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[Sarah1281]

DreGregoire wrote...

Reika wrote...

Golems and WH take place after Awakenings.

I haven't played through either yet, but from what I understood either can be played before or after awakenings. Did anybody see a post in the forums about when they are suppose to take place? (lore wise that is) Has anybody played them before and after awakenings (or seen a post about somebody who has)? If so does the way you are refered to changed? Warden vs. Warden Commander? hmmm hey I'll just try it myself and see at least the intro to golems anyways.

You are referred to as Warden-Commander in both so since you only become Warden-Commander at the start of Awakening, it has to take place at least at some point during the game if not afterwards.

Edit: For Golems I played with a character nowhere near done with Origins and it still assumed I was the Warden-Commander.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 octobre 2010 - 04:59 .

[jackkel dragon]

DreGregoire wrote...

Reika wrote...

Golems and WH take place after Awakenings.

I haven't played through either yet, but from what I understood either can be played before or after awakenings. Did anybody see a post in the forums about when they are suppose to take place? (lore wise that is) Has anybody played them before and after awakenings (or seen a post about somebody who has)? If so does the way you are refered to changed? Warden vs. Warden Commander? hmmm hey I'll just try it myself and see at least the intro to golems anyways.

As others have said, both standalone DLC packages start after Awakening. Golems is just shortly after, and Witch Hunt is a year after Origins (Awakening is a few months after DAO.)

[jackkel dragon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: For Golems I played with a character nowhere near done with Origins and it still assumed I was the Warden-Commander.

For Golems I played with a character nowhere near done with Origins and died in the first fight.

[Reika]

jackkel dragon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: For Golems I played with a character nowhere near done with Origins and it still assumed I was the Warden-Commander.

For Golems I played with a character nowhere near done with Origins and died in the first fight.

Depends on what difficulty you have it on. Easy or Normal should be doable, but it's meant for a high level warden. 20+ iirc. Hard or Nightmare is difficult, I still have yet to do it on that mode.

WH was ridiculously easy even in Nightmare and I generally play on normal.

[Aroihkin]

Writers who post on FFnet may be interested to know that, at some point in the recent past, every single -- got converted to a single -.

I assume it's part of their crusade of stupid against text-based linebreaks, and am kind of surprised they didn't just delete every - in fics.

...Well, again. Anyway. I think they did that once in 2002, but I could be remembering when they slaughtered every single asterisk and tilde and all of their extended families.

[Reika]

Hm, good thing I don't tend to using multiple dashes then. I'm overly fond of ellipses though, hope they don't trash them.

[DreGregoire]

Wait I thought Awakenings was a year after the defeat of the blight. I really need to find an official timeline somewhere. LOL

[nefand]

DreGregoire wrote...

Dragon Age FanFiction: So like I said before I'm trying to get back into the swing of writing my dao fanfiction. My problem right now is trying to decide how in depth to get into describing dlc's. I was thinking I had a free six months or so (before awakenings events) to write my own adventure but since my aonghas is having trouble leaving and staying away from denerim, I realized yikes it's dlc time. Heh. It's odd because I started out having about 10 months of free rein and then I kept getting dragged back to denerim and now the time crunch becomes more significant. I almost feel like the dlc's are controlling the next chapter, I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it feels odd. Anybody else writing fan fic for the time between archdemon defeat and awakenings? If so how are you dealing with the dlc's? L2A

Yes.  And I'm ignoring the DLC's that don't add any value to my story.

Three things here, I think:

1. No rule that says you have to adhere to the timeline in the DLC's with your fanfic, and to be completely honest... Bioware hasn't really stayed 100% faithful to their own timelines in the DLC's or the rest of the franchise.  They wiggle when it suits them; so can you.

2. As I understand it, none of the DLC's are canon material, so you can pick and choose what to acknowledge and what to ignore.

3. There's no rule that says things have to go down the way the DLC or game says they went down.  This one is tricky, but important to grasp, IMO.  Key events are static, but the circumstances surrounding those events are not.  So if you feel some DLC is dictating circumstances to you, take a step back and think about what's important in the DLC: is it that X occured at the end, or that Y and Z happened to make X occur?

If all that matters is X, then can you manipulate Y and Z to be what you want them to be instead of what Bioware said they were?

(Personally I hate boxes, and try to break out of them whenever I can.)

[Maria13]

Of all the DLCs I've only really used RtO which I think is the most organic of the lot... I've also mentioned that Wardens Peak exists, but just in passing...

[Sarah1281]

Aroihkin wrote...

Writers who post on FFnet may be interested to know that, at some point in the recent past, every single -- got converted to a single -.

I assume it's part of their crusade of stupid against text-based linebreaks, and am kind of surprised they didn't just delete every - in fics.

...Well, again. Anyway. I think they did that once in 2002, but I could be remembering when they slaughtered every single asterisk and tilde and all of their extended families.

Oh, wonderful. I used to use '- -' as a line-break but a few months ago it deleted all of them so now I keep having people reviewing my stories and oh-so-helpfully suggesting that I seperate different scenes so it's less confusing.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .

[LupusYondergirl]

The kink meme is back!



Also, as someone with a post-Awakenings story...

screw it. Seriously. The DLC makes NO SENSE in the context of the epilogues.



Sigrun, Oghren, Anders, and Nathaniel all end up staying Wardens in my cannon playthrough, and yet the commander goes to Orzammar without bringing any of them? And chasing after Morrigan? Makes no sense. They do call you the commander, no matter what you import, too.

I can't think of any rational reason Maggie would:

1. Even WANT to look for Morrigan, who she has dismissed as a betraying b*tch that only pretended to be her friend and could have brought disaster on the world

2. Go traipsing off to Orzammar to the Deep Roads without bringing a single other Warden to back her. IIRC you meet Jerrik Dace once you're already there. Which means your warden has been bopping along all by themselves in Darkspawn City. (seriously?? That's some death wish **** right there. Actually, that's some 'fate worse than death' **** right there. I can't imagine a single sane female Warden would go into the deep roads without another warden at their side unless they had no intention of walking out again.)



I'm incorporating the three earlier DLCs from the blight timeframe into my other story, though.

[Reika]

DreGregoire wrote...

Wait I thought Awakenings was a year
after the defeat of the blight. I really need to find an official
timeline somewhere. LOL

It's about six months later. I'm probably going to alter it in my story because otherwise my character is going from getting married to Amaranthine. I can't see her going for that.

nefand wrote...

3. There's no rule that says things have to go down the way the DLC or game says they went down.  This one is tricky, but important to grasp, IMO.  Key events are static, but the circumstances surrounding those events are not.  So if you feel some DLC is dictating circumstances to you, take a step back and think about what's important in the DLC: is it that X occured at the end, or that Y and Z happened to make X occur?

If all that matters is X, then can you manipulate Y and Z to be what you want them to be instead of what Bioware said they were?

(Personally I hate boxes, and try to break out of them whenever I can.)

I completely agree. Keep the main elements: Blight, treaties, landsmeet. But handle the timing and interactions your way. I can understand for gameplay why you're limited to your Warden and 3 party members, but in some cases it doesn't really work storywise.

That's the fun part of fanfic, you're keeping the main elements, but re-writing stuff to fit your head.

[DreGregoire]

@ nefand
Thank you for the thoughtful response to my post. You made very valid points that I agree with strongly.

@ all:
And the lack of a real timeline from bioware is starting to irritate me. I mean I wouldn't even care if they took the easy way out and said the timeline was flexible, but I would like some type of response. I just did some searching around and I've decided there is no way awakenings could have taken place less than a year from the defeat. You see Wynne there and she's already completed her adventure with Shale and is on to more things. Then I find out that there are mentions in witchhunt that show that it takes place more like two years after the blight. So what I'm going to do is take the time to play through the golems and witch hunt and base the timeline off what I find in game. I've been getting a bit of miss information so there is nothing I can do but do the research myself. LOL. Oh tragedy I'll have to play dragon age dlc's for that hahaha. *hugs*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:40 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Aroihkin wrote...

Writers who post on FFnet may be interested to know that, at some point in the recent past, every single -- got converted to a single -.

I assume it's part of their crusade of stupid against text-based linebreaks, and am kind of surprised they didn't just delete every - in fics.

...Well, again. Anyway. I think they did that once in 2002, but I could be remembering when they slaughtered every single asterisk and tilde and all of their extended families.

English major hat time!
In conversation when you want to indicate a sudden break in dialogue, say by an interruption, you would use a  extra long dash.  In microsoft word when you type two short dashes it automatically converts it to a long dash (aka the em dash).  Open office and the ffnet editor do not, unless it's imported with an em dash or pasted from word.

So what should be:
“I’m talking now! And I’m going to keep talk—”
“I'm interrupting you!”

instead becomes:
“I’m talking now! And I’m going to keep talk--”
“I'm interrupting you!”

Which is subtle, but the second is actually incorrect.  I suspect what they're doing has something to do with that.
(Will not get into the use of ... where — would be correct.  Or why ffnet seems to think - and — are interchangeable when they are not.  Sometimes it's best just to hum and pretend not to see things or nothing short of an MLA handbook will keep you from pulling our your hair.)

I would imagine they're not deleting every hyphen because it's a legitimate and necessary part of the language, though.  I mean, how would you include numbers or fractions, or link multiple adjectives? 
"I saw at least thirty-seven world-weary veterans leaning against the wall"
Without dashes?  Grammar salad.

Maybe if you use that to indicate a page break, maybe switch to a horizontal rule?  Word, open office, and their editor all support it.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:46 .

[nefand]

Here's my question: If someone says something that sort of rains on your fanfic parade, and you're having trouble getting the creative part of your brain to cooperate in the aftermath (even though the rational part of your brain has completely dismissed the rain and the someone as being petty and stupid), and you Just. Can't. Write. no matter how long you sit there and stare at the screen... those darn words won't come...



What do you do?



(I should caveat the question with "I have laryngitis/pharyngitis and a low grade fever + headache atm" so going outside for a walk or driving up to the lake to drink some beers and watch the boaters aren't really options...)

[Reika]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

The kink meme is back!

Also, as someone with a post-Awakenings story...
screw it. Seriously. The DLC makes NO SENSE in the context of the epilogues.

Sigrun, Oghren, Anders, and Nathaniel all end up staying Wardens in my cannon playthrough, and yet the commander goes to Orzammar without bringing any of them? And chasing after Morrigan? Makes no sense. They do call you the commander, no matter what you import, too.
I can't think of any rational reason Maggie would:
1. Even WANT to look for Morrigan, who she has dismissed as a betraying b*tch that only pretended to be her friend and could have brought disaster on the world
2. Go traipsing off to Orzammar to the Deep Roads without bringing a single other Warden to back her. IIRC you meet Jerrik Dace once you're already there. Which means your warden has been bopping along all by themselves in Darkspawn City. (seriously?? That's some death wish **** right there. Actually, that's some 'fate worse than death' **** right there. I can't imagine a single sane female Warden would go into the deep roads without another warden at their side unless they had no intention of walking out again.)

I'm incorporating the three earlier DLCs from the blight timeframe into my other story, though.

I agree about going into the Deep Roads alone, male or female. Though I think being a Warden would keep a woman from getting turned into a Broodmother. Would rather not find out the hard way though.

Marlana would go after Morrigan because she still considered the woman a friend, she wouldn't take Ariane or Finn though. She doesn't know either one and why take people she doesn't know and trust when she can take some of her Wardens with her?

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

2. Go traipsing off to Orzammar to the Deep Roads without bringing a single other Warden to back her. IIRC you meet Jerrik Dace once you're already there. Which means your warden has been bopping along all by themselves in Darkspawn City. (seriously?? That's some death wish **** right there. Actually, that's some 'fate worse than death' **** right there. I can't imagine a single sane female Warden would go into the deep roads without another warden at their side unless they had no intention of walking out again.)

I'm incorporating the three earlier DLCs from the blight timeframe into my other story, though.

hehe I suppose you could just play through and then retell it with your grey wardens beside you

[DreGregoire]

nefand wrote...

Here's my question: If someone says something that sort of rains on your fanfic parade, and you're having trouble getting the creative part of your brain to cooperate in the aftermath (even though the rational part of your brain has completely dismissed the rain and the someone as being petty and stupid), and you Just. Can't. Write. no matter how long you sit there and stare at the screen... those darn words won't come...

What do you do?

(I should caveat the question with "I have laryngitis/pharyngitis and a low grade fever + headache atm" so going outside for a walk or driving up to the lake to drink some beers and watch the boaters aren't really options...)

This has got to be the hardest thing to overcome. I almost didn't keep posting on fanfiction because of what somebody said, but then I was like pfft. I'm writing it for me more than anything. If one person ruins it but you see that others are reading without posting. Should you allow that one to ruin your high? Common sense says no but I find it not so easy to set that frusteration aside. Then I started to think.... hmmm... my passion for the writing of fan fiction needs to outweigh the disappointment of others.

You can totally overcome this! Just decide if you think the points are valid or not to the direction you want your fan fiction to go. If they are not valid in your eyes, they are meaningless to your story. Chin up, deep breaths, and lotsa sticking out of your tongue at the nay sayers. Then troop onwards because your goals are more important than anything else. *hugs*

[DreGregoire]

@ LupusYondergirl

This is somebody interupting right? I always use "And I'm going to keep talk..."

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire wrote...

@ LupusYondergirl

This is somebody interupting right? I always use "And I'm going to keep talk..."

I've never used (--, converted to one line) to indicate a person interupting another. l always used it when a person is talking and then interupts themselves with another thought, but maybe I've been doing it wrong for over 20 years hahahah

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:59 .

[Reika]

nefand wrote...

Here's my question: If someone says something that sort of rains on your fanfic parade, and you're having trouble getting the creative part of your brain to cooperate in the aftermath (even though the rational part of your brain has completely dismissed the rain and the someone as being petty and stupid), and you Just. Can't. Write. no matter how long you sit there and stare at the screen... those darn words won't come...

What do you do?

(I should caveat the question with "I have laryngitis/pharyngitis and a low grade fever + headache atm" so going outside for a walk or driving up to the lake to drink some beers and watch the boaters aren't really options...)

I go do something else like read, or maybe fire up a different game (ME2 is fun for that), or try a totally new playthrough on DAO.

[LupusYondergirl]

DreGregoire wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

@ LupusYondergirl

This is somebody interupting right? I always use "And I'm going to keep talk..."

I've
never used (--, converted to one line) to indicate a person interupting
another. l always used it when a person is talking and then interupts
themselves with another thought, but maybe I've been doing it wrong for
over 20 years hahahah

Technically an ellipsis (three periods) would be used to indicate a pause in conversation or a trailing off, not an abrupt break. (which some people still don't even accept as proper, but I think a century of established usage trumps my creative writing professor last semester.)

Or it's used, more traditionally, for an omission of text from a quoted passage, but that wouldn't really apply to fiction.

It's fiddly stuff that almost no one does right, including quite a few published authors.  I just know it because I have no choice.  The same reason I know where one would apply a comma, semicolon, or colon.  To think, I used to know things like the best places to get cool boots and the BPM of almost every Ministry song. 

I honestly wouldn't worry about it, though.  I'm one of those OCD academia types.

I just think the two dash to single dash conversion is the reasoning behind their change, since the most common word processing program supports it when the second most common does not.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 03 octobre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Sarah1281]

Though I think being a Warden would keep a woman from getting turned into a Broodmother. Would rather not find out the hard way though.

That was confirmed, yeah, but how in the world would the Warden know that? They're not even positive about the Warden-baby things we know about.



@nefand: I don't do anything more related to fanfiction at all for the rest of the day and the next day I'm usually not so concerned about it anymore. If it's an anonymous review, I always end up deleting it as well because looking back at that kind of negativity is just not good for productivity.

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Technically an ellipsis (three periods) would be used to indicate a pause in conversation or a trailing off, not an abrupt break.
Or an omission of text from a quoted passage, but that wouldn't really apply to fiction.

Wow... I totally need to do some major rewrites on my short stories over the years hahah. I'm glad you brought this up. 

If a program doesn't allow for the EM dash then -- would be the way to go. I remember having to do that long ago on some odd ball software program that didn't allow for it.

I don't know if this will help or not but I found this information:

In Unicode, the en dash is U+2013 (decimal 8211). In HTML, one may use the numeric forms

–

or

–

; there is also an HTML entity

–

. In TeX, the en dash may normally (depending on the font) be input as a double hyphen-minus (

--

). On a computer running the Mac OS X operating system, most keyboard layouts map an en dash to ⌥-hyphen. On Microsoft Windows, an en dash may be entered as Alt+0150 (where the digits are typed on the numeric keypad while holding down the Alt key).

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 octobre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Reika]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Though I think being a Warden would keep a woman from getting turned into a Broodmother. Would rather not find out the hard way though.

That was confirmed, yeah, but how in the world would the Warden know that? They're not even positive about the Warden-baby things we know about.

 

Because being a Warden protects them from other things the Taint can do to a non-warden.