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#8976
Miri1984

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Merilsell wrote...

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Is anyone else having difficulty uploading files to FF.net at the moment? It's rejecting me :(

Aye, just tested it. Seems like we have found yet another FF.net error, right? File uploads, notifications, stats, what s next? Is my PC going to explode when I click a site on FF.net? :blink:

I have worked around the error by C+P my new chap in one of the older doc's  I still had and saved that file then. By doing this I was able to send my chapter away for beta-ing at least. This could work for you as well, Miri...given that you still have such files in your document manager.

Honestly, I hate FF.net with a fiery passion at times. This are one of these days.:sick:

@Liso: Word.

I have my favorite ending as well, but that doesn't mean that the other endings are wrong. I just don't care much for them, that is all. :P


YOU'RE A GENIUS! THANKYOU!

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Ive never done a Redeemer ending. I've always done either Ultimate Sacrifice in the majority of my playthroughs, or the DR (especially since I got Awakening). I do feel that allowing the OGB out into the world is a dangerous thing. Hence my terribly terribly AU idea to kill the option before it can propigate into something horrid. Will I feel terrible if I write that chapter? Yes. I love Morrigan, she's one of my favorite characters in any form of media. Will I possibly mope and cry about it? Most likely. But it is what my Warden would have done had the opportunity been present. So I'll remain true to that.

Or I might make that entire part a dream sequence and have my Warden wake up next to Morrigan the night before the battle scared out of his mind that he considered doing that to the woman he loved. Which would allow Witch Hunt to happen in the world thus making it not as AU as it could be.

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It appears that notifications are borked yet again on FFn as well. Whee.

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I had trouble yesterday with FF.net so either it's having hipcups or they're doing some upgrading or maintenance without telling us about it :)

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Yep, I haven't seen your PM until I was randomly clicking on my profile, inquarta. Sigh. Great, just great. So server issues are next, I take it? Probably so that people are unable to review again. Or equally gruesome stuff.

There...now I have jinxed it, but considering the amount of errors already atm, this wouldn't be such a huge thing to happen anymore. *runs away*

@Miri: You are welcome :)

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 Yeah, it was working for a while today after being borked last night, but back on the fritz now. FFn broken?! Here's my totally not shocked at all face. :mellow:

Oh, sure, jinx it and run away. I see how it is. <_<

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Notifications started working in the middle of the night last night (well, east coast US time), since I woke up to a bunch of emails. Then they broke again. They started working again at some point in the last couple hours, at least briefly, since I got a couple more review notices... but I've read and reviewed chapters I still haven't been notified of.

Re: Body language...
One of the most interesting assignments in a creative writing class I took was to go to a public place and observe people from a distance. People alone, people in pairs, and people in groups. We were supposed to stay far enough back not to hear them and describe their motions and actions in detail. Later on we took one of those descriptions and had to create dialogue for it.

It's interesting, the things people do. And everyone has their own quirks. Some people might fold their arms when they're upset, but others might shift one foot behind them and lean their weight back slightly, or they might open and close their fists, or put their hands in their pockets and narrow their eyes.
Personally, I prefer to have people interact with their environment or the people they're with instead of just tilting their head or whatever. An angry person might slam a book down, or their glass. They could shove back from a table or something. Someone who is comfortable might warm their hands over a fire, or stretch their legs out and lean back on their elbows. Two people who are involved might randomly touch each other, running a hand across their partner's arm, or brushing their hair back. I'll sometimes include random actions if I want to break up a chunk of dialogue without ending the conversation. Like having someone say something, stand up and put a log on the fire, sit back down, and continue speaking.
Some of my major characters have mannerisms that are unique to them. Maggie will start playing with her hair when she's upset, tugging on it or shoving it behind her ears and pulling it forward again. If she's comfortable with the group she's in she'll pull her feet up onto her chair like this. Anders covers his mouth when he finds something amusing at her expense and bites his nails or tries to smooth his hair back when he's nervous or upset. Alistair rubs the back of his neck when he's embarrassed or doesn't want to talk about something. Some of them people have picked up on, others not, but it's mostly for me to keep them all distinct in my mind.

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Mahkara wrote...

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Mahkara

Your "opinion" which btw, is all that it is, has been expressed with a lot of scorn towards other peoples choices. Bioware has done an amazing job and keeping areas of grey on the dark ritual, as well as best case scenario for the ending.

Yes, Hardening Alistair, marry him off to Anora, and let Loghain take the final blow may 'seem' best overall. How do you know though? What foreseeable premonitions do you have, that the rest of the players do not?

So let us see. Anora and Alistair are married. Loghian is dead. However, any mention of heirs? Nope. Which means what? Thirty years from now, another civil war? A country once again, tossed into turmoil?

Alistair marries the Cousland girl. She was raised in the highest ranking family in Ferelden. Sure, maybe no baby making, still same scenario. She would have been taught all that Anora was, and maybe even more.

Anora rules alone? Yes, because she does such a lovely job taking charge while Howe and her Father rule her like a puppet. Anora is totally worthless by herself.

I am not going to go through every single scenario, and I have played them all. My point is, regardless of what you chose to do in game or write in FF. All of this is personal preference and opinion. Telling people they are wrong outright without substantial proof to back up the claim, is monumentally wrong. How we all decide to tell a story or play the game is correct. Why? Imagination is a wonderful thing. Regardless of choices, none of them are wrong..

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I doubt that we'll agree, but yes, my opinion is that letting a huge potential threat out in the world is a horrible, horrible idea and that I'd have a hard time considering a character that did such a thing as "good" (especially as the game provides you with many other options).  And if that character did not consider the OGB to be a potential threat, then yes, I would consider them naive.  


I don't object to your opinion but I think your assertion that most readers will agree with you is extremely arrogant

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My best ending would be DR + Hardened!Alistair and Anora + Loghain lives. DR from a meta standpoint because I want to see where it goes, but also because I trust Morrigan. Hardened!Alistair and Anora because, going by the epilogue slides, that leaves Ferelden with the best rulers. Loghain alive because I want to keep him around to make up for his mistakes.

Anyway, to forcibly derail the topic back to me because I am important.

How would one get on the good sides of/become friends with Zevran and Oghren? I ask because I feel I have enough knowledge of everyone else's characters to make interaction seem natural, but those two elude me.

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Personally, I think sparing Loghain is an impossibly risky decision.  His sudden about face from "you're an evil Orlesian agent" to "you're Ferelden's best hope" seems completely inexplicable.  I'm sorry, but "I sense a strength in you..." is not an adequate explanation.  If he thought you were an Orlesian agent before, the evidence against you is much stronger now.  You show up with an Orlesian companion, are assisted in murdering his second in command by Anora's Orlesian maid, and rescue an Orlesian Warden. I can't see any reason why he won't murder me in my sleep to "save" Ferelden at first opportunity.  He's either insane or lying...and no, I don't think the visions induced by being given a magic potion by an Orlesian agent can realistically be expected to change his mind.  My warden won't spare Loghain because he's not suicidal.




And quite apart from this, with which I wholeheartedly agree, BTW, what value does Loghain bring? He is well passed his prime, awkward and potentially insane? Aren't you better off recruiting someone younger, physically vigourous, and more malleable from Denerim jail, say?

I am not at all sure that Duncan, for example, would have recruited him. All Duncan's recruits are exactly that: Young, possibly gifted and malleable....  Alistair, if not particularly gifted (sometimes I can be a realist) has the added political advantage of being related to the royal family. Loghain is past it and has lost the Landsmeet.  Off with his head.:o

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Well, you'd have to see why he doesn't already get along with them. Zevran basically gets along with everyone and drinking with Oghren should be enough, I think. Though if you mean some closer relationship, I wouldn't know.

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Mahkara wrote...

Oh, I think you can come up with loads of reasons as to why your character would do the DR.  (Also included:  They love Morrigan and are sure she'd so no harm/trust her that the OGB is a great thing.  Or for all that, they think that Thedas has it coming.)

BUT, that said, if you do the DR, it's fair that most readers are going to think that your character is either a) highly self interested and short sighted, B) hopelessly naive, c) a psychopathic monster (depending on their rationale) for doing the ritual.  I get sort of annoyed at the many, many fanfics written where as the author can't destroy her and Alistair's love by either sacrificing Loghain or sacrificing herself or Alistair.  It doesn't come off as amazing and heroic then...it comes off as selfish.


Yeah, I agree.  It's sort of dissapointing how a lot of stories gloss over the moral implications of what performing the dark ritual really means and how deeply selfish of a decision that it is in almost all circumstances.  Especially stories that have Alistair and the Warden skipping off happily into the sunset without a second thought about what they've possibly unleashed.  I'm guessing that there are so many rehashes of the game instead of stories that deal with the aftermath of these decisions - because writers don't want to deal with the implications.  When I see stories that deal more with the handwringing of "Omg if I have you do the ritual, what will happen to our true love, Alistair?" instead of "Holy crap, what might this decision do to the country we are trying to save?" it's a pretty sure way to get me to tune out.

And am I the only one that thinks that if Alistair was the one who did the ritual, he would be all messed up over the thought that there was this bastard kid of his out there that he wasn't geting the chance to raise?  I think that would tear him up pretty bad, and definitely interfere with any sort of happily ever after with the warden, I think.  Too bad you almost never see any sort of uncertainity or emotional fallout from Alistair over what it means to not to be able to raise his own kid.

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ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

How would one get on the good sides of/become friends with Zevran and Oghren? I ask because I feel I have enough knowledge of everyone else's characters to make interaction seem natural, but those two elude me.


They're both looking for second chances, IMO.

Zevran's been treated as a tool all his life; for a long time, he thought a vaulable tool, but in the end, just a disposable tool.  Treating him like a *person* goes a long way to getting his friendship.  Something the game doesn't support, but that would be interesting to see in a Blight fic, would be balancing this with his learned reflex to consider any such consideration a sign of soft weakness.  A Warden who is obviously and consistently both strong and kind just topples his worldview - in a good way. 

Oghren knows exactly what his problems are.  (If you haven't taken him to the Gauntlet ever, go find the video on YouTube.)  Oghren has no idea how to deal with his problems, so he tries to drink them away.  He knows *that* doesn't work, either, and he hates himself for it.  Putting a blade in his hands again and letting him kill darkspawn helps Oghren a lot, I think - it gives him a purpose again, and lets him exercise skills he's got in spades.  He needs to not be a useless cast-aside failure, and traveling with the Warden helps with that.  He's also got grief from losing Branka (if she died) and losing his caste by going to the surface; he seems to gruffly appreciate the Warden talking with him about those things, probably because it's nice to know someone cares when you're hurting.  And nobody's cared about Oghren in at least two years and possibly longer.

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Prisoner24601 wrote...

Mahkara wrote...

Oh, I think you can come up with loads of reasons as to why your character would do the DR.  (Also included:  They love Morrigan and are sure she'd so no harm/trust her that the OGB is a great thing.  Or for all that, they think that Thedas has it coming.)

BUT, that said, if you do the DR, it's fair that most readers are going to think that your character is either a) highly self interested and short sighted, B) hopelessly naive, c) a psychopathic monster (depending on their rationale) for doing the ritual.  I get sort of annoyed at the many, many fanfics written where as the author can't destroy her and Alistair's love by either sacrificing Loghain or sacrificing herself or Alistair.  It doesn't come off as amazing and heroic then...it comes off as selfish.


Yeah, I agree.  It's sort of dissapointing how a lot of stories gloss over the moral implications of what performing the dark ritual really means and how deeply selfish of a decision that it is in almost all circumstances.  Especially stories that have Alistair and the Warden skipping off happily into the sunset without a second thought about what they've possibly unleashed.  I'm guessing that there are so many rehashes of the game instead of stories that deal with the aftermath of these decisions - because writers don't want to deal with the implications.  When I see stories that deal more with the handwringing of "Omg if I have you do the ritual, what will happen to our true love, Alistair?" instead of "Holy crap, what might this decision do to the country we are trying to save?" it's a pretty sure way to get me to tune out.

And am I the only one that thinks that if Alistair was the one who did the ritual, he would be all messed up over the thought that there was this bastard kid of his out there that he wasn't geting the chance to raise?  I think that would tear him up pretty bad, and definitely interfere with any sort of happily ever after with the warden, I think.  Too bad you almost never see any sort of uncertainity or emotional fallout from Alistair over what it means to not to be able to raise his own kid.


Ummm, if you read my or indeed maxernt's fics, I think this is what you will see, to a certain extent Makhara is preaching to the the choir...

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Maria13 wrote...

Ummm, if you read my or indeed maxernt's fics, I think this is what you will see, to a certain extent Makhara is preaching to the the choir...


And what's your point?  That because you and one other person in the thread write fics that you believe reflect what she's talking about, that it's not a worthy topic in a discussion thread about writing fanfiction?  Seriously, I'm totally confused here.

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And what is her point? I did not say it wasn't a worthy discussion, did I?

I was just commenting on the fact that two of us who replied to Dre's original question implicitly agree with Makh...

And what's your point asking me what my point is?

I too am confused.

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Christ, is it wild sweeping generalizations time ALREADY?
I'm on five hours sleep, haven't had my coffee, and am attempting to read on a phone and it still seemed fairly obvious that Maria was giving examples that disagree with a couple of major blanket statements. Or are dissenting opinions not allowed in conversation?

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LupusYondergirl wrote...

Christ, is it wild sweeping generalizations time ALREADY?
I'm on five hours sleep, haven't had my coffee, and am attempting to read on a phone and it still seemed fairly obvious that Maria was giving examples that disagree with a couple of major blanket statements. Or are dissenting opinions not allowed in conversation?


I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.  I didn't understand her response to my post where she quoted what I said and pretty much didn't respond to what I posted,  so I asked her what her point was in making it.   Of course dissenting opinions are allowed.  Where did I say otherwise?

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Maria13 wrote...

And what is her point? I did not say it wasn't a worthy discussion, did I?

I was just commenting on the fact that two of us who replied to Dre's original question implicitly agree with Makh...

And what's your point asking me what my point is?

I too am confused.


I'm just puzzled as to why I'm being called incredibly arrogant by someone who shares my opinion...

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Maria13 wrote...


And quite apart from this, with which I wholeheartedly agree, BTW, what value does Loghain bring? He is well passed his prime, awkward and potentially insane? Aren't you better off recruiting someone younger, physically vigourous, and more malleable from Denerim jail, say?

I am not at all sure that Duncan, for example, would have recruited him. All Duncan's recruits are exactly that: Young, possibly gifted and malleable....  Alistair, if not particularly gifted (sometimes I can be a realist) has the added political advantage of being related to the royal family. Loghain is past it and has lost the Landsmeet.  Off with his head.:o


I 100% agree that it's rather goofy that you can't recruit other people in the game.  (Or choose who you *do* recruit, if there are only materials for one joining or whatever.)  Obviously in the game, it's game mechanics.  But I'd be willing to buy a fic that said, "OK, Loghain dies, but now we use the special joining juice to make half of Denerim Grey Wardens" or whatever, and letting an OC take the blow.  

I've also been willing to buy "Avernus takes the blow", "Riordan doesn't jump to his death and takes the blow", or "Alistair in a snit fit does the dark ritual to the horror of the Warden".  Fanfiction doesn't have to 100% stick to the plot of the story.

But, yeah, I do think that it's shoddy characterization to portray your Warden as heroic and selfless...up until they have to make the hard choices, then they make a selfish one...but everyone pretends that it's a great idea, as OMG, who wants to face the possibility that the DR was potentially a really, really horrible idea.  A rule of fiction is that actions have consequences.  The DR is great in that you finally get a situation in which there is no great outcome (unless you've always secretly thought Anora + Alistair was great, and believed that throwing Loghain to the arch demon was awesome...or totally like the idea of just seeing what the OGB will do...or hated Alistair and wanted him to die...or wanted to be a martyr...or whatever).  That's an awesome chance to character build. When your character's back is against the wall, what do they do?

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Mahkara wrote...

But, yeah, I do think that it's shoddy characterization to portray your Warden as heroic and selfless...up until they have to make the hard choices, then they make a selfish one...but everyone pretends that it's a great idea, as OMG, who wants to face the possibility that the DR was potentially a really, really horrible idea.  A rule of fiction is that actions have consequences.  The DR is great in that you finally get a situation in which there is no great outcome (unless you've always secretly thought Anora + Alistair was great, and believed that throwing Loghain to the arch demon was awesome...or totally like the idea of just seeing what the OGB will do...or hated Alistair and wanted him to die...or wanted to be a martyr...or whatever).  That's an awesome chance to character build. When your character's back is against the wall, what do they do?


Yeah, agreed.  And the thing is too, that just because doing the ritual is in most circumstances a pretty selfish choice, that doesn't mean that it's not a sympethitic choice.  Watching someone struggle with not wanting to die vs. the right thing to do is a pretty compelling story conflict to watch.  I could totally relate to a character who said "Okay, I got dragged into this mess, I've done enough already and I don't want to die."  Is it the most morally responsible choice to make?  Not really.  But it's an understandable one and far more compelling than reading a story where everyone sort of acts like taking the dark ritual is somehow heroic.

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Ummm, check the messages Makhara, I didn't call you incredibly arrogant.

As to the moral implications of the DR I agree with Makh and Prisoner on aestethic grounds. It is my view that it is one of the most fruitful plot twists to address from DA and those that don't do so are missing out on many creative possibilities. QED.

www.fanfiction.net/s/5885435/16/Dark_Ritual

www.fanfiction.net/s/5885435/17/Dark_Ritual

However, I do think that you come down a bit hard on those that choose to take another view.  And are too soft on those that do a fiction dodge to not confront the moral issues raised to by the DR.

That's all I'm saying.

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*sighs* Look I didn't mean to start some huge thing where anybody got insulted. But I do think trashing a certain type of fanfiction on the fanfiction forum thread can serve to hurt some feelings. My attempt was to show that although a fic might not say it in so many words there are other ways to view the ritual. I've only read about 15 maybe 20 different fanfiction stories, but those, in my view, have nobody skipping happily off into the sunset, hand in hand, when they do the ritual.

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Whoa.....When did the air in here get so hostile?

Anyway.....On the DR I'm inclined to agree that it's hard to justify performing it. The plain fact is, love doesn't always conquer all. Nor should it when the stakes are as high as we're led to believe in DA. The only people I can see performing the ritual for reasons that may or may not make sense are a Mage or a Dalish Warden. The Mage because they are thinking of trying to harness that power for themselves at a later date, or have some kind of inside information about the Old Gods, or have an idea of what Morrigan is planning to do with the child (ie. a Flemeth type thing). The Dalish might honestly believe that the imprisoned Old Gods might be their old Gods and see this as a chance to free one. It's a stretch but I can see how it's possible. In the end there is no guarantee that ANY of the Wardens are going to survive the battle at Denerim. I mean, really, you have three (possibly four, I'm getting to that) Wardens going after the Archdemon. Those aren't great odds. You have to wade through the city, climb a tower festering over with enemies and then fight this monsterous deity on top of a tower WHILE fighting darkspawn. There is no reason at all that you should survive this. It was a huge risk. Perform the DR and you're still not sure you're walking away from that battle. You fail, Ferelden falls and the Archdemon throws the world into chaos until it is defeated, except now it's going to be reborn into human form, with an uncertain future, and no one knows about it or can warn anyone because the only people who did know about it are dead.

DR for love and love alone is a hard pill to swallow but not impossible. The Warden had little to no time to be fully indocterinated into the Grey Warden philosphy. You got drafted at an inopportune time for you. No training, no teaching, no history, ect of the Wardens and you are forced to just find your way as you go. It is possible to see how someone might jump at DR for the chance to live and maybe have some happiness in their life after all they've struggled through. Is it right? I don't believe so. In FF the Warden would have be portrayed as deeply, deeply flawed to pull it off without sounding all light and fluffy.

Yes, the hand wringing of "how do we go on from here now that you've slept with someone else?" You'd think that with a world to save this might be the last thing on your mind.

I'd really like to read a ff where Alistair is seriously messed up about the whole affair and how it was presented and what it could possibily mean. He might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he's very emotionally driven and inolved in his sense of duty. I think sleeping with Morrigan would really mess with him on a number of levels. So much so that he might not ever fully recover from it.

About Loghain. I actually think sparing him can be easily justified. If you're playing a practical and pragmatic Warden it would be to good political advantave to keep him around. For me, it's all about PR and necessity. Loghain is a seasoned warrior, head of Ferelden's armies with a wealth of experience and knowledge of Denerim and its defenses. He, undoubtably, still commands a great deal of respect with the soldiers and generals of the army. Those men aren't aware of all the other stuff he's been up to on a political front. Sparing him and having him pep talk the army (I think) would be good for their moral before marching against horrible monsters. Those men he took away from Ostegar might look at the retreat from the point of view that Loghain saw something that they didn't and knew it was sucide. Considering that the army was defeated at Ostegar the men with Loghain may look at him as their savior and not a traitor. Killing him isn't likely to gain their wholehearted support and you need them on your side, fully behind you for what you're going to ask them to do.

Grey Wardens are supposed to politically neutral. Defeating Loghain at the Landsmeet, even after swaying the nobles in your direction, shows that you are willing to play by their rules. It also shows, that after all the crimes Loghain committed, the Warden is still willing to be the better person and show mercy where none needs be warrented. The Warden my also take Rioden's suggetion to recruit Loghain at face value. As in, Rioden knows something that you don't and it doesn't hurt to keep Loghain alive until you've had the chance to hear it.

Ferelden is in chaos and very politically unstable. Destroying all the leadership they've had to that point doesn't seem like the best idea. It maked it look like the Wardens are trying to make a coup for the crown and further destabilize the country. Worse case scenario, Loghain dies in the Joining. It's known it's a dangerous process so no fault would be laid at the Warden's feet later. Sense so much about politics is public image I can see how this scenario works in the Warden's favor.

Of course, you have no idea if Loghain is going to try to knife you in the back or not. The Warden has to trust in Rioden that once Loghain fully understand that it is a Bight that he will act in Ferelden's best interest. And this proves to be true. He was acting an ass for the wrong reasons but talking with Loghain quickly shows what he's made of. You don't have to like the guy but I think most Warden's consider what they are up against and their odds for survival and think that more Wardens is always better than less.

Honesty I think BW didn't handle the end of DA well. Alistair should not be able to be king. He's a Grey Warden and thus bound by those laws. Anora shouldn't be able to remain Queen. Anyone can see she was used as a puppet and, undoubtably, partly accountable for what happened after Cailen's death. What you would think would happen is a complete housecleaning.

Fergus being nominated as King. He's reputable and comes from a powerful family, acension wise it makes sense. Anora held as a political prisoner, off to the tower for you my dear! Loghain Wardenized and Alistair forced to suck up his silly boo boo hurt feelings. Get your asses up that tower and kill that dragon! 

*whew* That went on longer that I intended. Sorry if this turns into a wall of text Or if i make no sense. <_<

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KSuri wrote...

Yes, the hand wringing of "how do we go on from here now that you've slept with someone else?" You'd think that with a world to save this might be the last thing on your mind.

I'd really like to read a ff where Alistair is seriously messed up about the whole affair and how it was presented and what it could possibily mean. He might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he's very emotionally driven and inolved in his sense of duty. I think sleeping with Morrigan would really mess with him on a number of levels. So much so that he might not ever fully recover from it.


Yes, this.  I have a really, really hard time believing that doing the dark ritual wouldn't mess up Alistair on a lot of levels.  Like you say, not only is he very emotionally driven, but now he's just created a kid that he'll probably never see again - a bastard, like him, that's going to grow up without knowing his father.  To me, this would be a huge hurdle for a fic writer to get over if they're trying to sell me on an Alistair + Warden true love forever happy ending fluffy romance.  I've read a few rare fics that have dealt with Alistair's emotional fallout from the ritual, but it would be cool to see it explored more in fandom.

And pretty much I agree with everything else you've said as well, other than the part about Anora.  I think it makes a lot of sense to marry both Alistair and Anora off.  On the other hand, I do see your point about starting over from scratch (I think that's a damned interesting idea), although I'm not sure that Fergus, who spends an entire game derping around in the wilderness would be the best choice as king.   Then again, maybe if Fergus was married to Anora...  now that would be an interesting fic to read.

Modifié par Prisoner24601, 01 mars 2011 - 04:20 .