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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The alternative is that Zathrien's spellpower sucks. :P


Which is not feasible since he;s hundreds of years old and pretty much could take on Witherfang and all her werewolf goons by himself  and awaken treants to fight for him.... yeah....

Hmm, well Zerban, I dunno. You COULD say the ultra resistance thing was because he was templr-y and he shot off Zathrian's connection to the Fade and he managed a really pitiful lightning bolt... but meh.

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@Zerban - Alistair got a Smite in and weakened his concentration?

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DreGregoire wrote...

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Random question - just how powerful can a templar's magic resistance be? I know there's a protection against mind-altering spells, but what about direct-damage spells? I ask because in the latest chapter Alistair took a lightning bolt from Zathrian straight on the chest and barely flinched.


You know I'm totally in awe of the templar's abilities, I'll have to do some research to answer this question. brb. LOL


Templars have high mental resistence and have abilities to drain mana and do spirit damage. Now how far were they from each other? Is it possible that they were close enough that Zath ran out of mana part way through his casting? Is your pc a mage or do you have a mage in your party? There is other resist magic, but if Alistair is using his abilities those resist spells would be null and void. :)

Mage Spell:
Glyph of Neutralization -- Any target coming within 2.5 m of the glyph is instantly drained of up to 100000 mana. While under the influence of the glyph, targets are applied the effects of Anti-Magic, rendering them nearly immune to hostile magic. You can cast up to 5 I think so essentially your could cover your whole party by it. :)

Edit: Or if all else fails make up your own reason why Alistair is so uber that a bolt of zizzle has no effect on him. Did Alistair take a anti-magic potion or something? Heh.

Edit 2: Shadow brought up a good point about the templar armor with spell resist
Or maybe Alistair has a ring or amulet that has a very powerful spell resist. :)

Modifié par DreGregoire, 02 mars 2011 - 09:25 .


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@Dre

Alistair was basically nose-to-nose with Zathrian, and both Wynne and Ven were with him at the time - though Ven doesn't count as a full mage. So... yeah. Mebbe he was just SO pissed that he upset Zathrian's concentration. It was also an excuse for Alistair to sucker-punch him. :P

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In related news, I just want to say that, by some posting timing and whatnot, I got a record number of hits on my latest chapter that exceeds the previous top spot by about 15-200 hits (which is a lot for me).

So, allow me to offer you cookies as a means to celebrate.

*hands out cookies and milk for good measure*

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Did something happen to the ff site? It looks all wonky!

@Raonar...That's great!

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Raonar wrote...

Unwarrnted change of subject.

You know, It's really frustrating when I stumble upon stories that miss the whole point of what being a Grey Warden implies. To clarify, the author thinks the best wardens are barely capable of beating one or four darkspawn on their own... whatever that means.

Coupled with portraying certain other, very old, characters as distinctly superior to a warden in his prime, who is a dwarf AND has the extra kick from Avernus's alcemical drink... I can't help but see the text screaming bias towards that particular character.

/end rant


I'm going to actually disagree here.

To me, how good the Wardens are depends a lot, I think, on what the author is doing with the story.

Sure, in game, I'd 100% agree that Wardens can take on hoardes of darkspawn on their own. But this *could* be termed game mechanics.  (As so much else that the author disagrees about in game, and wants to write differently in fanfiction is.)

A lot depends on where the author is going with the story.  If they want their Warden to be superman, that's awesome!  (And supported by canon.)  But I can also see some logic in writing a Warden who is a bit more human...which can also boost the drama in even less "epic" encounters.  It all depends on the way the author chooses to slant their fiction.  If they want superman, I say, go for it.  But I wouldn't criticize someone who wrote Wardens that were merely human, either.  TBH, I often prefer reading about grittier, more realistic fantasy worlds where the Warden can only do so much, magic doesn't save everyone all the time, etc.

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Mahkara wrote...

Raonar wrote...

Unwarrnted change of subject.

You know, It's really frustrating when I stumble upon stories that miss the whole point of what being a Grey Warden implies. To clarify, the author thinks the best wardens are barely capable of beating one or four darkspawn on their own... whatever that means.

Coupled with portraying certain other, very old, characters as distinctly superior to a warden in his prime, who is a dwarf AND has the extra kick from Avernus's alcemical drink... I can't help but see the text screaming bias towards that particular character.

/end rant


I'm going to actually disagree here.

To me, how good the Wardens are depends a lot, I think, on what the author is doing with the story.

Sure, in game, I'd 100% agree that Wardens can take on hoardes of darkspawn on their own. But this *could* be termed game mechanics.  (As so much else that the author disagrees about in game, and wants to write differently in fanfiction is.)

A lot depends on where the author is going with the story.  If they want their Warden to be superman, that's awesome!  (And supported by canon.)  But I can also see some logic in writing a Warden who is a bit more human...which can also boost the drama in even less "epic" encounters.  It all depends on the way the author chooses to slant their fiction.  If they want superman, I say, go for it.  But I wouldn't criticize someone who wrote Wardens that were merely human, either.  TBH, I often prefer reading about grittier, more realistic fantasy worlds where the Warden can only do so much, magic doesn't save everyone all the time, etc.


Look, you can kill more than four darkspawn and not be superhuman. The situation I am referring to is when a warden in his prime, who has fought werewolves,darkspawn, Golems and DRAGONS  and won with no debilitating injuries, AND drunk a potion that, by all accounts, DID make him superhuman... can barely fight agains a normal human in his fifties.

Modifié par Raonar, 02 mars 2011 - 05:21 .


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Raonar wrote...

Look, you can kill more than four darkspawn and not be superhuman. The situation I am referring to is when a warden in his prime, who has fought werewolves,darkspawn, Golems and DRAGONS  and won with no debilitating injuries, AND drunk a potion that, by all accounts, DID make him superhuman... can barely fight agains a normal human in his fifties.


I'll agree that it is rather goofy when someone sets up their Warden as able to kill dragons unassisted, then suddenly has problems as soon as the plot demands it.  (That's the problem in a lot of fiction, really, where a protagonist is set up one way, then it's changed dramatically without a lot of build up.  I could buy that scenario *if* the old man was someone special...i.e. a male version of Flemmeth or whatever.)  But I'm still not sure that killing 4 darkspawn is something normal. They're supposed to be pretty fearsome, after all.  And I don't really know a lot of people who could kill four humans on their own, far less four monstrous undead.  (I certainly couldn't, for what it's worth...and Duncan is done in by an ogre, despite his prowess. Admittedly, ogres are scary, but still...)

Again, a lot to me, depends on the set up. If you go from "invincible hero" to "barely able to take out a doddering old man", yeah, I 100% agree that the story sucks.  But if you go, "This guy only managed to kill the dragon with the help of his friends and a lot of luck, only kills darkspawn through savvy and careful planning, and then is stuck in a head to head fight with a great warrior (who just happens to be a bit elderly), I could buy the story.  Trust me, with exercise and a proper diet (and probably some luck and good genes), you can be in pretty good shape well past 50.

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Again, a lot to me, depends on the set up. If you go from "invincible hero" to "barely able to take out a doddering old man", yeah, I 100% agree that the story sucks. But if you go, "This guy only managed to kill the dragon with the help of his friends and a lot of luck, only kills darkspawn through savvy and careful planning, and then is stuck in a head to head fight with a great warrior (who just happens to be a bit elderly), I could buy the story. Trust me, with exercise and a proper diet (and probably some luck and good genes), you can be in pretty good shape well past 50.


Raonar is referring to my story where I had my Dwarf Noble almost lose to Loghain in the duel, and I never did make my Warden to be some supernatural hero since I don't like using that concept in my stories.

But apparently an old man who spent the last 30 years on a strict training regime, who fought many battles in his time can stand no match for a Dwarf who faced Dragons! Ignoring the fact my Dwarf had an entire party at his back when doing so else he would have been crushed.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 mars 2011 - 05:59 .


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Does anyone else have some words disappear from their stories after they upload to FF? I noticed that, and then when i went to edit it, they were there, but when i looked at my actual story, they were still gone. Great, now people are gonna get confused by my writing :( they're gonna think my characters are derpy lol.

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Mahkara wrote...

Raonar wrote...

Look, you can kill more than four darkspawn and not be superhuman. The situation I am referring to is when a warden in his prime, who has fought werewolves,darkspawn, Golems and DRAGONS  and won with no debilitating injuries, AND drunk a potion that, by all accounts, DID make him superhuman... can barely fight agains a normal human in his fifties.


I'll agree that it is rather goofy when someone sets up their Warden as able to kill dragons unassisted, then suddenly has problems as soon as the plot demands it.  (That's the problem in a lot of fiction, really, where a protagonist is set up one way, then it's changed dramatically without a lot of build up.  I could buy that scenario *if* the old man was someone special...i.e. a male version of Flemmeth or whatever.)  But I'm still not sure that killing 4 darkspawn is something normal. They're supposed to be pretty fearsome, after all.  And I don't really know a lot of people who could kill four humans on their own, far less four monstrous undead.  (I certainly couldn't, for what it's worth...and Duncan is done in by an ogre, despite his prowess. Admittedly, ogres are scary, but still...)

Again, a lot to me, depends on the set up. If you go from "invincible hero" to "barely able to take out a doddering old man", yeah, I 100% agree that the story sucks.  But if you go, "This guy only managed to kill the dragon with the help of his friends and a lot of luck, only kills darkspawn through savvy and careful planning, and then is stuck in a head to head fight with a great warrior (who just happens to be a bit elderly), I could buy the story.  Trust me, with exercise and a proper diet (and probably some luck and good genes), you can be in pretty good shape well past 50.


I didn't say unassisted. Whatever, I shall not say anymore. People will inevitably misunderstand and a flame war will erupt. Nevermind me.

Modifié par Raonar, 02 mars 2011 - 06:29 .


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thesnowtigress wrote...

Does anyone else have some words disappear from their stories after they upload to FF? I noticed that, and then when i went to edit it, they were there, but when i looked at my actual story, they were still gone. Great, now people are gonna get confused by my writing :( they're gonna think my characters are derpy lol.


I've found upon editting within fanfiction some funky things have happened. You replaced the chapter or did you just edit the file? :)

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I see no problem with Loghain being a match for the Warden. 1) Loghain isn't exactly an old man. 2) He's pretty experienced himself. 3) It would be pretty boring narrative-wise for the Warden to curbstomp Loghain 4) Wardens aren't Witchers. They're still roughly human - just the cream of the crop,

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DreGregoire wrote...

I just read somewhere that there were two months between the archdemon defeat and the coronation. Has anybody else heard that?

No, I haven't but it really would make sense. First if your Warden took the blow, then she/he needs time to recover (I can't imagine that the Warden remains unscathed by the final blow despite performed DR. ) As well need your companions and the city itself. There is the issue of burning and broken buildings, as well corpses and such) And then there is the needed time to get the Coronation ready, so yeah come to think of it two months makes a hell of a sense here.

Where did you hear that btw?

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Raonar is referring to my story where I had my Dwarf Noble almost lose to Loghain in the duel, and I never did make my Warden to be some supernatural hero since I don't like using that concept in my stories.

But apparently an old man who spent the last 30 years on a strict training regime, who fought many battles in his time can stand no match for a Dwarf who faced Dragons! Ignoring the fact my Dwarf had an entire party at his back when doing so else he would have been crushed.


Actually this sounds totally reasonable to me.  I mean, I'd have to read the specific setup to see how the buildup went, but I could see Loghain almost besting the warden in a duel (or hell, even willing the duel).  Yeah, he's older, but he's obviously in good shape and frankly he's had decades of expierence fighinting, the dwarf warden is probably pretty young in comparison.  Plus if he's the one who has trained Ser Cauthrien (who kicks so much ass) then he probably is a pretty tough fighter.

Makes sense to me.

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DreGregoire wrote...

thesnowtigress wrote...

Does anyone else have some words disappear from their stories after they upload to FF? I noticed that, and then when i went to edit it, they were there, but when i looked at my actual story, they were still gone. Great, now people are gonna get confused by my writing :( they're gonna think my characters are derpy lol.


I've found upon editting within fanfiction some funky things have happened. You replaced the chapter or did you just edit the file? :)


FF.Net will delete multiple punctuation marks like ?! or ** and sometimes spaces, which will mash two words together. I don't know about deleting entire words though...

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

thesnowtigress wrote...

Does anyone else have some words disappear from their stories after they upload to FF? I noticed that, and then when i went to edit it, they were there, but when i looked at my actual story, they were still gone. Great, now people are gonna get confused by my writing :( they're gonna think my characters are derpy lol.


I've found upon editting within fanfiction some funky things have happened. You replaced the chapter or did you just edit the file? :)


FF.Net will delete multiple punctuation marks like ?! or ** and sometimes spaces, which will mash two words together. I don't know about deleting entire words though...


hmm. it is a mystery to me still. there were no multiple punctuation marks or **, it was just two sentences. it went from this: This ends now. Tell me.
to this: This ends me.

lol.
i bet that confuses people "what is he trying to say?" lol.

I didn't try editing it within the editor, because in the editor it was normal. it's only on the chapter's page that the words go missing.

meh, oh well. maybe i'll try re-uploading the file or something tomorrow.Posted Image

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Raonar is referring to my story where I had my Dwarf Noble almost lose to Loghain in the duel, and I never did make my Warden to be some supernatural hero since I don't like using that concept in my stories.

But apparently an old man who spent the last 30 years on a strict training regime, who fought many battles in his time can stand no match for a Dwarf who faced Dragons! Ignoring the fact my Dwarf had an entire party at his back when doing so else he would have been crushed.


Ah, well, that makes sense to me. Loghain is supposed to be a great hero, after all.  Plus, duels are pretty boring to read when they're like, "The dwarf walked up to Loghain, and a second later, he was DEAD!"

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thesnowtigress wrote...

hmm. it is a mystery to me still. there were no multiple punctuation marks or **, it was just two sentences. it went from this: This ends now. Tell me.
to this: This ends me.


lolwut? :D

lol.
i bet that confuses people "what is he trying to say?" lol.

I didn't try editing it within the editor, because in the editor it was normal. it's only on the chapter's page that the words go missing.

meh, oh well. maybe i'll try re-uploading the file or something tomorrow.Posted Image


Hm. I did notice on my last update that a change I'd done in the editor didn't seem to be appearing within the story itself (this was a linebreak I'd inserted). Turns out it was actually there, so maybe it was just some slow server upload...

I dunno :/ Tried asking someone else to look at the chapter and see if the words are missing on their end?

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Mahkara wrote...

Ah, well, that makes sense to me. Loghain is supposed to be a great hero, after all.  Plus, duels are pretty boring to read when they're like, "The dwarf walked up to Loghain, and a second later, he was DEAD!"


They're pretty boring when they last forever, too.

And if the dwarf is a S&S warrior, it WILL last forever. :D

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I prefer watching battles over reading them myself. LOL. I've only done a few fight scenes, no real battles, and usually in a single persons perspective because I think a narrative one would be long and drawn out. It all goes to what type of reading and/or writing you like to do. :)

Edit: I'm not sure yet how much fighting or battling will go into my Aonghas book 1 rewrite, only time will tell.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 mars 2011 - 02:02 .


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I was planning to have Alistair fight the duel. It won't last forever, but hopefully it'll show that they're about equally matched.

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DreGregoire wrote...

I prefer watching battles over reading them myself. LOL. I've only done a few fight scenes, no real battles, and usually in a single persons perspective because I think a narrative one would be long and drawn out. It all goes to what type of reading and/or writing you like to do. :)

Edit: I'm not sure yet how much fighting or battling will go into my Aonghas book 1 rewrite, only time will tell.


Action scenes are really, really hard to write.   A well written one is fun to read for probably a good several thousand words.  But, yeah, if the author isn't capable of really involving you in the scene. But the same can be said for so much!  I mean, if an author sucks at sex scenes, I'd far rather that they faded to black than bored you with uninteresting and squicky details.  (Or the same for so much else...boring dialogue or whatever...)

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In game or in fanfiction? I must have gone through every health poultice I had to make Alistair do that duel (he was going to be king, so this was a public show of strength...oh the irony), and when he *finally* won and stuff happened, I wanted to reload and try some other dialogue options because Alistair had just dumped my noble Cousland ass (ie. I hadn't declared 'I will rule by his side!' like a pompous git).

I hadn't hard-saved after the duel since I'd already forgotten how bloody long it had taken (I must have mentally blocked it), so after an aborted attempt to make Alistair win a second round I thought to myself, "It'll be the same if I have someone else fight, surely!", fought Loghain myself, won, then LANDSMEET DRAMA.

"Don't spare Loghain!"
"But he surrendered!"
"Fine, make me king and I'll execute him!"
"I was going to make you king anyway, but now I'm seriously reconsidering..."
"So you're going to make Anora Queen, after she betrayed us at the Landsmeet?!"
"Well...no...I guess not. But just for the record, if Loghain wasn't so freakin' souped up for his Boss Fight and you, a S&S Grey Warden and fearsome slayer of darkspawn, could land a sodding hit on his 50 year old ass, we wouldn't be having this argument. :I Fine, be king. I was going to try that 'rule by your side' option, but maybe on the next reload."
"Just wait until you take me along to fight the archdemon. You think you're upset now?"
"..."

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 03 mars 2011 - 07:21 .