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[Sialater]

But that makes absolutely no sense if your Warden's female. Which is why they probably dropped it. Because otherwise, you'd have to have Loghain or Alistair make the killing blow.

[DreGregoire]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

It probably makes more sense for the spirit to pass through the Warden, considering there's still a big explosion and suchlike. I read a comic where the Warden did the ritual and passed out so he couldn't stop Morrigan from leaving.

Though how come everyone is so sure Morrigan's ritual will work? Does it work as some sort of magical fertility treatment so she will definitely get pregnant?

I always play that there is doubt in the mind of my pc that it will work so depending on the landsmeet choices I make I would still have a certain warden do the final blow to keep things steady in Ferelden.

[DreGregoire]

So here's some interesting lines from Morrigan

On talking about the ritual and the child!
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I do not "know" it will work. I do, however, have every confidence in my mother's magic. And so should you.

This is what my mother intended when she sent me with you. She was the one who first gave me this ritual and told me of what I was meant to do.

Allow me to say that what I seek is the essence of the Old God that once was and not the dark forces that corrupted it.

The child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the taint. Is that not reason enough to do it?
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So... all these people talking about the possiblity that the child will be evil are just basing it on their own feelings because Flemeth and Morrigan have the opposite view. The god only became tainted and 'evil' because the darkspawn made it so.

I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong and I'm not going to debate with people based on their beliefs. I am just taking what I get from the game and have my own beliefs

Modifié par DreGregoire, 27 février 2011 - 10:51 .

[Glorfindel709]

The Old Gods were apparently imprisoned by the Maker, taught "evil blood magic" to the magisters of the Tevinter Imperium, and oh yeah, I dont trust Flemeth. At all. She's not evil, but she's not a good person either, and I hate to line her up as neutral. She has a plan for all this, and her "bitterness" shapes her perceptions. She is going to change the world into the way that *she* and she alone sees fit. That's dangerous.

[Maria13]

The child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the taint. Is that not reason enough to do it? =/= Good. Good for the ancient power, perhaps, but for the rest of Thedas?

And Morrigan tells the truth? Do you think she would tell the warden that the OGB is going to be used to enhance her or Flemeth's power? Unfortunately, I set no store by Morrie's words... Her underhand way of going about the conception of the OGB makes me fear the worst.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Morrigan seems to have gotten most of her intel from Flemeth, and until Witch Hunt she (apparently) was completely wrong about what freakin' *species* her mother is. Who knows what else Flemeth told Morrigan that she took on faith?

Whether or not she's lying or twisting the truth, she could just be completely wrong if she was taking Flemeth's word for it all.

In the end, we don't know enough. We have Morrigan's opinion, which is assumedly based on Flemeth's opinion

[Raonar]

Sialater wrote...

But that makes absolutely no sense if your Warden's female. Which is why they probably dropped it. Because otherwise, you'd have to have Loghain or Alistair make the killing blow.

I meant ANY warden.

[Mahkara]

DreGregoire wrote...

So... all these people talking about the possiblity that the child will be evil are just basing it on their own feelings because Flemeth and Morrigan have the opposite view. The god only became tainted and 'evil' because the darkspawn made it so.

I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong and I'm not going to debate with people based on their beliefs. I am just taking what I get from the game and have my own beliefs

I think it's fair to say that the Old God may not be evil.  It's also fair to say that the Old God might not be good.

If you figure, though, that there's even a slim possiblity that the Old God baby will cause something akin to a Blight, killing off a Grey Warden makes sense.

Let's pretend that a Blight kills 1,000 people.  From a risk neutral perspective, unless we assume that there's a <1/1,000th chance that the Old God baby causes something like a Blight, we're better off snuffing it.

Admittedly, the OGB could SAVE THE WORLD.  It could also be neutral, or mildly beneficial.  Alternately, the harm it causes could kill a whole lot more than 1,000 people.

Regardless, it seems fairly irresponsible to me to allow the OGB to be born, considering all of the doubtsurrounding it.  Especially as the reasons for letting it be born, in general, appear to be "I don't want to make Alistair hate me by saving Loghain" and "I don't want to kill myself or Alistair".  Ultimately, your life probably isn't worth it. Simliarly, Alistair's life probably isn't worth it, either.  Loghain's isn't (which he'll give you a lecture on).  And allowing Alistair to get his revenge on Loghain almost certainly isn't worth it...

[inquartata02]

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[Glorfindel709]

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[DreGregoire]

Mahkara wrote...

Regardless, it seems fairly irresponsible to me to allow the OGB to be born, considering all of the doubtsurrounding it.  Especially as the reasons for letting it be born, in general, appear to be "I don't want to make Alistair hate me by saving Loghain" and "I don't want to kill myself or Alistair".  Ultimately, your life probably isn't worth it. Simliarly, Alistair's life probably isn't worth it, either.  Loghain's isn't (which he'll give you a lecture on).  And allowing Alistair to get his revenge on Loghain almost certainly isn't worth it...

@Mahkara: There is no doubt that it would be very irresponsible to allow the old god baby (?) to be born and when I played as the type of person who thought that far ahead and in that manner he went ahead and sacrificed himself instead of doing the ritual. But what if you were a person who believed that your nation needed to have a certain person survive in order for that nation to be whole? You don't know if your pc, Alistair/loghain, or Rhiordan will even survive to make it to the archdemon. Only three people left to defeat the archdemon, could you not look at the opportunity of doing the ritual as another way to ensure the archdemons defeat? I'm just speculating now of course but that's what I do. Character creation is a thing of mine. LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 28 février 2011 - 02:06 .

[DreGregoire]

@ Forum thread: My whole point is that the perspective of the person you are roleplaying as or writing about makes a difference in regards to the decisions you make. Do you play as a person who hates Morrigan and/or Flemeth? Or a person who trusts their intentions? Or are you a person who is wrapped up in your own survival that you make decisions based on that? Are you the type of person (in game character) that takes things at face value? I mean it's all about the character you are writing or gaming as.

If I'm asking these questions then a reader of a fanfiction will be too. If your character has steadily acted a certain way and then changes their behavior a reader will notice. So when I ask if your character the type who would... blah blah, I am only trying to help with the development of a character and the story. I hope it's okay to do that if not, my bad!

Modifié par DreGregoire, 28 février 2011 - 02:07 .

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

If you didn't want to have your guy do the deed you could always have Morrigan die during battle. That aside is your warden the type of man that would go back on his word dispite the whole everything it takes to defeat the archdemon? I mean to that point in time you've been focused more on staying alive to get to that point than anything else, would it be so easy after agreeing to the ritual to just change that drive to survive? I'm not your warden so I'm not trying to say what he would do. Just trying to give some feedback

It's not changing his drive to survive, it's just he's looking at teh situation in this manner.

1) Riordan has told him that if a Grey Warden does not get the killing blow, Archdemon is basically immortal.
2) Morrigan has provided a ritual that will apparently allow anyone to make the final blow because the taint does not go into the thing that killed it, but speeds like a beacon towards the child. This is a failsafe in case the other Wardens dont survive the Battle, in which case the other warrior going with them (either Sten or Oghren) knows to make the Blow and make sure that Morrigan is protected as best as possible.
3) They survive to the end and deliver the Killing blow. But now that Old God Soul is going to return, this time has a human being and most likely an extremely powerful mage. He might still have the Calling echoing out of him, driving the Darkspawn to the surface. He might become like the Tevinter Magisters of old. And what would happen if he was ever corrupted by the Darkspawn? Another Archdemon, this time in super powerful mage form?
4) In order to alieviate the possible problems stemming from his fail-safe plan, he has to remove the fail-safe from the equation.

Ive had the scene rolling around in my mind for days. During the last part of the fighting Morrigan was smacked by the arch demons tail and thrown through the air, hitting the wall with a loud crack of breaking bone and slumping to the floor. My Warden rushes the Archdemon and uses a modified Haste spell to leap up high enough to land on the Dragons head right as it goes to breath spirit fire onto her, grapples with the Archdemon as it flings its' head and neck around trying to throw him off until he sinks his sword into the archdemons eye and slashes across its' throat. Cue the cutscene we've all seen a hundred times, great big lightbulb in sky, stab in skull, Archdemons down. Gets up and rushes over to Morrigan who has two broken legs and is waiting for a soldier to bring Wynne to fix her legs so she can leave. Warden starts talking to her, asking for more details of the plan (basically take some Witch Hunt dialogue about how I need to know what she's going to be doing with him) and then asking if the ritual succeeded. She says yes and warns me that once Wynne heals her, she's leaving and that I could never pursue her. Warden agrees and  kisses her before mumuring that he was sorry and slipping his dagger up between her ribs into her heart.

Sounds awesome and well thought out  And a bit sad *sniffs*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 28 février 2011 - 02:03 .

[Maria13]

DreGregoire wrote...

@ Forum thread: My whole point is that the perspective of the person you are roleplaying as or writing about makes a difference in regards to the decisions you make. Do you play as a person who hates Morrigan and/or Flemeth? Or a person who trusts their intentions? Or are you a person who is wrapped up in your own survival that you make decisions based on that? Are you the type of person (in game character) that takes things at face value? I mean it's all about the character you are writing or gaming as.

If I'm asking these questions then a reader of a fanfiction will be too. If your character has steadily acted a certain way and then changes their behavior a reader will notice. So when I ask well is your character the type who would... blah blah, I am only trying to help with the development of a character and the story. I hope it's okay to do that if not, my bad!

This is a good question and involves a major plot development in my FF. My answer is as follows:

Basically; Neriya and Alistair are young and inexperienced, they both grow to distrust Morrigan who in turn despises them both.  But Morrie is necessary to help end the Blight. When Morrie comes up with the DR proposal Neriya crumbles first; whereas Alistair makes clear that he is prepared to die slaying the big A.  Neriya is unwilling to let Alistair do this for two reasons, one, she loves him and two she sees him as necessary to bring Ferelden together once the Blight is ended, as an elf and a mage (also a female), she recognises she cannot do this herself.

She therefore pursuades Alistair, who, against his better judgment, does the deed.

Big A is killed and they survive, but... Neriya becomes obsessed with hunting down and if necessary killing the OGB to redress the perceived harm to Alistair and the future threat.  Alistair would rather not think about killing a child and has his hands more than full attempting to become a good king, instead he attempts to pursuade Neriya to become his mistress.  Their desires are incompatible so eventually they break up...

Both cope with the ensuing guilt in completely different ways.

[inquartata02]

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Glorfindel709 wrote...

Inquartata - I love your stories. Just thought I'd give you the memo

Why, thank you! 

By the way, I think your idea about the Dalish elf being taken to the tower story really intriguing and I look forward to reading it once you've gotten it written.

[LupusYondergirl]

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[Sialater]

Moira's pestering me for a one shot with her and Anders as children/teenagers. So... how much older would y'all say he is than The Warden? (I've been assuming Moira's 22-23 during DA:O and The Rescue. She'll probably just turn 24 in Awakening.)

[Maria13]

Guessing I'd say not much over six years older...

[Sialater]

Another question I have to answer is why would they Harrow a chronic escapee?

[Merilsell]

Barf, why did I update yesterday when FF.net was broken (again)? I have the feeling my chapter totally fell under the radar to get recognized. I mean only 40 people have clicked the new chap so far...that is not even close to the amount I have on story alerts. Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid and need to wait a bit longer *shrug*

Totally unrelated question for the native speaker here: I need some variety for "tilting her/his head" narrowing her/his eyes" He/she shrugged" which I use too often without well....variety. Some tips for a poor german here? Oh how I love to describe body language during a convo at times *barf*

Modifié par Merilsell, 28 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[Maria13]

@Meril you can say, "cocking his head" for tilting sounds a bit funny, I know. "Tipped his head to one side"

As for the others *shrug*, I also use "shrug" way too much... Just ran a quick scan on Google for synonyms. Not many: at all. Guess you could do a description of the gesture as in: "He raised his shoulders and opened his hands with an expression of hopelessness/indifference."

"Narrow eyes", "He slitted his eyes"

You are not an ignorant German BTW, this is a bloody good question!

[Raonar]

Merilsell wrote...

Barf, why did I update yesterday when FF.net was broken (again)? I have the feeling my chapter totally fell under the radar to get recognized. I mean only 40 people have clicked the new chap so far...that is not even close to the amount I have on story alerts. Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid and need to wait a bit longer *shrug*

Totally unrelated question for the native speaker here: I need some variety for "tilting her/his head" narrowing her/his eyes" He/she shrugged" which I use too often without well....variety. Some tips for a poor german here? Oh how I love to describe body language during a convo at times *barf*

Tilt head/gave sideways glance/threw a curious look/looked at x incredulously.
Shrug/waved him off/brush aside. If you want actual body movements... here.

Basically, The Thesaurus is your best friend. I use it constanly, and so do many people here if I understand things right.

[Glorfindel709]

Sialater - The way that I took it was that it's not so much that they harrowed a flight risk, but he waited until he was Harrowed to begin his escape attempts so they wouldnt make him a Tranquil.

That's the reasoning why my Dalish Mage doesnt immediatly try to escape (along with wanting to train himself up to be an extremely powerful mage so when he gets back to his clan he can protect them from outside threats

[Maria13]

Sialater wrote...

Another question I have to answer is why would they Harrow a chronic escapee?

There was a distinct possibility he might not pass it.  The Chief Enchanter insists that even if he is a chronic escapee as a mage it is his right to be harrowed...

[Glorfindel709]

@Merilsell I actually really liked the newest chapter, lot of emotional development between the two Wardens and Alistairs reaction to Bhelen/Harrowmont was hilarious.