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[inquartata02]

...I will never look at chocolate cake the same way again.

[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...

@Sarah
Then I probably misunderstood what you were saying about your reviewers.

The logical flaws I meant are part of the prompt but they are more obvious if you actually write a story about it.
1) The concept of a legal age would imply that people are aware that children and adolescents are no small adults and have to be protected.
2) Let's assume Ferelden had a grasp on this concept that would prevent the Wardens from fighting a duel on their own behalf, then minors wouldn't be allowed to be recruited by a military order either.
3) At the Landsmeet they are not allowed to fight a duel because they are under age but are subsequently legally executed.

I thought your reviewers picked up on that. Maybe they did and just couldn't explain themselves.

1) I don't think you need a well-defined concept of childhood or the need to protect children in order to have an age of majority. That's just when they are considered old enough to do things such as inherit property, hold titles on their own, ect. Kings and Queens had regents if they weren't of the age of majority, for instance. I do not see why Ferelden also having an age of majority is bizarre. For the sake of the story, that age was 21.

I found this from 'The Medieval Child' on about.com. " Inheritance laws set the age of majority at 21, expecting a certain level of maturity before entrusting a young individual with financial responsibility." 

2) I also found this which, while on Wikipedia, sounds right to me. "Throughout history and in many cultures, children have been extensively involved in military campaigns even when such practices were supposedly against cultural morals." People have also been lying about their age and fighting anyway for centuries. Alistair and the CE were both conscripted even though their ages would have been known and if Wardens can technically conscript kings (though not without consequences), I'm sure they can get away with conscripting those that have not reached the age of majority.

3) The Landsmeet agrees to the duel. Afstanna is their spokesman but no one speaks out against it and in the story not letting them fight was put to a vote. The Landsmeet does not vote or get any sort of say in whether the person they've just granted ruling power to can kill or imprison their opposition at the Landsmeet. Anora doesn't have to ask if she can kill Alistair, if she is talked into exiling him she doesn't have to ask, Alistiar doesn't need permission to imprison Anora, Loghain doesn't get permission to have you, Alistair, and Eamon executed if you lose the Landsmeet before you fight and get the matter decided by a duel...why should Loghain have to get the matter voted on here? In my story it goes like this: 

"The age of majority in Ferelden is twenty-one," Ceorlic declared dramatically. "It would be an insult to have mere children decide the fate of our great nation."
"I'll be twenty-one in three weeks!" Alistair protested.
"Good for you," Ceorlic deadpanned. "If the Landsmeet had taken place three weeks from now then that might have been relevant."
"Bann Ceorlic has opposed allowing the Wardens to fight this duel themselves on account of them being underage," the Revered Mother announced just in case somebody hadn't been listening. She called for another vote. It was close, but the Landsmeet ruled to not allow anyone who wasn't twenty-one yet to fight.

We know the word 'child' is around as everyone keeps talking about how upsetting Connor being an abomination is as he's a child. The Landsmeet, again, votes to not let them fight but doesn't get a say in them being executed. Maybe it's a wall-banger that they're old enough to die but not old enough to fight a Landsmeet duel but I don't see why that's a failing on the part of my story.

And it was just the one reviewer.

[mousestalker]

Let the Mabari fight then. He's bound to be over 21, in dog years.



<====Deliberately missing the point.

Modifié par mousestalker, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Sarah1281]

mousestalker wrote...

Let the Mabari fight then. He's bound to be over 21, in dog years.



<====Deliberately missing the point.

The responsibility to duel/choose a champion then fell to Eamon and we all knows how he feels about Mabari duelling.

[Reika]

Sarah1281 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Let the Mabari fight then. He's bound to be over 21, in dog years.



<====Deliberately missing the point.

The responsibility to duel/choose a champion then fell to Eamon and we all knows how he feels about Mabari duelling.

He's obviously never been imprinted by a mabari if he thinks they can be that easily swayed. 

[Miri1984]

Ha, it must be my week for wacky reviewers. Got one saying that Aedan was a c*ck. Succinct and hilarious. Got another one - three pages long - ranting about how Aedan was the good character and everyone else who objects to him slaughtering innocents and elves are stupid because he's doing it for the good of Ferelden.



Can I just say, I'm pretty chuffed about both of them? I must be doing something right if my characters are pissing people off. Hooray!

[inquartata02]

Here's a question: do you guys reply to reviews? From when I wrote a few years ago in another fandom, I don't recall the 'reply to reviewer' feature being there. Now that it's there, I'm not sure if I'm being totally inconsiderate by not replying.



Also, Miri: Your Aedan is a highly entertaining jerk. It's awesome.

[LupusYondergirl]

I reply to most reviews. If it's just a one line gush like "great chapter!" or whatever I don't. But if it's a longer review that mentions some specific detail or asks a question I will.

[tartmuse]

inquartata02 wrote...

Here's a question: do you guys reply to reviews? From when I wrote a few years ago in another fandom, I don't recall the 'reply to reviewer' feature being there. Now that it's there, I'm not sure if I'm being totally inconsiderate by not replying.

All the time.

If someone takes the time to read what I've written and give me feedback, I am more than happy to take time out of my day to respond and thank them! It is the least I can do.  Plus, the reply function lets me privately address reader concerns should they arise, and answer questions that appear in a review.  I've also created quite a few friendships via that reply function, hah.  I'll reply to a review, and then the reviewer will PM me with a response to the reply, and we'll just banter back and forth and establish a great relationship.  It helps to keep inspiration flowing and maintain the drive to finish. 
  

[Raonar]

inquartata02 wrote...

Here's a question: do you guys reply to reviews? From when I wrote a few years ago in another fandom, I don't recall the 'reply to reviewer' feature being there. Now that it's there, I'm not sure if I'm being totally inconsiderate by not replying.

Also, Miri: Your Aedan is a highly entertaining jerk. It's awesome.

I also always reply to reviews, especially considering that I get quite few reviews per chapter, and only Sarah1281 goes to any sort of length to write detailed and explicit ones.

I guess the reason is that it's dwarf-centric, and DA dwarves have a very small fandom it seems.

Modifié par Raonar, 24 octobre 2010 - 09:44 .

[soignee]

I am bad with reviews. Very bad. I'm like it on Deviant Art too, I never respond. I get embarrassed and I don't know what to say back, even though it's very rude.

Sorry if you have said something and I haven;'t replied, it's nerves. <.<

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I normally don't reply, unless the review contained questions or feedback that I can respond to with more than a 'thank you'.



I also started on FF.Net before there was a reply to review function, so any responses I made were via PM or as a review (bad form? I don't care. It worked).



I don't think it's rude not to reply, personally. Writing the next chapter is my 'thank you! because you like it I feel motivated to continue with the story '

[Reika]

I don't get many hits, so when I do get a review, I like to reply in some way.

[Raonar]

Momentous occasion! I think I just got my first marathon reviewer (besides Sarah1281 of course).



*grins with glee*

[Merilsell]

Reika wrote...

I don't get many hits, so when I do get a review, I like to reply in some way.

Same here.

What I want for Christmas or earlier, is a regular reviewer. Aww, I never have regular reviews, just always new people popping in and giving feedback, but never again after the one time. Not that I complain about them doing that, mind you, but it would be awesome to have a person doing that well...more regularly.

Pleeeaaase Santa? xD 

[LupusYondergirl]

So, here's a question. Just how primitive do all of you mentally picture Ferelden? Thinking of it since I'm watching The Lion in Winter now and it matches up so much with my mental image of what their castles look like, I'm realizing I must have had it in mind when I started writing.

Dogs everywhere, straw on the ground, animal skins on the floors and beds.



I don't know... in the game it just seems so... nice for a country everyone calls barbaric, I figure it's probably a lot rougher around the edges than that. And I'm wondering if the fact that I do write it as being a lot more primitive than it looks in game would make it AU.

[FutileSine]

Merilsell wrote...

Reika wrote...

I don't get many hits, so when I do get a review, I like to reply in some way.

Same here.

What I want for Christmas or earlier, is a regular reviewer. Aww, I never have regular reviews, just always new people popping in and giving feedback, but never again after the one time. Not that I complain about them doing that, mind you, but it would be awesome to have a person doing that well...more regularly.

Pleeeaaase Santa? xD 

In regards to reviews, I've found that the community tends to be very "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours."  Not in all cases, of course (some FF writers actually try to have lives outside of FF, sillies!) but usually.  

I always love the random review from someone who came across my story - but the regulars are great too.  And as a note, the people who regularly post reviews on my stories are people whom I regularly post reviews on their stories.  Fellow authors are so great because they understand what a thrill it is to get a review- and thus their reviews are usually a bit lengthier.    


What I would suggest doing is start reading and reviewing other people's works, if time allows.  Not only does this expose you to some greeaaaaaaat FF out there, but your back may be scratched in return.  Especially if you leave nice reviews - IE just not say "Great chapter!".  

There are a lot of great stories out there  - sometimes people need some added incentive to check yours out.    

[Sandtigress]

The beginning of the Calling mentions rushes on the floor and drafty castles and what not, so I imagine my image of Ferelden is pretty close to yours, Lupus.

[FutileSine]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

So, here's a question. Just how primitive do all of you mentally picture Ferelden? Thinking of it since I'm watching The Lion in Winter now and it matches up so much with my mental image of what their castles look like, I'm realizing I must have had it in mind when I started writing.
Dogs everywhere, straw on the ground, animal skins on the floors and beds.

I don't know... in the game it just seems so... nice for a country everyone calls barbaric, I figure it's probably a lot rougher around the edges than that. And I'm wondering if the fact that I do write it as being a lot more primitive than it looks in game would make it AU.

I'd say its pretty darn barbaric.  A lot of what would make Ferelden primitive wouldn't be noticed to those of us playing a game.  The drafts through cracks between wood or in cold stone castles, for instance - beyond the fact that the game seems to be set in permanent moderate weather (barring RTO and when you travel up into the mountains), the sheer shoddy construction would be lost on us.  

Isn't there one city that uses mages to light its lamplights?  One of the things that may be holding Ferelden back is its fears of mages - I imagine the great houses/nobles in other countries will have had runes made for them by their mages circle - things that could make their lives easier.  I have yet to hear of a rune being used for warmth, or for perpetual water, for instance.  The ability to make their lives a little bit better is there - Ferelden just doesn't make use of it.  Primitive.  

Nevermind the fact that the game doesn't get into the smells!  How would Denerim smell?  More importantly if you want to see how primitive it is - how does it deal with its human waste?  Is it truly like a stereotypical medieval city and a large majority of the population just tossing their sewage out the window,..or have they found some way to deal with it.  For some odd reason, I think the cities of Orlais and elsewhere would have....Denerim?  Ehh.... 

ETA:  I really don't want to do homework right now...can you tell?

Modifié par FutileSine, 25 octobre 2010 - 01:23 .

[Miri1984]

@Lupus - 16th or 17th century England is how I picture it.

[inquartata02]

 

soignee wrote...

I am bad with reviews. Very bad. I'm like it on Deviant Art too, I never respond. I get embarrassed and I don't know what to say back, even though it's very rude.
Sorry if you have said something and I haven;'t replied, it's nerves. <.<

I'm the same way!

Merilsell wrote...

Reika wrote...


I don't get many hits, so when I do get a review, I like to reply in some way.

Same here. 


What I want for Christmas or earlier, is a regular reviewer. Aww, I never have regular reviews, just always new people popping in and giving feedback, but never again after the one time. Not that I complain about them doing that, mind you, but it would be awesome to have a person doing that well...more re

This reminds me that I really need to break my bad habit of not reading reviews even when I really enjoy stories. I do review if I happen to be on my laptop when I read them, but most of the time I'm reading it on my ipad via Instapaper and that means jumping through six different hoops to leave a review. But when I see writers talking about lack of reviews for stories that I've read and enjoyed, I feel a bit guilty. Yes, I believe I'll have to fix that.


And reply to more reviews. Also feeling guilty about  not replying, now. 

Modifié par inquartata02, 25 octobre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Miri1984]

I nearly always reply to reviews, usually in the hope that people will get into a long and involved discussion of my character motivations because I REALLY LIKE talking about myself. Sometimes it happens. Mostly it doesn't, but hope springs eternal .



If it's just a "great chapter" or "this sucks" I'll reply with a "Thanks!"

[Sarah1281]

I respond to reviews...sometimes. Like, if they have a question or said something interesting.



For instance, I just got a review from someone asking me if I was against Alistair/Angélique and am now kind of curious as to whether they think she's an actual character and not just one particular Warden so I replied to that. I mean, if they were going to ask about my feelings on Alistair/Warden or Alistair/Amell that would make more sense but Alistair/Angélique? ALISTAIR is against that particular pairing.

[sabreene]

I've responded to nearly every review as well. Or at least I hope I have! I don't get a lot of hits or reviews either, so I want to make sure anyone who does take the time to review me knows I appreciate it.



But, I'm bad about reviewing myself. A lot of times even when I really like a story, I can't think of anything to say except, "I liked it!", but I feel like I should write more than that and as a result, I don't say anything at all.



In regards to Ferelden -- definitely drafty castles. I see some of the bigger cities, like Denerim and probably Amaranthine, as being cleaner/more worldly than most of Ferelden, especially after the Orlesian occupation. They might have someone that lights candle street lamps in the rich section of the city, and perhaps someone who goes about in a cart cleaning up the manure and dog poo, although I still imagine it would stink, with the amount of people, garbage and emptied chamber pots.



The rest of the country and Arlings/Banns I picture as primitive, but marginally less smelly since the people are spread out more. Lots of soot from fires and candles/lamps, the poorer farmers having stamped dirt floors with rushes/straw.



They have all those tubs all over the place in game, so I kept those in the richer areas but still have servants carry water to them, and then need to drain them afterward.

[Addai]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

I don't know... in the game it just seems so... nice for a country everyone calls barbaric, I figure it's probably a lot rougher around the edges than that. And I'm wondering if the fact that I do write it as being a lot more primitive than it looks in game would make it AU.

I picture it as similar to Roman Britain, where there are in fact vestiges of higher civilization but they are not uniform.  So you have the nice bathtubs, and probably old sanitation and water systems in the major cities, but the outlying countryside gets rough fast.  Only in the alienage do you see what are probably open sewers.

They were held by the Imperium and for 70 years by Orlais, which means the nobility would be used to a decent standard.  Duncan has some good description of the palace at the beginning of TC.  It's probably dirtier and darker than in the game, but he's still impressed by it.  Not that a street kid would have seen grand palaces.

The description "barbaric" came from Celene and she is making a point not to underrate them.  She could be speaking politically though since people talk about Ferelden smelling bad (like "wet dog") it's obviously not up to Orlesian sensibilities.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 octobre 2010 - 02:51 .