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[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL I have the same problem Lupus! And I haven't posted in 14 days *coughs Soulmates 96, cough cough* But I have been writing and posting other things. I don't know what would happen if I couldn't write.

[jackkel dragon]

Happy new year, everyone! Let's hope I can actually remember to write new chapter each week this year...

[Maria Caliban]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why would the human mage need a last name?

They're from a noble family.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Happy New Year to you too Jackkel! And to everyone here as well. I hope your new year is filled with every thing you need, most of the things you want, and so many blessings you can't count them all.^ _^

[Sarah1281]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why would the human mage need a last name?

They're from a noble family.

The Amell family being noble now really bugs me. Why would the Chantry let a mage keep a noble name like that? It wasn't even like the mage was discovered late like Connor was so it's not  like it's a case of the human mage being old enough to remember their last name if it were never used again.

[jackkel dragon]

FF.net's new year present is giving me the first "stats are down" pop up I've seen.

[Maria Caliban]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Amell family being noble now really bugs me. Why would the Chantry let a mage keep a noble name like that? It wasn't even like the mage was discovered late like Connor was so it's not  like it's a case of the human mage being old enough to remember their last name if it were never used again.

I don't think there's any canon information on how old Amell was when they were taken.

jackkel dragon wrote...

FF.net's new year present is giving me the first "stats are down" pop up I've seen.

How many views a day do you usually get?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 janvier 2011 - 08:54 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Amell family being noble now really bugs me. Why would the Chantry let a mage keep a noble name like that? It wasn't even like the mage was discovered late like Connor was so it's not  like it's a case of the human mage being old enough to remember their last name if it were never used again.

I don't think there's any canon information on how old Amell was when they were taken.

Not unless you could 'Your life in the Circle is the only life you've ever known.' So either young, or amnesiac (and it's not like amnesiacs are uncommon in fantasy games, so why not?).

I have no problem with the Circle telling Amell what his/her name is, if they know. Maybe the parents wanted the child to know, maybe the Circle isn't anal about keeping names secret.

[Maria13]

jackkel dragon wrote...

FF.net's new year present is giving me the first "stats are down" pop up I've seen.

Yep, I've just had the same gift. Happy new year Jackkel!

[Sarah1281]

I have no problem with the Circle telling Amell what his/her name is, if they know. Maybe the parents wanted the child to know, maybe the Circle isn't anal about keeping names secret.

The latter maybe (but I doubt it) but if the Circle does want names to be kept secret, why would the wishes of the parents you're never going to see again matter?

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The latter maybe (but I doubt it) but if the Circle does want names to be kept secret, why would the wishes of the parents you're never going to see again matter?

I would agree with this, if they are going to keep you in the Tower for life the Chantry would actively discourage any such establishing of external links...

[LupusYondergirl]

My thoughts fall along those lines as well. An apostate who escapes to an understanding family that actively works to help them hide would be substantially harder to catch than an apostate out on their own without any assistance.

[Maria13]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

My thoughts fall along those lines as well. An apostate who escapes to an understanding family that actively works to help them hide would be substantially harder to catch than an apostate out on their own without any assistance.

And would cause far more potential disruption than a total outsider attempting to make a run for it...

[Gilgamesh1138]

Yep Jackkel, mine are down too. *sigh* Happy New Year ff.net?

[inquartata02]

Didn't ff.net do the same last year?

[LupusYondergirl]

Maria13 wrote...
And would cause far more potential disruption than a total outsider attempting to make a run for it...

Plus, I suspect quite a few mages stay put just because they don't know where they'd go and are at least savvy enough to realize they would need some way to feed and support themselves. A mage who knows their family could always see that as a potential place to escape to.

Ugh ugh ugh. I got a new computer in October. The hard drive failed today. Thankfully I have three days left on the 90 day warranty, so HP is sending me a new one. But still, very frustrating. I wanted to play games today!

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:29 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I have no problem with the Circle telling Amell what his/her name is, if they know. Maybe the parents wanted the child to know, maybe the Circle isn't anal about keeping names secret.

The latter maybe (but I doubt it) but if the Circle does want names to be kept secret, why would the wishes of the parents you're never going to see again matter?

If the Circle does want to keep names secret then it makes no sense for someone who came to the tower young to know what it is, unless they found out by accident or other means. The tower isn't kept completely isolated, if Grey Wardens and scholars are allowed to visit the library for instance.

I can see uses for the Circle in making a mage aware of their family name--or even a fake family name. I don't see that it would encourage the mage to escape, but it gives the Circle a starting place to lay a trap if they manage to do so. A mage with no roots can flee anywhere.

Edit: So I guess I disagree with those who believe a mage who has a family name but has never had contact with their family would be necessarily harder to catch.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 02 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[Gilgamesh1138]

@Inquartata, doesn't it do it every month? ROFL! So, yeah I think it did do it last year.

[jackkel dragon]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I can see uses for the Circle in making a mage aware of their family name--or even a fake family name. I don't see that it would encourage the mage to escape, but it gives the Circle a starting place to lay a trap if they manage to do so. A mage with no roots can flee anywhere.

I'd say Finn was a good example of the Chantry not caring/has hidden goals, but he already knew his parents. Cutting him off is apparently a mistake/unnesessary though, because the Chantry lets him have contact with his parents. (Weren't his parents nobles?)

[Corker]

jackkel dragon wrote...

I'd say Finn was a good example of the Chantry not caring/has hidden goals, but he already knew his parents. Cutting him off is apparently a mistake/unnesessary though, because the Chantry lets him have contact with his parents. (Weren't his parents nobles?)

"Esquire" (as in Florian Phineas Horatio Aldebrant, Esquire) ought to denote gentle birth, and his dad is well-off enough to commission a belt from the best leatherworker in Denerim and to buy fur-lined, stylish gloves and boots. I'd guess that dad is a landed knight in service to the Crown or the Arl of Denerim.

[Sarah1281]

I can see uses for the Circle in making a mage aware of their family name--or even a fake family name. I don't see that it would encourage the mage to escape, but it gives the Circle a starting place to lay a trap if they manage to do so. A mage with no roots can flee anywhere.

Why would they need a starting point if they had a phylactery? I can see no positives for the Chantry allowing mages to keep their names and all sorts of potential risks so why would they do so? I'm willing to entertain the idea that the HM is an Amell and the EM is a Surana but they are not aware of it, however.

[Corker]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I can see uses for the Circle in making a mage aware of their family name--or even a fake family name. I don't see that it would encourage the mage to escape, but it gives the Circle a starting place to lay a trap if they manage to do so. A mage with no roots can flee anywhere.

Why would they need a starting point if they had a phylactery? I can see no positives for the Chantry allowing mages to keep their names and all sorts of potential risks so why would they do so? I'm willing to entertain the idea that the HM is an Amell and the EM is a Surana but they are not aware of it, however.

Lag issues.  The phylactery can only tell you where the mage *is*.  By the time you get there, the mage may be elsewhere.  If you can predict where the mage *will be*, you can possibly head him off at the pass and lay a trap.

Right now, the state of the art seems to be what Rylock did, where you set a trap and bait it, then hope the apostate comes to it.  Not bad, but still not as good as a predictive model.

(Unless the mage is a Sicilian.  Because then he'll know that you know that he knows who his parents are, so he can clearly not choose the farmstead in front of *him*...)

[inquartata02]

*snort*

[jackkel dragon]

My theory is proving to be correct: any worthwhile thread must make at least one Princess Bride reference.



(He also knows that you have his phylactery, which means that you have placed a trap where he might try to escape to, so he definately can't pick the farmstead in front of *you*...)

[Gilgamesh1138]

@corker *SNORT* you rock! Never go against a Sicilian when his phylactery is on the line!