that there aren't relatives in the Circle already (especially since Circle mages can go out and about and some have had children, who could also turn out to be mages). I think it would be interesting to know some of these things.

Candice perhaps? I can talk my Spanish nephews are Caesar, Claudius and Hadrian (we never saw "I, Claudius" on the BBC when we were young) though the names sound a little more germane in Spanish than in English.  As for my husband's side how about Cerys Rhainnon, yep, Welsh all the way, love 'em...

[LupusYondergirl]

FutileSine wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...
  
I'd hope the Circle would make sure they knew.  Since, well, that has potential for Bad.  Very Bad.

*snickers*  Thats the first thing I thought of.....  Eepers! 

I feel better knowing I'm not the only one whose mind went there.

Also, interesting point of statistic WRT ffnet...
Bumping the rating of my collected one-shots up to M and adding NSFW to the current chapter's description doubled the number of people who read it.
So, to everyone who worries rating their story M will hurt them since its cut from the default search... maybe not.

There are some dirty dirty minded people out there.  And I suppose they are my target audience.

[jackkel dragon]

Heh, I just remembered that Tarwater was a remedy for illness. It never worked, but people thought it did.



It's still a nasty thing to call someone.

[jackkel dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

There are some dirty dirty minded people out there.  And I suppose they are my target audience.

Ooookay... too bad all my stories are already at M...

[LupusYondergirl]

jackkel dragon wrote...

Heh, I just remembered that Tarwater was a remedy for illness. It never worked, but people thought it did.

It's still a nasty thing to call someone.

Don't blame me!

[KSuri]

LupusYondergirl wrote...
  
I'd hope the Circle would make sure they knew.  Since, well, that has potential for Bad.  Very Bad.

IRL, the chances that siblings would be attracted to each other should be pretty low. Nature has a little solution that helps with that since females are consistantly more attracted to males with genes significantly different than themselves. There might be instances where siblings are into each other's personalities until that first kiss when the yuck factor happens. Kissing is one of the best ways to gather information on perspective mates after all, along with smell. Can't stand a way a man or woman smells, it's probably becuase they are genetically incompatible with you. 

If for some reason an incestous relationship developed within the Tower the First Enchanter might become involved and reassign one party or another to a different locale just to reduce the liklihood of a child coming from the pairing. It would probably be done in such a way that neither mage was really aware of the real reasons behind the interference.

As far as siblings within the Circle. I would think that parentage is a hidden afair, only known to a few. The First Enchanter and keeper of records. I would go so far as to speculate that the Circle seperates siblings into different towers from fear that the siblings will form a tight knit bond and be less willing to submit to the structures of the Tower. What I got from the Tower was a kind of indocturination into their philosophy. Family units would be more resistant to that because they would find support from each other. You see how divided the Circle is when you visit there and that is part of how the Chantry is able to control the mages. Keep them divided, isolated, mistrustful of each other's motives and it makes them less likely to make an organized stand against the status quo.

The story I'm working on now (as I'm cheating on my main at the moment) will touch on that a little bit. What is the likely outcome of a pair of sibling mages and their fate within the Tower? My theory is that the Tower and the Templars break the children down before trying to build them back up in the image they want. Within a loving family, or a family who had one parent as an apostate or hedge mage....how would their perspective on magic and its uses be different?

[Sarah1281]

IRL, the chances that siblings would be attracted to each other should be pretty low. Nature has a little solution that helps with that since females are consistantly more attracted to males with genes significantly different than themselves.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that, despite being a redhead myself, I've never been even remotely attracted to any other redheads.

Edit: Other people always go 'I  redheads!' and I'm like 'Um...I guess they're not hideous.'

Modifié par Sarah1281, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[maxernst]

I loved Tolkien when I was younger--I think I was about 8 when I read LOTR the first time. I honestly think the Hobbit might be his most enjoyable book, though, simply because it's so much tighter than his other work. And as I grew older, Tolkien's ideology started to grate on me. Still, I did buy a bunch of the Middle Earth Roleplaying game stuff and had a not very serious Rolemaster campaign set in Umbar for a while. It's interesting that we seem to have a fair number of non-Tolkien fans writing fan-fic. It would make sense that Tolkien's work would appeal to women a lot less than say, Marion Zimmer Bradley or Guy Gavriel Kay.

[jackkel dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...

Heh, I just remembered that Tarwater was a remedy for illness. It never worked, but people thought it did.

It's still a nasty thing to call someone.

Don't blame me!

God. At least it was a surname...

[Maria13]

maxernst wrote...

I loved Tolkien when I was younger--I think I was about 8 when I read LOTR the first time. I honestly think the Hobbit might be his most enjoyable book, though, simply because it's so much tighter than his other work. And as I grew older, Tolkien's ideology started to grate on me. Still, I did buy a bunch of the Middle Earth Roleplaying game stuff and had a not very serious Rolemaster campaign set in Umbar for a while. It's interesting that we seem to have a fair number of non-Tolkien fans writing fan-fic. It would make sense that Tolkien's work would appeal to women a lot less than say, Marion Zimmer Bradley or Guy Gavriel Kay.

Wise words.  I think I actually got to Tolkien too old, after Tolstoy, Shakes and Dos... So it was, this guy's meant to be a great writer? Ummm where's the subtlty? where are the women? No female orcs?

'Course I had that problem with the original Star Trek too, age showing?  But eventually Voyager came along and that was OK.  But in gaming I have always preferred D&D my first real game was Diablo 1 and then Dungeon Master...  DA:O and the Witcher just struck me as being so sophisticated socially, never experienced any embarassment playing them as an adult... Hope they don't spoil it all with DA2...

[Raonar]

*Hijacks the thread*



I've been getting messages like "I like how Cailan/Duncan died, better than in the game" and I cant help but feel that it's a bit... disconcerting that I can actually turn people's deaths into likable events.



*end hijack*



About Tolkien's orcs, I'm really not sure about females... as I saw it in the films, they seemed to be bred in a sort of "in the jar" procedure, though they're supposed to be corrupted elves at the same time.



Or were those only goblin/orc cross-breeds? Ah well...

[jackkel dragon]

@Maria13: Middle-Earth is a very male-dominant setting, and Tolkein wasn't writing at a time when evryone was expecting prominant female characters. At least the few females included are strong-willed... (as opposed to damsels in distress.)



Also, we don't want female orcs. Orcs are literally the incarnation of corruption in Middle-Earth. Broodmothers are bad enough in DA, and they technically aren't darkspawn!

[jackkel dragon]

Raonar wrote...

I've been getting messages like "I like how Cailan/Duncan died, better than in the game" and I cant help but feel that it's a bit... disconcerting that I can actually turn people's deaths into likable events.

Maybe they just mean it was done better than "they died, you didn't" in the game. If people actually like Duncan dying, they need their head examined.

Raonar

About Tolkien's orcs, I'm really not sure about females... as I saw it in the films, they seemed to be bred in a sort of "in the jar" procedure, though they're supposed to be corrupted elves at the same time.

Or were those only goblin/orc cross-breeds? Ah well...

The films were adding some background that I don't remember in the books. The battle of Helm's Deep also only had a few hundred orcs in the book.

In the movies, there are goblins (corrupted elves), orcs (corrupted elves from Mordor), uruks (fancy for orcs), and Uruk-Hai (half-orc humans grown in mud.)

Just a by-the-way: Tolkein took the word "Ork", meaning demon, when he created the orcs. Makes you feel funny when you play a "half-orc" in D+D, which also has a seperate race of "half-demons".

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...



I've been getting messages like "I like how Cailan/Duncan died, better than in the game" and I cant help but feel that it's a bit... disconcerting that I can actually turn people's deaths into likable events.

I'm sure they don't actually mean that they were happy when they died (well...some people might be, particularly about Cailan) but rather just thought that the time and effort you put into portraying it was better than Cailan becoming an ogre chew toy and Duncan's death being so vague many people refuse to even believe that he's dead.

[Raonar]

jackkel dragon wrote...

Raonar wrote...

I've been getting messages like "I like how Cailan/Duncan died, better than in the game" and I cant help but feel that it's a bit... disconcerting that I can actually turn people's deaths into likable events.

Maybe they just mean it was done better than "they died, you didn't" in the game. If people actually like Duncan dying, they need their head examined.

I know that's what they meant, I just hope I'll be able to write everything BESIDES death scenes at least as well.

Meh, rambling now finished.

I'm not sure about Helm's deep. I mean, the book clearly said the orcs were too many and it took the trees in Farngorn forest to take out all of the ones that fled. So I'm pretty sure there was a whole bunch of them.

As for the film... I guess, visually, it was more interesting to have more than one type of creature storming those walls.

[Merilsell]

klarabella wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I don't worry about Gaider reading my fic, I've decided to write it in German at long last. This means my audience will be really small.

Have a link? *is interested*

Not yet, but I'll make sure to write you a PM when I'm done with plotting and character developement and expanding on the lore stuff.

Yay. <3

It would make sense that Tolkien's work would appeal to women a lot less than say, Marion Zimmer Bradley or Guy Gavriel Kay.

Hah, then I am the exeption once again here. I love Tolkien, I was a rabid fangirl a few years again and still have a deep fondness for his works. Honestly the world with all the languages he created? (Or for him it was the other way around, heh) Mindblowing. Without Tolkien Fantasy wouldn't be the one as it is today. And I start reading it with 20 (I'm 28 now). So there is no too late for that. And PJ's movies are the best I've ever seen. Period. After I've seen the third one in the cinema, I thought "if I die now I'd die happy because I have seen the most epic movie-trilogy of all time." (Glad I'm still alive and kicking, though )

Modifié par Merilsell, 19 septembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Read Tolkien the first time at 8 and did a book report on the whole LOTR series at 10 (then had a fight with my teacher because she said I couldn't have read all of them - so I quoted a bunch of stuff to her and got in trouble for "sassing" her).

*laugh* Teachers *hate* being wrong!

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Ooh. and a lore question for you fine folks. Do we think that they will ever establish who Wynne's son is?

Hmm...If it's ever brought up, it'll probably be subtle rather than a blatant "My mother's name was Wynne!" Since he was taken from her at birth and relocated either to a Chantry or a Circle Tower outside Ferelden (if he's a mage), it's possible children who start off like this are never told their parentage.

I'm sure the Chantry could make sure any siblings were separated and sent to different places, too.

[Sarah1281]

*laugh* Teachers *hate* being wrong!

Yeah, it just seems like it would be very embarrassing. If they don't clearly know more than the students then it causes people to wonder why they're qualified to be teaching you this subject.

[Addai]

Question to the experts. I recall seeing that there was a workaround so that you could post copy-paste stuff here without the formatting going all haywire. What was that??

[Sarah1281]

Whenever I copy and paste from word it asks if I'd like it to clean up the formatting and then I just paste it in the box that pops up and there's no problem. Unfortunately, this involves letting the website access your clipboard which I know some people aren't comfortable with.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Question to the experts. I recall seeing that there was a workaround so that you could post copy-paste stuff here without the formatting going all haywire. What was that??

I post things in notepad and add the line breaks back in, then post from there to BSN.  That usually does the trick - it eliminates ALL fomatting including italics though, so I add in the BSN tags while I'm typing and remove them from ff.net before I publish.

If you copy from the ff.net document manager and paste that into notepad, you won't have to put linebreaks back in, but you will still have to redo the italics.

[LupusYondergirl]

I past from the ffnet document manager and then remove the extra line breaks. But I do a lot of italicized stuff and that's faster for me than adding all the tags manually.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I copy stuff from word, paste into the forum via the BBCode button (which is Plain Text, like Notepad), and that preserves formatting except for italics, bolds, etc, which I add back in afterwards.