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[Raonar]

Okay, so i have this question for you all. Say a Grey Warden ends up in the same situation as Wynne, having a spirit merge with him (but not die). If he takes the final blow against the Archdemon, couldn't said spirit be destroyed instead and the Warden survive?

[Corker]

Raonar wrote...

Okay, so i have this question for you all. Say a Grey Warden ends up in the same situation as Wynne, having a spirit merge with him (but not die). If he takes the final blow against the Archdemon, couldn't said spirit be destroyed instead and the Warden survive?

I would vote "No."  Fade spirits appear to be metaphysically different than whatever 'essence' causes the Archdemon's annihilation.

Why? Because a Fade spirit and an essence can co-exist in one body (e.g., Wynne), but two essences (e.g., the Archdemon's and the Warden's) cannot.  The thing that kills the Archdemon permanently is its essence interacting with the Warden's; the presence or absence of a Fade spirit in the body is likely irrelevant.

[DreGregoire]

The archdemon cannot survive inside a warden because there is a soul (spirit) within; unlike, a regular darkspawn that is suppose to be tainted with no spirit. Not sure how this all works with the darkspawn 'that talks' but my impression as to why the archdemon and the soul of the warden that kills him no longer exist is because their battle for the body kills both spirits or some such.

I'm not so sure a positive fade spirit like the one Wynne has would survive a joining intact. Or for that matter survive a joining with a warden that is already tainted. Remember how the taint came into being from the evil doing's of mages in the fade (I don't have the whole story in front of me); therefore, a joining of any sort with the taint involved would corrupt the spirit.

Just my opinion, I haven't done any fact checking hence just based on memory.

So yes and no I gues, if said spirit became as corrupt as the warden (due to taint) maybe it could be possible for the warden to survive the archdemon death/battle for space, but I got the impression that the mage and the spirits fates were dependent on each other, so I'm not sure the 'warden mage' wouldn't perish as well because of the connection that keeps the warden mage alive in the first place. Phew so complicated. Tired now. Must take nap. LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 08 février 2011 - 03:19 .

[Raonar]

DreGregoire wrote...

The archdemon cannot survive inside a warden because there is a soul (spirit) within; unlike, a regular darkspawn that is suppose to be tainted with no spirit. Not sure how this all works with the darkspawn 'that talks' but my impression as to why the archdemon and the soul of the warden that kills him no longer exist is because their battle for the body kills both spirits or some such.

I'm not so sure a positive fade spirit like the one Wynne has would survive a joining intact. Or for that matter survive a joining with a warden that is already tainted. Remember how the taint came into being from the evil doing's of mages in the fade (I don't have the whole story in front of me); therefore, a joining of any sort with the taint involved would corrupt the spirit.

Just my opinion, I haven't done any fact checking hence just based on memory.

So yes and no I gues, if said spirit became as corrupt as the warden (due to taint) maybe it could be possible for the warden to survive the archdemon death/battle for space, but I got the impression that the mage and the spirits fates were dependent on each other, so I'm not sure the 'warden mage' wouldn't perish as well because of the connection that keeps the warden mage alive in the first place. Phew so complicated. Tired now. Must take nap. LOL

I meant fuse with the Grey Warden long after the Joining Spirits are spirits, and mages can pretty much do whatever spirits do while in the Fade, so I''m guessing the differences between the soulds aren't all that fundamental.

[maxernst]

Addai67 wrote...

klarabella wrote...
Sten is never even talked too. He's a murderer in a cage, for crying out loud! A huge qunari.If anything the Warden would ask for a swift execution, but certainly not free the guy.

A huge warrior in a cage...

Not only a murderer, but one who offers no explanation for his actions.  My first PC warden was concerned that he was insane.  Maybe he doesn't remember why he killed them.  Remorse is all well and good, but how do I know he won't go berserk again?

Plus, Qunari are feared and hated so much that most people consider them a bigger danger than the Darkspawn.  With a price on my head, the last thing I need is a companion that makes my group so easy to identify and describe, and may attract additional hostility.

Modifié par maxernst, 08 février 2011 - 03:46 .

[DreGregoire]

Raonar wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

So yes and no I gues, if said spirit became as corrupt as the warden (due to taint) maybe it could be possible for the warden to survive the archdemon death/battle for space, but I got the impression that the mage and the spirits fates were dependent on each other, so I'm not sure the 'warden mage' wouldn't perish as well because of the connection that keeps the warden mage alive in the first place. Phew so complicated. Tired now. Must take nap. LOL

I meant fuse with the Grey Warden long after the Joining Spirits are spirits, and mages can pretty much do whatever spirits do while in the Fade, so I''m guessing the differences between the soulds aren't all that fundamental.

But still there is the dependency of Wynne (or your mage) on the spirit to survive. What would keep the mage alive after the spirit is cancelled out by the archdemon? Unless you are thinking of changing it that the mage doesn't need the spirit to survive. That's the whole thing with Wynne is she's only still alive because of the fade spirit bonding with her. I think you could figure out a work around; since you are clever and all that. Hehe I just don't want you to miss any valid arguments that might crop up

[Raonar]

Sigh, I did say what if the Grey Warden fused with a spirit WITHOUT dying first....

[DreGregoire]

My apologies, I didn't notice that you said that. My bad. Shutting up now *winks*

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Raonar wrote...

They were unconscious/going to lothering/going to the first treaty/redclifee in at least a month and a half or so.

DA2 Spoilers:

I also learned that Anders will be a recruitable companion in Dragon Age 2! He's a humble healer but he becomes possessed by a spirit of Justice! (unclear whether it's the same justice from Awakening or not) I swear, these guys from Bioware and I think alike because my protagonist has a symbiotic relationship with the Spirit of Honor (spirit warrior).

Too bad they're mostly disregarding the epilogue slides from Awakening. Ah well.

You're the second person to tell me Anders will be recruitable. Where did you get this info?

[Raonar]

*Winks back at DreGregoire* I have become used to being misunderstood

And to Zerban: Actually, all of you go here. Zerban, I actually first learned about this form that review on your story

Modifié par Raonar, 08 février 2011 - 07:25 .

[DreGregoire]

Anders... left the grey wardens? I am so gonna hunt down his ... and drag him back to Ferelden "kicking and screaming" if I have to. How dare he! LMAO

[mousestalker]

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

[Addai]

mousestalker wrote...

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

I work pretty hard on that, because I suck at names.  I don't care if they have meaning, but I want them to sound plausible in the setting.  I will often pick out historical names, maybe changing a syllable here or there.

[inquartata02]

How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

Very. Behind the Name is a site I use often. Meaning is fairly important, as is sound (for the most part), and then trying not to have the names start with the same letter. At the very least, I try not to have the name jar you out of the story.

[Creature 1]

mousestalker wrote...

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

As a reader the most important thing to me is that names not start with the same letter and be pronounceable.  If I don't know how to pronounce a word it can still work, but I think of it as a symbol representing the character rather than a name!

I try to keep the same in mind for writing.  Name meaning isn't terribly important to me.  It can be nice to have an appropriate meaning but we're usually named before anyone knows anything about how fitting the meaning of our name will be. 

[Raonar]

mousestalker wrote...

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

Well, I only gave the DN protagonist and the HNF different names from the default ones. The HNF I changed because Elisa is just overused (She's called Gwenith). With the protagonist I was a bit of a sadist. He doesn't like his name, not just because it sounds totally weird (especially by dwarven standards) but also because the meaning is one that, though everyone disagrees, doesn't suit him.

It's his dead mother's fault by the way.

Funny part is that the name sounds so weird that all the others avoid uttering it as much as possible... and this ends up working to their advantage when the DN infiltrates Orzammar incognito because they all find it very easy to switch to an alias (Duran in this case, which is the default DN name in the game).

[Maria13]

The names of most of my OCs have a meaning. Even if sometimes it's an inside joke...

[DreGregoire]

Ugh I love to write but I hate the edit process. blah blah oops need a comma there... hey is that even a real word... what I left out a whole sentence here. blech. LOL. Heh sometimes I use words I didn't know I knew the meaning of and when I take the time to look them up I even used them right. LOL

[DreGregoire]

How many pages back is the last naming conversation. I was going to just copy and paste my response but I got tired of looking for it. LOL. I like naming my characters with a name that means something. I have in the past been more fixated on it than I am now. I actually have pages and pages of names with meanings in my old writings. Now if I could just figure out how to open a file cabinet with a broken lock I would be happy.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 08 février 2011 - 10:34 .

[jackkel dragon]

DreGregoire wrote...

How many pages back is the last naming conversation. I was going to just copy and paste my response but I got tired of looking for it. LOL. I like naming my characters with a name that means something. I have in the past been more fixated on it than I am now. I actually have pages and pages of names with meanings in my old writings. Now if I could just figure out how to open a file cabinet with a broken lock I would be happy.

Rod of fire.

[DreGregoire]

Why didn't I think of that? Oh wait won't that like melt and burn stuff? lol That's it I'm not listening to any of ewes advice anymore. You'll have my house up in flames. LMAO

Fire fighter: So tell me again how your file cabinet caught on fire.
Self: Duh, I told you I used my fire rod.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 08 février 2011 - 10:40 .

[jackkel dragon]

Whenever the door won't open, find an old wall and blast it open.



Also, don't forget to keep your blood in a vial "just in case."

[Maria13]

... and above all, no bonking maleficars...

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

Well, I only gave the DN protagonist and the HNF different names from the default ones. The HNF I changed because Elisa is just overused (She's called Gwenith).

Yep, that's exactly what happened.

[Raonar]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Raonar wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Stupid OCD Author question: How important are names to y'all? Do you aim to have them sound right? Do you like them to have meaning? How hard do you chase that chimera?

Well, I only gave the DN protagonist and the HNF different names from the default ones. The HNF I changed because Elisa is just overused (She's called Gwenith).

Yep, that's exactly what happened.

Hey, I'll admit you did bring that fact to my immediate attention. There, truce?