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[Sandtigress]

catabuca wrote...

I have a question, if anyone is familiar with the dalish origin. How old is Fenarel supposed to be? I assumed he was the same age as the warden and Tamlen, or thereabouts, but the codex calls him a 'young dalish elf', where all the others are just described as dalish elves. He didn't seem young to me, and his picture doesn't look any younger. Is there anything that references it more specifically? I was writing him the same age, but now I'm worried.

Fenarel is approximately the same age as the Warden and Tamlen.  Toolset has them all listed at 20, but you know, take that with a grain of salt like all other things in the toolset.  I think you can safely assume same age though.

One key thing you can think about is that he does already have his vallaslin - he's considered a full adult by the clan.  Seems like he's then at least past his hunt, which puts him at least in Cammen's age group, and toolset lists Cammen at 25 i.e. supposedly a bit older than Tamlen/Warden.  Merrill is also listed at 25 if I remember correctly, for what it's worth.  She always did seem the bossier of the group to me.

[catabuca]

DreGregoire wrote...

I always got the impression he was a bit younger than the warden and Tamlen; a few years maybe, but if you click on some of the elves in camp they refer to Tamlen and the future warden as the 'tribes' young. I'll go in game and try to find the exact reference to how the young hunters are viewed and get back to you

That's very kind, thank you

I'll admit I didn't pay a great deal of attention to him at first, but got the impression they were of similar age. Perhaps that's because my warden and Tamlen look really quite young to me anyway. His skillset is just as developed as Tamlen's, which was another reason I thought them the same. I also didn't take Fenarel with me when searching for Tamlen (I must have missed the option altogether, somehow, heavens only knows how), so perhaps that's why I haven't formed a different opinion of him. I keep meaning to fire up the xbox and restart the origin to check ... to check a bunch of things actually. It's harder when your computer and your xbox aren't next to each other

[catabuca]

Sandtigress wrote...

catabuca wrote...

I have a question, if anyone is familiar with the dalish origin. How old is Fenarel supposed to be? I assumed he was the same age as the warden and Tamlen, or thereabouts, but the codex calls him a 'young dalish elf', where all the others are just described as dalish elves. He didn't seem young to me, and his picture doesn't look any younger. Is there anything that references it more specifically? I was writing him the same age, but now I'm worried.

Fenarel is approximately the same age as the Warden and Tamlen.  Toolset has them all listed at 20, but you know, take that with a grain of salt like all other things in the toolset.  I think you can safely assume same age though.

One key thing you can think about is that he does already have his vallaslin - he's considered a full adult by the clan.  Seems like he's then at least past his hunt, which puts him at least in Cammen's age group, and toolset lists Cammen at 25 i.e. supposedly a bit older than Tamlen/Warden.  Merrill is also listed at 25 if I remember correctly, for what it's worth.  She always did seem the bossier of the group to me.

This is extremely useful, thank you. I may just assume they are the same age then. Since my story will be mildly AU anyway, I figure as long as I establish his age as the same early on it won't be a problem.

(But Cammen, 25? Really? Wow! )

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire wrote...

catabuca wrote...

I have a question, if anyone is familiar with the dalish origin. How old is Fenarel supposed to be? I assumed he was the same age as the warden and Tamlen, or thereabouts, but the codex calls him a 'young dalish elf', where all the others are just described as dalish elves. He didn't seem young to me, and his picture doesn't look any younger. Is there anything that references it more specifically? I was writing him the same age, but now I'm worried.

I always got the impression he was a bit younger than the warden and Tamlen; a few years maybe, but if you click on some of the elves in camp they refer to Tamlen and the future warden as the 'clans' young. I'll go in game and try to find the exact reference to how the young hunters are viewed and get back to you

here they are Two women in the clan camp if you click on them

Loosing tamlen would be a bad sign he's one of our most promising hunters

Are you going to help look for Tamlen? Poor boy, lost out there somewhere.

I'm glad you survived. Loosing two of our young would be a great blow to the clan

[Sandtigress]

catabuca wrote...
(But Cammen, 25? Really? Wow! )

I assumed they (Warden/Tamlen/Fenarel) were all about the same age for my Dalish story, if that makes you feel any better.  As far as Cammen goes, they say he's been trying for two or three years to pass his hunt and failed up to this point.  It makes it sound like ~20 is about when you start really being expected to look at adulthood, whatever your trade is, and by about Cammen's point is where they start to have some serious concerns.

The Dalish entry on vallaslin/blood writing though makes it pretty clear that the Keepers don't expect all children to come of age at the same time and that there's some leeway on either side of that.  (There is no shame in failing the ritual since children come of age at different times, and in the days of Arlathvhen it is said that children once took centuries to become adults.  That's a paraphrase but probably comes pretty close to direct quote. >.> I read too much Dalish stuff).

[DreGregoire]

Okay when I was 20 I thought I was an adult but now that I'm a bit older I consider anybody younger than 28 an infant. LMAO. so it's all perspective I guess.

[Maria13]

*Sigh* five days without stats... I want my instant gratification back! *Cries"

[Lynn01]

Ah I already thought "0 views, seriously?".....

[Raonar]

I haven't had any 'reads' in days, but i got reviews, oddly enough )



Sigh, dear stats....

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Think of it as detox, guys.

[Maria13]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Think of it as detox, guys.

I don't need no detox... Detox is a myth, anyway...

[catabuca]

Thanks for all the responses about ages, it's been really helpful (you guys are so nice, why didn't I stop by this thread sooner?)

I replayed the Dalish origin this morning (furiously making notes as I did, lol), and paid more attention to Fenarel. I think he could come across as slightly younger to some people because of the way he's eager to go with them, and the suggestion the Keeper might not want him to. But I have a story reason why he would be acting like that, so I'm going to carry on under the assumption they are all roughly the same age. (Apart from Merrill, she definitely seems a few years older, and yes, bossy. Definitely bossy!)

I don't think this age thing is helped by the fact my warden has quite the baby face, but his voice is the experienced (Mark Meer, I believe) voice that sounds a decade older

[Mahkara]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But it's so much easier to use "Elissa" than having everyone like "who in the heck is this Aurelia we keep reading about? Oh, I see, Aurelia Cousland..."

I've never actually had that problem but then I always use first and possibly-not-real last name the first time the Warden shows up.

I think it depends on how many Wardens there are, and how important they are in the story.

If you use one Warden, and he/she is the main character of the fic, you really don't need to worry about people being confused.

But in the stories with 8 Wardens, it can get really puzzling when you're trying to remember whether Miriam is the dwarf commoner or the dwarf noble.  And if the Warden is only mentioned in passing, it can be helpful to not have to write out the full name.  (Like, to me it sounds awkward to say, "Yes, before she died, Aurelia Cousland told me.."  I'd far rather say, "Before she died, Elissa told me...")  My 2 cents, anyway.  

[Elysium-Fic]

Mahkara wrote...
I think it depends on how many Wardens there are, and how important they are in the story.

And also the kind of story it is matters.

When my story was just a kink-meme fill, I used Elissa, and I would probably do so for any one-off kmeme fills.  But when the story evolved beyond a simple fill into something more and I realized I would be polishing it up and doing a more flushed-out version, I knew she had to have something other than the generic name.

[Raonar]

So, a question to you people who hopefully know some logistics. Assuming a throng of about 150 darkspawn were marching quickly, as in (almost) running, what distance would they be able to cover in 10 minutes?

[mousestalker]

Google says a forced march is four miles in an hour, so that's one mile in fifteen minutes. Ten minutes would be 2/3 of a mile. They might be able to do a mile if they run for part of it.

[Raonar]

Aha! Thanks Stalker of Small, Furry, Lovable rodents!

[LupusYondergirl]

I have a potential-Warden who isn't a Warden as a minor character in my fic, I just used the default name for her since I figured it would be an easy way to make it clear she was THAT person, without doing a lot of exposition for someone who shows up only a couple times in the story. It doesn't particularly matter that she is that person, but it adds a bit to her character if you know the background. I don't think I'd use a default name for a main character, though.



My current fic!warden is named after Margaret of Anjou (mostly since I wanted a name that was fairly normal while still being common in the middle ages, and because Margaret of Anjou was seriously, seriously hardcore.)



... all right, I just got an email from someone saying they were writing their first DA fic and realized it sounded like mine, and that their character looked and acted like mine. And then asked if they could take some of the scenes I put between the origin and the ostagar and rewrite them for their own story.

I'm kinda weirded out right now...

[inquartata02]

I'm actually kind of speechless on reading that. o_O

[mousestalker]

That's both flattering and kinda creepy.

[DreGregoire]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

... all right, I just got an email from someone saying they were writing their first DA fic and realized it sounded like mine, and that their character looked and acted like mine. And then asked if they could take some of the scenes I put between the origin and the ostagar and rewrite them for their own story.
I'm kinda weirded out right now...

Maybe ask them to submit a copy to you first? I mean people don't own ideas really but if it's word for word that wouldn't be appropriate. Good on them for contacting you

Also I occasionally see writing in fanfiction that is an echo of something I wrote but I don't assume they copied. The problem with it being about the game is that there will be some cross over in people's stories, but if I saw one that obviously swiped an idea and then wrote it word for word like my fic I would be like wth? LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:12 .

[DreGregoire]

DreGregoire wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

... all right, I just got an email from someone saying they were writing their first DA fic and realized it sounded like mine, and that their character looked and acted like mine. And then asked if they could take some of the scenes I put between the origin and the ostagar and rewrite them for their own story.
I'm kinda weirded out right now...

Maybe ask them to submit a copy to you first? I mean people don't own ideas really but if it's word for word that wouldn't be appropriate. Good on them for contacting you

Also I occasionally see writing in fanfiction that is an echo of something I wrote but I don't assume they copied. The problem with it being about the game is that there will be some cross over in people's stories, but if I saw one that obviously swiped an idea and then wrote it word for word like my fic I would be like wth? LOL

Here's an example:

Leliana in game goes on about shoes and fashion, so it isn't like it isn't part of the game. When I go on about how Leliana picked out the perfect gear and armor for Aonghas and he just allowed her to do it without complaint that's my pc's reaction to that aspect of Leliana. It doesn't mean everytime I come across a fic, that talks about Leliana helping to pick out clothes for the other characters, that the writer is copying me. Right?

And another expample: (obviously I feel like blathering on and on today)

I wrote the meeting of Aonghas' hound Majestic and him into the beginning of my fanfiction and I feel it is extremly unique because I tried to create an unusual connection between them, one that is perhaps stronger than that which the game alludes to. If I found somebody parroting my exact wording I would be a little put out, but if somebody choose to have a similair meeting and connection to their hound I wouldn't consider it copying.


I was once told by my mother (okay it was more than once) that people echo'n you or copy'n you is a complement. I kind of believe that now.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:25 .

[LupusYondergirl]

I'm telling them that I don't have anything resembling a monopoly on expanding the beginning or the time between the origin and ostagar, but I'd prefer they not take the specific events I created for those timeframes and just reuse them for their own fic.
I've had someone call out another writer for "ripping me off" when it was nothing more than a similar plot device, and not a terribly unique one at that, so I'd be amazed if it was anything other than complete coincidence. If it was actual specific scenes I'd imagine someone would do the same.

The parts they're referring to are pretty much completely invented, without much in-game basis.
Maggie and jowan get trashed and attacked by a predatory templar and, after they're saved by Irving and Greagoir, the two go back to the dorm rooms. There they talk about the girl with the bunk above her who died the night before in her harrowing and press an already-harrowed OC for details she refuses to provide.
She gets ****faced in an inn on the road to ostagar and ends up dancing a reel on a table with one of the ash warriors and two other people until it collapses (and, since it's me, yes the scene ends with smut).
Duncan leaves Maggie in a tavern while he attempts to recruit the city elf and she's accosted by templars who don't believe she's allowed to be outside the tower.  She catches the one left to guard her while his partner looks for Duncan looking at her chest and demands he buy her a drink in apology.

So... more unique to the character than, say, Leliana talks about shoes.

So while it would be peachy keen if they wrote, say, that their Warden went to Denerim and waited for Duncan while he tried to recruit the city elf, if they were also confronted by templars who were rude and managed to guilt them into buying her a drink I'd probably be a bit annoyed. Does that make sense?

But really, it's fandom so it's not like I can claim any ownership of anything.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:39 .

[inquartata02]

Yes, it makes sense.



Also, that Maggie at the inn scene was pretty awesome.

[DreGregoire]

Heh, I think Dragon Age gives us enough simililarites to write about that we don't need to be borrowing other peoples genius. I agree that those instances are very unique and although I've read other fics that talk about the drunkedness of their characters, yours is very specific to the tone of your character. I guess I'm wondering why a person wants to use your specific events for their story.

Wouldn't that just make it your origin and not theirs? Confusing to say the least. You can claim copyright of your specific events even if you have to give first claim to the Dragon Age owners. Just because it's fanfiction doesn't make it not fall under copyright protection. Just my opinion not a judgement against anybody.

To be honest I feel very close to the mains in my story and I'm not so sure I would handle it well at all if I found somebody using my made up parts of my story because they are so unique to the character I am the creator of. Sure I didn't create the names or the in game events but I sure as heck was the one that got all tied up in knots and screamed "die your traitorous...(edited for politeness)" Actually poor Aonghas didn't get to kill Howe; Rory stole that honor. Thanks DLAN_immortality for stealing my thunder! LOL.

EDIT oops I didn't say what I meant to say so I editted the above with the previously missing highlighted not LOL.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:37 .