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[Sandtigress]

The only other clan listed officially so far is Gisharel's clan, the Ralaferin clan mentioned in some codex entries. There are sample names listed in the players' handbook for the tabletop game though.

I think it was in the latest blog entry from the devs' on the elves, quinari, and dwarves that the various Dalish tribes are quite different from each other, so a young Dalish's impression of the world that he received from one clan could be quite different from how another youth in a different clan might see the world.

What a Dalish would know growing up would probably also depend on his clan and what knowledge they have gathered for themselves. The elven language, the pantheon, various history stories and such should be a given.

Whether the child would know how to hunt or not would depend on their own inclinations, I think. It doesn't seem to me like all the Dalish are hunters - Iloren the Keeper (mentioned in Cammen's book) was noted to have been a hunter before he was Keeper, suggesting that was somewhat unusual. Gheyna worries about Cammen being able to provide for their family, suggesting that she was not a hunter either. I would be more inclined to believe they split up the duties - some tend the halla, some hunt, some make crafts, some keep the magic, some tell stories, etc.

So if your Dalish is an aspiring hunter, they would be apprenticed to a master at some particular age to learn how to hunt (Gheyna mentions Cammen being a hunter apprentice for several years) and they would earn their passage into adulthood by taking a beast down by themselves. I would think how much your elf knows would depend on age and how much training they have undergone thus far.

I believe either codex entries or the elf in the Stolen Throne mentions that most elves have a passing understanding of the King's Tongue, but only a few speak it fluently and those are the ones who do trade with the humans on behalf of the clan. I think you could get away with some lack of compentency in the King's Tongue, especially in words that the Dalish wouldn't ordinarily use.

[Glorfindel709]

See, my worry with it is how Im going to make the transition from him being a growing Dalish elf to being forcibly removed from his clan to the Circle Tower where he's going to eventually have to accept (at least part) of Chantry dogma and rules plus possibly go through a large paradigm shift on humans and life outside of the clan in order to survive.

I need to have him at an age where he'll be old enough to have knowledge of his dalish culture and what he lost, but still be young enough that he could adapt to a decade or two of living under chantry rule without trying to throw himself out of the window at the first chance of escaping back to his clan (though escape attempts are very likely.

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 03 février 2011 - 08:56 .

[Sandtigress]

You could put him on his hunt - Cammen was old for his but considered still young in the clan. Or helping his master during the hunt, perhaps flushing out or watching for prey while his master stalks it and gets found by humans while alone?

[Merilsell]

jackkel dragon wrote...


I just spent the past 2 hours re-reading my 40k-50k current story to get back in the "groove" of writing Tayte. I can't shake the feeling that she seems like a blank slate.  Has anyone else run into the problem of their character's unique traits being obscured by following the plot (in a Blight fic, that is) and needed to fix it? Or is it just me?.

You mean the things you have to do in a Blight fic, yes? With Lenya I had a hard time to figure out why she would FREELY venture into the Deep Roads to search for a long lost paragon only to cater some dwarven politican she gives a damn about. Not to mention that as a Dalish being in Orzammar alone was hard enough for her already with all these closed walls and stone. The DR? Hell no, for a long time I have tortured my brain to find an in-character reason for her to agree on something THAT stupid.

Fortunately after some time, I have found one. Now I'm still puzzled about how to let her take Oghren with her without falling into OOC-ness (she kinda hates him) and later on why she should go on the inane quest for the sacred ashes . I've found out that not thinking to hard on it and actually simply to write on helped me to get there and find a solution for this everlasting plothammer problem.

Then again, Lenya is a character who never ever shuts up, so I end up with quite a complete different scene as I have planned it on regular basis, just because she has refused to let it happen the initial way. Lol.

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

See, my worry with it is how Im going to make the transition from him being a growing Dalish elf to being forcibly removed from his clan to the Circle Tower where he's going to eventually have to accept (at least part) of Chantry dogma and rules plus possibly go through a large paradigm shift on humans and life outside of the clan in order to survive.

I need to have him at an age where he'll be old enough to have knowledge of his dalish culture and what he lost, but still be young enough that he could adapt to a decade or two of living under chantry rule without trying to throw himself out of the window at the first chance of escaping back to his clan (though escape attempts are very likely.

It's my understanding that some dalish are more familiar with humans than others. Some clans stay closer to human settlements while others avoid them at all cost. It just depends on what you want yours to be closer to. Up to Age Six are your imprinting years, meaning where you learn most of you patterns and behaviors from those around you. If you take him before age six he is more likely to lose the dalish and become more human. I would think 8 to 10 years would be acceptable. Anything over 12 could be a problem because after that individuals come into their more rebellious stage, a mage like this might end up fighting any 'programming' they are given. Or is that what you are aiming for? LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 février 2011 - 09:33 .

[Glorfindel709]

What I had been thinking for him being found by a templar was this: He's between 7-9 and is being trained as a hunter, perhaps by his father or someone else in the clan. The clan is preparing to move north after Wintering in the Brecillian Forest near Gwaren and the traders are planning to stop in Gwaren to trade for some needed supplies with the humans before the aravels leave. The hunter who is training him has been assigned to go with the traders as protection by the Keeper, and he decides to bring the young elf along (Im thinking of making this Glorfindel, my canon elf-mage Warden but I cant decide yet *shrugs*) to see a human city for the first time.



While they're in Gwaren, the young would-be hunter gets distracted by all of the sights and sounds and wanders away from the market and the members of his clan. Some kids start to question him about being Dalish infront of the Chantry, but he thinks they're mocking him so he takes offense. They start arguing and one of the bigger kids pushes him down and calls him a knife-ear. Next thing anyone knows, said kid is thrown across the courtyard of the chantry into one of the Chanters by a stone fist and the young elf gets smited by the nearby templars (one of which is a newly promoted Greagoir in Gwaren to pick up more templar recruits for training at the Tower) and is taken away before the Clan has any idea what happened.

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

What I had been thinking for him being found by a templar was this: He's between 7-9 and is being trained as a hunter, perhaps by his father or someone else in the clan. The clan is preparing to move north after Wintering in the Brecillian Forest near Gwaren and the traders are planning to stop in Gwaren to trade for some needed supplies with the humans before the aravels leave. The hunter who is training him has been assigned to go with the traders as protection by the Keeper, and he decides to bring the young elf along (Im thinking of making this Glorfindel, my canon elf-mage Warden but I cant decide yet *shrugs*) to see a human city for the first time.

While they're in Gwaren, the young would-be hunter gets distracted by all of the sights and sounds and wanders away from the market and the members of his clan. Some kids start to question him about being Dalish infront of the Chantry, but he thinks they're mocking him so he takes offense. They start arguing and one of the bigger kids pushes him down and calls him a knife-ear. Next thing anyone knows, said kid is thrown across the courtyard of the chantry into one of the Chanters by a stone fist and the young elf gets smited by the nearby templars (one of which is a newly promoted Greagoir in Gwaren to pick up more templar recruits for training at the Tower) and is taken away before the Clan has any idea what happened.

Heh that sounds like fun, but how did he learn to do a stone fist? These things often take practice, maybe? If it were me I would make it a much less forceful blow but one that is obviously noticed and that would lead up to being stone fist once trained. Just my thoughts not telling you how it should be

[Glorfindel709]

It's obviously not a full powered actually formed stone fist It's a knee jerk reaction to fear and anger. Like Wynne setting a boys head on fire, magic apparently can make itself known in powerful ways when it first shows itself

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 03 février 2011 - 09:55 .

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

It's obviously not a full powered actually formed stone fist It's a knee jerk reaction to fear and anger. Like Wynne setting a boys head on fire, magic apparently can make itself known in powerful ways when it first shows itself

cool

[Glorfindel709]

But yeah thats the plan for now! Though I may have to bug my favorite Dalish writer for ideas/advice *looks up at Merilsell)

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Call it cheesy, but my OC's main magical talent is healing other party members. WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP *is shot*

[Glorfindel709]

But Zerban, dont you know?

Friendship is Glorious

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Hahaha! Damn right it's glorious! Friendship is an awesome power!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Raonar wrote...

Heh, listen to some music Glorf.

I just remembered, about the odd equipment thing, my Alim Surana is currently using a silver wand with an emerald tip, because it's just that much more accurate and easy to carry around... and his staff doesn't look that awesome over his black duster coat anyway. (note: Witch hunts says wands do exist in the DAO universe, though it's implied that self-respecting mages don;t use them, heh.)

More accurate than a staff? I thought gamelore said that mage staffs never miss (plus, handy as a quarterstaff. Wand not so much).

Merilsell wrote...

Now I'm still puzzled about how to let her take Oghren with her without falling into OOC-ness (she kinda hates him)

Easy enough. Go into the Deep Roads without him, get absolutely lost and FAIL trying to track Branka because your characters can't tell her mine-sign from any other dwarf's, then go back when you realise you need Oghren's guidance.

The real Deep Roads have more exit points than the game reveals, I'm sure.

and later on why she should go on the inane quest for the sacred ashes .

Is reputed to cure anything? Go on the quest on the proviso you get to keep some of the ashes for yourself. After testing it on Eamon, use the leftovers however the character wishes.

Loot = the One True Reason to go on any quest!

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 04 février 2011 - 06:44 .

[Miri1984]

OMG I just want to beat this chapter about the head and neck with a broken bottle. Anyone else want to beat up on my chapter with me?

[Raonar]

Miri1984 wrote...

OMG I just want to beat this chapter about the head and neck with a broken bottle. Anyone else want to beat up on my chapter with me?

*hugs the chapter close and strokes it* it's okay, I'll keep you safe little one.

Hey, it just needs some love! Try to praise it or something.

[Raonar]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Raonar wrote...

Heh, listen to some music Glorf.

I just remembered, about the odd equipment thing, my Alim Surana is currently using a silver wand with an emerald tip, because it's just that much more accurate and easy to carry around... and his staff doesn't look that awesome over his black duster coat anyway. (note: Witch hunts says wands do exist in the DAO universe, though it's implied that self-respecting mages don;t use them, heh.)

More accurate than a staff? I thought gamelore said that mage staffs never miss (plus, handy as a quarterstaff. Wand not so much).

Well, game mechanics aside, maybe i should have mentioned that it's more accurate for what kind of magic HE uses. Like, for instance, in chapter 38, he uses a sort of Expelliarmus (yes, laugh it off) on the dwarf that was going to kill one of Harrowmont's guards, right when entering Orzammar.

Alim really has nohing against showing off his magic. He is levitating things all the time, causing his eyes to glow irisless light blue in order to scare the hell out of people by glaring at them, using weak lightning bolts as punitive measures on Zevran (it's not what you think). And he likes to be quick, so a wand really works best. He does have a quarterstaff-like thing too, but he doesn't have any martial skill with it (not yet anyway) so he doesn't carry it around everywhere.

Modifié par Raonar, 04 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[Creature 1]

Merilsell wrote...
Now I'm still puzzled about how to let her take Oghren with her without falling into OOC-ness (she kinda hates him)

Mammoth Cave has almost 400 miles of tunnels.  Would you travel into its depths with no map and no guide? 

[nenosronhir]

Miri1984 wrote...
OMG I just want to beat this chapter about the head and neck with a broken bottle. Anyone else want to beat up on my chapter with me?

Here I was, about to poke a foot in and ask around what you lovely folks do with stubborn chapters.

I suppose it doesn't help that I'm half-terrified of my work because it's the first fanfiction I've attempted in... at least a decade? Wow, I think using that word makes me feel old, cripes.

At any rate, what do you folks do with stubborn parts? Do you bull your way through and fix any awkwardness later, skip ahead and write a scene you're more comfortable with/can see more clearly, go back and edit what you've already written to get a better grip on what you need to write in the following bits?

I'm sort of doing the bulling-through method which has worked so far, but I suppose it doesn't help that my only.. betaish person isn't nearly as interested in DA as I am, and thus hasn't finished the game, heh.

I could likely solve some of my problems if I posted what I've finished and gauged some feedback, but again back to the half-terrified of doing so! XD

[mousestalker]

nenosronhir wrote...

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Here I was, about to poke a foot in and ask around what you lovely folks do with stubborn chapters.

I suppose it doesn't help that I'm half-terrified of my work because it's the first fanfiction I've attempted in... at least a decade? Wow, I think using that word makes me feel old, cripes.

At any rate, what do you folks do with stubborn parts? Do you bull your way through and fix any awkwardness later, skip ahead and write a scene you're more comfortable with/can see more clearly, go back and edit what you've already written to get a better grip on what you need to write in the following bits?

I'm sort of doing the bulling-through method which has worked so far, but I suppose it doesn't help that my only.. betaish person isn't nearly as interested in DA as I am, and thus hasn't finished the game, heh.

I could likely solve some of my problems if I posted what I've finished and gauged some feedback, but again back to the half-terrified of doing so! XD

I am in the same boat you are.

I'm stuck on a chapter. I tried plowing my way through, thought the result was even more pedestrian than usual and am now trying again. I wish I could backstab it like rogues do in the game.

As for confidence, I took the coward's road. Livejournal has a community of sorts known as kmeme. I posted anonymous fills to obscure prompts for at least six months before I popped up here. Getting some astonishingly positive feedback to a piece I wrote finally gave me enough confidence to actually take credit for something.

You may be ignored if you post here or at fanfiction.net or archive of our own. To a certain degree reviewer response apparently has to do with what house the planets are in and it's all complicated by the fact that some reviewers use a twelve sign zodiac and others use a thirteen. People are rarely nasty here, there or at the archive. So far George Lucas hasn't called and asked anyone here to write the last three Star wars movies so it's unlikely you'll get wealth or recognition writing. You will meet nice people.

Modifié par mousestalker, 04 février 2011 - 02:31 .

[DreGregoire]

nenosronhir wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
OMG I just want to beat this chapter about the head and neck with a broken bottle. Anyone else want to beat up on my chapter with me?

Here I was, about to poke a foot in and ask around what you lovely folks do with stubborn chapters.

decade? Wow, I think using that word makes me feel old, cripes.

The word cripes doesn't help with the whole age related thing. LOL

I skip ahead sometimes or just go to writting something else, or go do something else. My fav thing to do. Play Dragon Age hahaha. Sometimes I just replay scenes to get me in the mood now a days I play my own dragon age video's to get in the mood. Alot of people here have mentioned picking a song to inspire you and play it. Something that will get you tapping out the words to the beat. Sometimes it works sometimes not

[nenosronhir]

mousestalker wrote...
As for confidence, I took the coward's road. Livejournal has a community of sorts known as kmeme. I posted anonymous fills to obscure prompts for at least six months before I popped up here. Getting some astonishingly positive feedback to a piece I wrote finally gave me enough confidence to actually take credit for something.

Hmm, I never thought about taking up prompt challenges before (anonymous or otherwise), to get my feet wet. There's an idea, at least! It's not so much the writing I'm uncertain of; it's capturing the characters and getting a feel for them.

DreGregoire wrote...
The word cripes doesn't help with the whole age related thing. LOL

I'll have you know that that's one of my favorite words, due in full to a character from an old TV miniseries(The 10th Kingdom). Every now and then it just feels appropriate to pop in. xD
I'm mostly using the game soundtrack when I'm writing - bought a new netbook to work from, so it doesn't have much of my music library on it. I've had a feeling I should remedy that...

Modifié par nenosronhir, 04 février 2011 - 02:28 .

[Raonar]

Listen to Future World Music, Two Steps from Hell or Audiomachine. They make epic music that definitely helps. Oh, and Navras (the ending song for Matrix Revolutions) is awesome too.

[nenosronhir]

Raonar wrote...

Listen to Future World Music, Two Steps from Hell or Audiomachine. They make epic music that definitely helps. Oh, and Navras (the ending song for Matrix Revolutions) is awesome too.

*grin* Two Steps from Hell was what sprung to mind to transfer first. I still get chills listening to ASAP with the choir/voice tracks. The other two groups I haven't heard of - time to do some poking around! (and <3 Navras)

[Raonar]

Listen to Behold from Future World Music, for one, and maybe Norwegian Pirate from TSFH (and Kronos... and Merchant Prince, and Titan Dune, and Operation Sandstorm, and Eternal Honor... pretty much anything really).



Actually, go to http://listen.grooveshark.com/, search any band/music group and listen away your nights.