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[nefand]

KSuri wrote...

So I'm left asking.....
What is smut? Sleaze? Sexy? Kinky? And if something truly erotic is what a person is after why look on FF.net as opposed to other known erotic sites? Wouldn't they have more saucy fiction in relationship to specific characters?

IMO there isn't a definitive answer to the question because the answer is entirely subjective.  Every individual's interpretation of smut vs sleaze vs sexy vs kink is going to be different based on their own personal tastes and views.

The best you can do is stick your rating on the story and then be up front about why your rating is there.  Personally I think the K/T/M categorization is oversimplied and would really like to see a graded system, at least at the M level.  In my mind, there is a huge difference between a "sexual theme" vs "explicit content" vs "graphic (hardcore) content."

I'm not in the business of telling someone what they can and can't express with their literature, but at the same time I see nothing wrong with doing readers the courtesy of advising them of the depth of the themes in one's content, if that makes any sense at all.

[mousestalker]

If it involves scarecrows and embarrassed nugs, then it's definitely kink...

[Merilsell]

If it takes me long or not to write a chapter depends on my state of mind and mood. There are days when I hyperactively type in the speed of a child on crack, or days where I contest my open office screen in staring contents ...and lose. There are also days where I think "Yay, I'm finish the chap NAO" and when I close open office many hours later, I have written ~500 in total, asking myself where the f*ck the time went. I swear FF has its own time continuum 

Also it's not rare that the next time when I open my story again, reread the bits I've writtten and flail with horror at that. Then I press the delete button big times. Rinse and repeat.

Generally I'm a very, very slow writer so that I need a week or more for one single chapter is more than common. Then again my chapter are pretty long (6000+) So yeah...biiiiiig timesink. Considering that I can't update that fast I want to due a beta, who takes a looooong time to correct stuff or vanishes from the face of the earth from time to time results in a fairly poorly publishing schedule from two chaps a month. [monotone voice]Go me [/monotone voice]

nefand wrote...
Not at all.  Echoes of Grace; EoG for short since I'm a lazy typist who assumes everybody can read my acronyms on the interwebs.

Mind if I squee a bit? I'm really, really a lazy a*s reader what concerns FF in the moment, due to the own monster I'm writing, but yesterday I was skimming through my faves that I made for later read...and there EoG caught my eye. I decided to read it finally a bit past the first three I had managed so far. And well 17 chapter in one sitting later *cough*  I have to compliment you. Not only that you hooked me up, it's also a clever story you have there -- well thought out and written. I'm intrigued to know what will happen next. Also I love your CE Sylphie, she is great.

Which reminds me I really should read the stories I'm faving, lol. I might discover why I have faved them in the first place. Well at least with EoG I know now why (and of course a couple of others as well)

[KSuri]

mousestalker wrote...

If it involves scarecrows and embarrassed nugs, then it's definitely kink...

Never go to 'The Pearl' and say "Surprise me." The nugs looked unharmed but my Warden looked seriously confused over what had just occured.

[Miri1984]

I write ridiculously quickly, as long as the ideas are there. I do have to go back and fix stuff a lot though, but again I do that pretty quickly. A chapter will take me an hour or two to write and another hour to fix up, but finding those three hours is the problem They are only 2k at the most though.

[Raonar]

Yes, I also write very, very fast, as is shown by how I just finished my latest chapter!

It's over 10,000 words. I make my chapters long, some even going beyond 15,000 words at times. I somehow manage to post one every week, though this one came out a bit quicker.

[Mecha Tengu]

moar drabble rommance fics with a story that doesn't lead anywhere except to bed



plz

[nefand]

Merilsell wrote...


Which reminds me I really should read the stories I'm faving, lol. I might discover why I have faved them in the first place. Well at least with EoG I know now why (and of course a couple of others as well)

thank you that is very kind.

I know what you mean about being in a vacuum, there are tons of stories I want to read but I put myself on a strict story diet to prevent idea clutter.  Right now there are only two WiP's I'm able to keep up with as a fan given everything else I have going on (work, home, hobby, class).

Either there needs to be more hours in a day, I need to learn to read faster, or people need to write less so I can catch up, cuz there are too many damn irons and not enough fire right now. LOL

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

Yes, I also write very, very fast, as is shown by how I just finished my latest chapter!

It's over 10,000 words. I make my chapters long, some even going beyond 15,000 words at times. I somehow manage to post one every week, though this one came out a bit quicker.

Wow...in another chapter or two you're totally going to end up overtaking mine and you've only been doing this for three months.

[Raonar]

What can I say, I type really fast, as I said, and my Muse is quite eager to assist.

I just hope people don't end up losing interest... Nah, hopefully won't happen...

EDIT

Well, it's half past 1 in the night here right now so... I'll go to bed. You all have fun now!

Modifié par Raonar, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Cramming many replies into one post...

And a brief note about trolls and the feeding thereof. 

KSuri wrote...
BTW.....I'm really enjoying your story and I did hop to the end to get a fix of Zev smut. I'm horrid....I know, but who can resist? I was talking to my spouse about the differences between Alistair and Zevran in a sexual context. There is a lot of sweet sexiness in regards to what I see written for the Alistairs out there.....but, when it comes to Zevran, fanfic goes wild! lol  I was telling my hubby, 15 years ago I would have been all "Oh isn't that so sweet! He wants to wait and make it all special and stuff." Back when true love was just a dream and youth prevails. Now that I'm older I'm more, "You know and I know what we want. Why are we wasting time talking?" lol Clever, clever DA writers had a bead on a target audience they didn't even know existed. The over 30. married female casual gamer. lmao!!

Thank you!  I think it's interesting how different the characters are.  I mentioned a bit earlier, but I just can't see someone like Zevran doing "sweet."  Or, at least, not at that stage of the relationship.  (which for them is basically 'hey, you're shockingly easy?  me too!  how 'bout that!")  Maybe later, since the relationship does evolve a lot (and fairly quickly, too.  It takes like NOTHING to get his approval up to adore level in game.) 

Maria13 wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...
We're back! Woohoo!
And I finally finished that damned smut bit that had been taunting me for a week.
Turned out he didn't want Lords of Acid.  He wanted Venus in Furs.  Covered by goth bands.  Go figure.

Liked this.

Thank you!
(You know, I always figured Zev for an early David Bowie fan.  Not Christian Death.  But, hey, whatever works.  I should just be glad he demands music I own.  If he was a boy-band devotee I would probably find myself rather lost.) 

KSuri wrote...

Sometimes I have to wonder what really constitutes smut. A lot of what I've seen on ff.net isn't that 'smutty'.
A lot is subtle sexuality and not right in your face. I guess that I have always thought of smut as being in line with something you'd find in a romance novel. You know the ones with the sexy picture on the  cover.  LOL
Anything that doesn't drag on foreplay for three pages is pretty tame in comparison, no? Maybe I just didn't look into the M rated content on FF.net that much but that is my meager observation from what I've seen thus far.

So I'm left asking.....
What is smut? Sleaze? Sexy? Kinky? And if something truly erotic is what a person is after why look on FF.net as opposed to other known erotic sites? Wouldn't they have more saucy fiction in relationship to specific characters?

I think smut is definitely explicit, in that it would describe specific acts and so on, although it might not necessarily use the most graphic of language.  And from what I've seen, generally doesn't. 

Sleeze, to me, would be the far more graphic language, IMO, and/or the absence of other plot beyond that.  Or a plot that exists only to string one sex scene to another.

Kinky's a whole other barrel of fish.  When people say "kink meme" they mean a collection of stories/prompts on livejournal that are pretty much just sex with a set theme.  But kink in fanfic terms is not the same as it is in the rest of the world.  A fanfic "kink" might be 'fluff' or 'romance' or whatever, for example, when sweet/romantic sex is pretty far from kinky by the standard definition of the word.   And some will have actual kinks in them (BDSM, fetishism, etc), but that's not required. 
Does that make sense?

[KSuri]

@LupusYondergilr....Thanks for that last bit. It helps to explain a lot of what I've seen in passing in the descriptions on some fanfics. I had to go to google to find out what kink meme meant but I think your explanation clarified it a bit more. I did not know that kink had a different meaning in fanfiction tho. Interesting! Thank you.



Your Maggie keeps surprising the hell out of me with her casual attitude and even though I got a feel for her in the first couple of chapters she still manages to make me raise an eyebrow!

[LupusYondergirl]

Heh... You should see the story of how she and Anders met that comes up in the first story with her I wrote.

She's partly inspired by the mage Duncan meets in The Calling who smiles at him in the assembly and then, when he sneaks off to loot the place, follows him assuming they were going to hook up. I just thought, you know, sticking someone like that in the normal Ferelden world next to Alistair the Chantry Boy would be endlessly amusing.

[LupusYondergirl]

*head*

*slam*

*desk*

Somehow I uploaded a chapter using "your" instead of "you're."

That is, without a doubt, my biggest peeve in terms of abuses against the English language.

I am kicking myself. Repeatedly.

And yes, I went back and fixed it and replaced the file, but a substantial chunk of people already read it.

And now they all think I don't know the difference between your and you're. (Have I mentioned I'm an English major? For us this is like forgetting how to, I don't know, put on pants! It is THAT BAD.)

[KSuri]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

*head*
*slam*
*desk*
Somehow I uploaded a chapter using "your" instead of "you're."
That is, without a doubt, my biggest peeve in terms of abuses against the English language.
I am kicking myself. Repeatedly.
And yes, I went back and fixed it and replaced the file, but a substantial chunk of people already read it.
And now they all think I don't know the difference between your and you're. (Have I mentioned I'm an English major? For us this is like forgetting how to, I don't know, put on pants! It is THAT BAD.)

Relax, I'm sure everyone thought it was a typo....I know I did. There was another one futher up. You have I and he right next to one another. Something about "I he smiled at me". Not a big issue, it happens. 

[SurelyForth]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

*head*
*slam*
*desk*
Somehow I uploaded a chapter using "your" instead of "you're."
That is, without a doubt, my biggest peeve in terms of abuses against the English language.
I am kicking myself. Repeatedly.
And yes, I went back and fixed it and replaced the file, but a substantial chunk of people already read it.
And now they all think I don't know the difference between your and you're. (Have I mentioned I'm an English major? For us this is like forgetting how to, I don't know, put on pants! It is THAT BAD.)

I screw up your/you're and its/it's all the time. I mean, I know they mean totally different things and cringe when I see it out and about, but when my fingers are flying and I'm thinking ten words ahead, sometimes I just type a word that sounds right but isn't. It happens. 

And I got an email yesterday from an English professor who used it's instead of its. 

[LupusYondergirl]

Aaarrrggghh! Did I hit my head and forget how to proofread today?

Days like this are when I wonder if I should get a beta.

Fixed that, too.

Can I blame Dostoevsky for this? I think I'd like to. Discussing Crime and Punishment for three hours today has caused part of my brain to shut down.

And I got an email yesterday from an English professor who used it's instead of its.

When I finish my PhD can I have their job?

[Sarah1281]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

*head*
*slam*
*desk*
Somehow I uploaded a chapter using "your" instead of "you're."
That is, without a doubt, my biggest peeve in terms of abuses against the English language.
I am kicking myself. Repeatedly.
And yes, I went back and fixed it and replaced the file, but a substantial chunk of people already read it.
And now they all think I don't know the difference between your and you're. (Have I mentioned I'm an English major? For us this is like forgetting how to, I don't know, put on pants! It is THAT BAD.)

I tend to have a lot of typos. In fact, I'm nearly positive that that was why this one person stopped reading one of my stories. They kept complaining about all the typos and then mentioned that the recent chapters were getting worse as far as that went and then they removed the story from all of their lists/alerts.

[SurelyForth]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

And I got an email yesterday from an English professor who used it's instead of its.

When I finish my PhD can I have their job?

Only if you swear to not say something about the typo in your follow-up email that amounts to, "Oh, well. It's just you."

I have a lot of typos, although most are because I'm in a rush when I tweak things right before I publish. My penultimate drafts always have fewer mistakes than what I post. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 septembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[LupusYondergirl]

I had ANOTHER typo?

Christ, I give up. I'm going to go cook dinner and watch Big Bang Theory with my roommate.

[sabreene]

SurelyForth wrote...

I screw up your/you're and its/it's all the time. I mean, I know they mean totally different things and cringe when I see it out and about, but when my fingers are flying and I'm thinking ten words ahead, sometimes I just type a word that sounds right but isn't. It happens. 

And I got an email yesterday from an English professor who used it's instead of its. 

I've recently found myself using words that sound like other words when I'm typing too fast. Like typing 'class' instead of 'crash'. Then I reread and wonder what in the world is going on in my brain. The 'you're your', 'its it's', and 'they're their there' is also a pet peeve of mine, but I find myself doing it far too often - I think there must be a disconnect between my fingers and brain that's getting worse with age.

A lot of the silly nonsensical typos ( like "I we are" or verb confusions) are introduced as I edit, which seems like it's the opposite of how it should be. But when I'm writing things flow properly, and then I edit and move sentences and structure around and suddenly I've missed changing a verb or miss erasing a word from a sentence.

[sabreene]

nefand wrote...

KSuri wrote...

So I'm left asking.....
What is smut? Sleaze? Sexy? Kinky? And if something truly erotic is what a person is after why look on FF.net as opposed to other known erotic sites? Wouldn't they have more saucy fiction in relationship to specific characters?

IMO there isn't a definitive answer to the question because the answer is entirely subjective.  Every individual's interpretation of smut vs sleaze vs sexy vs kink is going to be different based on their own personal tastes and views.

The best you can do is stick your rating on the story and then be up front about why your rating is there.  Personally I think the K/T/M categorization is oversimplied and would really like to see a graded system, at least at the M level.  In my mind, there is a huge difference between a "sexual theme" vs "explicit content" vs "graphic (hardcore) content."

I'm not in the business of telling someone what they can and can't express with their literature, but at the same time I see nothing wrong with doing readers the courtesy of advising them of the depth of the themes in one's content, if that makes any sense at all.

This. I really wish there were a better way to rate stories. I always end up putting an M on mine, just because I'm afraid of subjecting people to something they don't want to read. I try to note when there is sexual content, but you never know how much is too much (or too little) for people.

On writing times -- I usually only find one or two nights a week to write, if that, so if I'm going to get a chapter out it all has to be done in that that time frame. But I can't write very well with interruptions, so I pretty much have to close out the rest of the internet when I'm writing.

And like others, if it's flowing it comes fast. If I'm trying to force an idea I can sit for three hours with just 700 words, or erase and re-write those 700 words over and over again. Last weekend I had a free afternoon & tried to force an idea -- I wrote about 2000 words of a chapter and then realized it was the totally wrong way to go and had to delete it all.

[mousestalker]

Vent



I hate typos! Really really hate them! I just looked at a story I wrote a while back and it was riddled with the pesky things. I can proofread other people's writing, why do I suck so much at proofing mine?



/Vent

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I miss typos in my stuff as well. Forever fixing bits and bobs after something's been published. I think familiarity with what you've written and knowing what it's meant to say in advance makes it easier to overlook things.



I have to say that proof-reading is a hellovalot easier if done on paper, but I never do that for fanfiction.

[DragonRacer13]

sabreene wrote...

On writing times -- I usually only find one or two nights a week to write, if that, so if I'm going to get a chapter out it all has to be done in that that time frame. But I can't write very well with interruptions, so I pretty much have to close out the rest of the internet when I'm writing.

This for me. I actually have a dedicated writing computer that has NO Internet access. That way, I can just plug in my iPod and type away. Proofread and edit as needed. Slap it on a flash drive and take it to my nice laptop to email it to my beta. Make any final edits based on her suggestions. Then, one final proofread before it goes live. But I just cannot allow myself access to the Internet on my writing computer, else I'll just end up spending the majority of the time cruising these forums or getting sucked into the black hole that is TV Tropes.  There's something nice and inspiring, to me, about being a bit old-fashioned... treating the computer like a mere word processor and consulting my *gasp* paperback dictionary and thesaurus as if the Internet and Google were a myth.