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[Maria13]

On criticism. Unless I am moved positively either by subject matter or narrative skill, I don't review. Everybody has bad stuff anyway, and sometimes you are not going to appreciate what somebody else has written, because the content or the style is just not your cup of tea, even if it might have some very good points to it. As someone said above, we do it for love and that alone should be respected.

[LupusYondergirl]

I'm of the same mind. I don't leave bad reviews. If I don't like something I just won't keep reading. It may not be something I enjoy, but that doesn't make it bad. We've all got our own tastes and so on. After all, almost every television show I like gets canceled while things I hate run for years on end. I'm clearly not a bottom-line taste arbiter.



The closest I'll come to that is if I see a typo or the like in a story I regularly read. I might drop a line and let the author know in private, and I'd hope people would do the same for me! Which isn't a bad review, just a heads up.

[Sarah1281]

I suppose not but if you get a review from somebody who hasn't reviewed before just saying 'You put Mts. instead of Mrs.' or whatever without even mentioning if you like the story then I find it kind of annoying. I don't think I've gotten one of those kinds of reviews in awhile, though.

[LupusYondergirl]

Ouch, I'd never do that. I mean if I see something on the story of someone I know. (and pointing that out in a review just seems tacky. That's why email and the like exist.)

[LupusYondergirl]

OK, this is awesome so I need to share.
The first chapter of Blue Skies, translated into Russian.

*dances*
I've never had anything of mine translated into another language!

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 27 octobre 2010 - 09:57 .

[Sarah1281]

Congrats!

[Merilsell]

That's really cool ^^

I could translate my own FF into German...but I'm somehow to lazy to do that :x

[LupusYondergirl]

I don't speak anything besides English decently enough to translate. I wish I did, though. (actually, I just wish I was fluent in another language. that would be great)

My Latin is godawful (and, well, that would be a pointless exercise anyways), and my Irish is almost as rusty.

[inquartata02]

I recently had a reviewer pick up a continuity error a chapter or so ago. I'm still shocked that I missed it and I'm really glad she spoke up so I could fix it. I'm all for constructive criticism, personally.



But there really can be a lot of destructive jerks out there.

And it seems that I actually pulled it off.



Which is a bit... disconcerting.

No, no. That's not disconcerting. That's awesome.

[Sarah1281]

Reviewers pointing out continuity errors? Very helpful. Someone sent me a review reply once complaining because in their story (KotOR) they put at the end of their most recent chapter that they had to deliver a cure to somebody and yet since I had read the whole story in one sitting, I remembered they'd already done that a few chapter back. She, writing over a period of months, had forgotten but I had it all in front of me. The reply was pretty nasty and saying that she was doing the best I could so how dare I judge her, blah, blah, blah...I was pretty shocked she'd fly off the handle since it would be really easy to fix (remove the last line in the most recent chapter). Needless to say, as good as the story was I did stop reading it.

I also dislike it when authors invite you to stop reading their story. I've had to do this only once but, well, they clearly weren't enjoying the story but the authors I've had do the same to me did it over far less severe reasons. Say 'You made X a pedophile?!?!' is apparently a stop-reading-my-story offense as is asking why all of the various OCs in a story always seemed to like the protagonist and his family. And not just that, they ALL said how 'remarkable' they were. They didn't even use any synonyms. The response? 'If you don't like it, don't read it.' Trust me, I don't. But once people tell me to stop reading their story, I always do no matter how much I might like it because I can't that overreaction to a simple question and clearly they're not open to anything even vaguely resembling criticism.

Though OTOH it can be annoying if a ton of people review the same chapter to say the same thing. I have a HP chapter story where in chapter fifteen Hermione can't check out Hogwarts: A History because Luna decided to check out both copies right when everyone else wanted to borrow it. Even though it had happened a good seven/eight chapters back, I got a ton of people helpfully reminding me that she already had it. In canon, she had it too but had to leave it behind because there was no room in her trunk and she apparently couldn't carry it aboard the train. I made an AN a few chapters later that explained it wasn't a mistake but I still have a huge number of reviews for that chapter and easily half - and maybe more - mention in some manner my 'mistake.'

Modifié par Sarah1281, 28 octobre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Aroihkin]

*unlurks*

The only critisism I've ever facepalmed at was when someone who really liked my fic -- not in this fandom -- went on at length about the writing style of the first half being kind of weak and the plot sort of flopping around a bit. The reason for the facepalm is that the first half of that story had been written five years ago, and the second half had all been written in a half-month period right before the review. As in, December 2009. XD And this review was posted at the end of all of it.

(The first half being too huge and too unwieldy to really go back and... fix. Though I'll probably re-write it all anyway.)

Anyway, the real facepalm came from the fact that all of the stuff that wasn't... five years old? Was great and didn't have the wobbly plot and not-as-strong writing style, and they said as much in the same breath. So it left me going ...yes, but that other part is ooooooold. D:

Man, I'm not articulating well. Anyway, it was still a cool review and not at all ragey or anything, but it did make me point plaintively to the dates posted on those original chapters. And make big moist eyes at people I knew. And I mean Big Moist Eyes. "The first half doesn't completely ruin the second half, does it? Does it? WHY DID I RESURRECT FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER WHYYYYY--!" "It's fine. It's just old." "*sniff* Q____Q you're sure?" "Yes. Now go write porn." "Okay..."

XD

*relurks!*

Modifié par Aroihkin, 28 octobre 2010 - 06:14 .

[jackkel dragon]

I don't know if this has been shared or not, but I found this recently: http://social.biowar...45947/8#4752849

Sheryl Chee wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...
1) What happens to Finn we can infer that he was going to die from what the statue said

Finn took it to mean that he was going to die, but he was wrong. What the statue saw was that Finn would not return to the tower to speak with her. I always saw Finn and Ariane as a duo. After Witch Hunt, they go off together and have fun little adventures.

Is that why I had the urge to write Ariane/Finn fanfic after playing Witch Hunt?

[maxernst]

Aroihkin wrote...

*unlurks*

The only critisism I've ever facepalmed at was when someone who really liked my fic -- not in this fandom -- went on at length about the writing style of the first half being kind of weak and the plot sort of flopping around a bit. The reason for the facepalm is that the first half of that story had been written five years ago, and the second half had all been written in a half-month period right before the review. As in, December 2009. XD And this review was posted at the end of all of it.

(The first half being too huge and too unwieldy to really go back and... fix. Though I'll probably re-write it all anyway.)

Anyway, the real facepalm came from the fact that all of the stuff that wasn't... five years old? Was great and didn't have the wobbly plot and not-as-strong writing style, and they said as much in the same breath. So it left me going ...yes, but that other part is ooooooold. D:

Man, I'm not articulating well. Anyway, it was still a cool review and not at all ragey or anything, but it did make me point plaintively to the dates posted on those original chapters. And make big moist eyes at people I knew. And I mean Big Moist Eyes. "The first half doesn't completely ruin the second half, does it? Does it? WHY DID I RESURRECT FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER WHYYYYY--!" "It's fine. It's just old." "*sniff* Q____Q you're sure?" "Yes. Now go write porn." "Okay..."

XD

*relurks!*

Hmm...I'm not sure I quite understand that reaction. Isn't it good to know that you've improved?  It's a lot better than the recurring chorus in "Stardust Memories" where people keep telling the director they're huge fans of his films "especially the early funny ones".

[Corker]

jackkel dragon wrote...

I don't know if this has been shared or not, but I found this recently: http://social.biowar...45947/8#4752849

Sheryl Chee wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...
1) What happens to Finn we can infer that he was going to die from what the statue said

Finn took it to mean that he was going to die, but he was wrong. What the statue saw was that Finn would not return to the tower to speak with her. I always saw Finn and Ariane as a duo. After Witch Hunt, they go off together and have fun little adventures.

Is that why I had the urge to write Ariane/Finn fanfic after playing Witch Hunt?

*cough* *cough*

[jackkel dragon]

@Corker: Subscribed. I need to catch up on FF this weekend...

[Merilsell]

So how long does everyone here believes takes the journey through the Deep Roads during the Anvil of the void" Quest in real time? Is three weeks too much time, how I have estimated it? (because it's quite the distance to walk after all)

Yeah, resurrected thread is resurrected.

[Maria13]

I'd say even longer than that given that you are not just walking but dodging traps, fighting battles, recovering and resting and such... Six weeks?

[LupusYondergirl]

I agree, I gave it over a month. Consider each thaig to be the size of a city (since Orzammar was once just a thaig, after all)... how long would it take to walk three cities away? Even for people like the Warden and their party, who are probably in much better physical condition than the majority of us and far more accustomed to walking, they still probably can't go more than 20 miles or so a day. They'll have to stop for meals and rest, and sleep breaks would probably need to be more than eight hours total so everyone got a full night's worth of rest even with taking a watch.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

While the Deep Roads 'map' doesn't really offer us anything to scale off of, three to six weeks to account for travel, battle and general unfamiliarity with 'ideal' methods of travel. Even if your Warden is a Dwarf Noble, and you have Oghren, the rest of your party would be bumbling surfacers at best, who will slow you down.

[Reika]

I think I did it a total of 2 months in mine, part of it was travel back and forth, but I also had people get seriously wounded who needed time to recover. Not to mention having to scout around unknown areas trying to find that madwoman.

[nos_astra]

How do you guys rationalize their going into the Deep Roads in your story? Two months while a Blight is raging topside?

I just thought one could reduce the time by making the Warden accompany a dwarven expedition, instead of traipsing around on their own in unknown and potentially dangerous territory.

Assuming the dwarves had almost located Branka and the anvil seems a little more realistic to me. I would reduce the group size to the Warden, Alistair (immune to the taint), Shale (if recruited, possibly immune to the taint), he's he the marbari (it's his purpose to accompany you into battle even at the cost of his own life) and Oghren, so you can see a bit more how he is an outsider in the dwarven society.

You could then scrap the impossivble Jarvia/Proving quests that make little sense for topsiders (or surfacer dwarfs). Refuse those jobs and let the future monarch send you into the Deep Roads as guards for a supply convoy to prove your loyalty (worthiness, whatever)..

Does this make sense?

I swear, under close scrutiny the game's plot is really full of holes.

Edit: Corrections.

Modifié par klarabella, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:39 .

[jackkel dragon]

klarabella wrote...

How do you guys rationalize their going into the Deep Roads in your story? Two months while a Blight is raging topside?

I just thought one could reduce the time by making the Warden accompany a dwarven expedition, instead of traipsing around on their own in unknown and potentially dangerous territory.

Assuming the dwarves had almost located Branka and the anvil seems a little more realistic to me. I would reduce the group size to the Warden, Alistair (immune to the taint), Shale (if recruited, possibly immune to the taint), he's he marbari (it's his purpose to accompany you into battle even at the cost of his own life) and Oghren, so you can see a bit more how he is an outsider in the dwarven society.

You could then scrap the impossivble Jarvia/Proving quests that make little sense for topsiders (or surfacer dwarfs). Refuse those jobs and let the future monarch send you into the Deep Roads as guards for a supply convoy to prove your loyalty (worthiness, whatever)..

Does this make sense?

I swear, under close scrutiny the game's plot is really .

Like exploring an entire underground continent and returning in time for an election on the same day?

Or is it taking several weeks to get to Ostagar from the Dalish Camp, but only a few days from Denerim?

Or maybe passing the Archdemon on the way to Redcliffe and then noticing "oh wait, it's headed toward Denerim?"

Or is it searching for a folk legend instead of completing your task in stopping the Blight?

All right, I'll stop.

[FutileSine]

klarabella wrote...

How do you guys rationalize their going into the Deep Roads in your story? Two months while a Blight is raging topside?

I just thought one could reduce the time by making the Warden accompany a dwarven expedition, instead of traipsing around on their own in unknown and potentially dangerous territory.

Assuming the dwarves had almost located Branka and the anvil seems a little more realistic to me. I would reduce the group size to the Warden, Alistair (immune to the taint), Shale (if recruited, possibly immune to the taint), he's he marbari (it's his purpose to accompany you into battle even at the cost of his own life) and Oghren, so you can see a bit more how he is an outsider in the dwarven society.

You could then scrap the impossivble Jarvia/Proving quests that make little sense for topsiders (or surfacer dwarfs). Refuse those jobs and let the future monarch send you into the Deep Roads as guards for a supply convoy to prove your loyalty (worthiness, whatever)..

Does this make sense?

I swear, under close scrutiny the game's plot is really full of holes.

Totally with you on the party choice - that group is exactly who I planned on having going into the Deep Roads (once I get Alistair back in the party of course).  

Huh.  I suppose the idea that the warden are going to chase after a woman who has been gone two years in order to solve the successor issue is kinda far-fetched (just like trying to go find the Urn of Sacred Ashes!)  I also liked the points you had of the Provings/Jarvia...unless the Warden was a dwarf, why should they need to prove their loyalty to one side or the other?  I would have thought that they two sides would have possibly tried to woo the Warden over to their side in order to add more credence to their claim.  I liked the idea you came up with though.  Intriguing.    

My story is AU (yay for AU!) so I have the Lady Aeducan alive...perhaps my Warden will realize that both Harrowmont and Bhelen are sucky choices, so goes into the Deep Roads to see if she can put a reasonable woman on the throne. (at my Cousland's insistence)     I love being able to "cheat" and not working directly with game mechanics.  

Thanks for providing my brain some fun food for thought.  :happy:

[nos_astra]

FutileSine wrote...
I also liked the points you had of the Provings/Jarvia...unless the Warden was a dwarf, why should they need to prove their loyalty to one side or the other?  I would have thought that they two sides would have possibly tried to woo the Warden over to their side in order to add more credence to their claim.

So true.

I also like the idea of looking for Lady Aeducan.

[Maria13]

I think the point of the Orzammar quests is that you are ending what is an effective stalemate, ie tipping the balance in favour of one candidate or the other... But I would agree that this all somewhat artificial. Certainly Orzammar is not one of my preferred quests.