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[DreGregoire]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

In game or in fanfiction? I must have gone through every health poultice I had to make Alistair do that duel (he was going to be king, so this was a public show of strength...oh the irony), and when he *finally* won and stuff happened, I wanted to reload and try some other dialogue options because Alistair had just dumped my noble Cousland ass (ie. I hadn't declared 'I will rule by his side!' like a pompous git).

I hadn't hard-saved after the duel since I'd already forgotten how bloody long it had taken (I must have mentally blocked it), so after an aborted attempt to make Alistair win a second round I thought to myself, "It'll be the same if I have someone else fight, surely!", fought Loghain myself, won, then LANDSMEET DRAMA.

"Don't spare Loghain!"
"But he surrendered!"
"Fine, make me king and I'll execute him!"
"I was going to make you king anyway, but now I'm seriously reconsidering..."
"So you're going to make Anora Queen, after she betrayed us at the Landsmeet?!"
"Well...no...I guess not. But just for the record, if Loghain wasn't so freakin' souped up for his Boss Fight and you, a S&S Grey Warden and fearsome slayer of darkspawn, could land a sodding hit on his 50 year old ass, we wouldn't be having this argument. :I Fine, be king. I was going to try that 'rule by your side' option, but maybe on the next reload."
"Just wait until you take me along to fight the archdemon. You think you're upset now?"
"..."

LOL, the exact same thing happened to me. Alistair totally got creamed, but the second time or maybe it was the third or fourth he won. Although I was looking for a little different result than you. I was upset that I didn't even have a chance for a conversation about the execution of Loghain so I fought him myself and managed to beat him on Aonghas, but I had to cheat and activate Arcane Warrior ability. Sshhh, I don't think anybody noticed me doing it. (It was hard to remember not to use magic in the fight lol s&s of course ) LMAO. And all just so I could have Alistair make that face he makes when Rhiordan steps up to speak. LOL that look cracks me up.

Loghain is definately kick ass and obviously he didn't let himself go! LOL

Edit: Sadly Alistair seems to fight better when I'm not directing his actions. hehe

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 mars 2011 - 08:07 .

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Yeah, I know, I've never done the duel with Alistair ingame . In fanfiction it'll be quick and mostly even. Only Elisa and Ven will step in and convince him to let him live while still becoming king. Lol, fic fic.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I'm wondering how you'll manage that without making Alistair look too soft...Loghain doesn't even get to say anything before Alistair decapitates him. Granted it looks like the guy's fallen to his knees before the killing blow, but it happens pretty swiftly. Alistair definitely doesn't give him a chance to surrender. He *hates* Loghain.

[DreGregoire]

*prepares chains and locks to help Eliza and Ven control (restrain) Alistair's rage*

There is nothing like a man in... er. That wasn't what this post was supposed to be about, was it? Zevran a little help here, please!

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 mars 2011 - 08:27 .

[Raonar]

Zevran can't hear you over the sounds of his own *insert appropriate euphemism for suggestive noises here*.

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Well, it bears a lot of explaining. See, Elisa doesn't like Arl Howe (understatement). So, when she comes across Howe while rescuing Anora, she goes a bit crazy. Remember, the amount of rage she has bottled up inside was nearly enough to kill Ven. So Alistair gets a little unsettled after watching Elisa demolish Howe - especially given how nice she usually is - and hopes revenge never changes her like that again.

Fast-forward to Landsmeet. Alistair elects to fight Loghain, despite the party's urging to let Elisa do it. The fight is pretty close, but Alistair never loses his cool and wears Loghain down. Then when Loghain yields (like in the game) he realizes Alistair is a lot like Maric, and accepts defeat. Riordan tries to jump in and talk about recruiting him, but it seems to be too late. Ven blocks Alistair with his sword, then both he and Elisa try to talk Alistair into sparing him. Their arguments are essentially;

1) The Landsmeet soundly rejected him - he has no power
2) He's still the Hero of River Dane - we need an experienced general
3) He still has a whole bunch of soldiers that are undyingly loyal to him.
4) Killing him doesn't bring Duncan back.
5) Killing him won't take away the pain.
6) Letting him live means sentencing him to a lifetime indentured to the order he despises. For bonus points, send him off recruiting in Orlais!
7) Worse comes to worse, another Warden to throw at the Archdemon.
8) It'll show the Landsmeet you're willing to listen to reason.
9) (Elisa specific) You said not to let revenge change me. You aren't the man to kill prisoners.

I don't know if it'll be plausible/possible or not, but I want to somehow build up a non-antagonistic relationship between Alistair and Loghain. Not buddies - just willing to listen to one-another. This of course involves Return to Ostagar.

[Raonar]

Well, considering that it WAS, originally, intended to be in the game (Alistair and Loghain agreeing, sort of), I don't think it's a stretch. I even think there are line sin the toolset, in Loghain's dialogue, to attest this, plus some youtube videos that also show the two in the party and exchanging lines about Cailan.

[Glorfindel709]

Did everyone really have such a hard time with Loghain? I play on Hard or Normal, I creamed loghain in 10 seconds with my Arcane Warrior and then decided t olet Alistair do it. Reloaded back to the beginning of the Landsmeet, won it, selected Alistair as my champion, and two minutes later we had the cutscene...

[Raonar]

I didn;t have any issues really. if you have a S&S warrior with vanguard active, you avoid his war cries and that's that. Or a rogue with dual-weapon/deathroot extract. Or if you MUST be honorable, duelist spec+a lot of impairment skills.

[KSuri]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

In game or in fanfiction? I must have gone through every health poultice I had to make Alistair do that duel (he was going to be king, so this was a public show of strength...oh the irony), and when he *finally* won and stuff happened, I wanted to reload and try some other dialogue options because Alistair had just dumped my noble Cousland ass (ie. I hadn't declared 'I will rule by his side!' like a pompous git).

I hadn't hard-saved after the duel since I'd already forgotten how bloody long it had taken (I must have mentally blocked it), so after an aborted attempt to make Alistair win a second round I thought to myself, "It'll be the same if I have someone else fight, surely!", fought Loghain myself, won, then LANDSMEET DRAMA.

"Don't spare Loghain!"
"But he surrendered!"
"Fine, make me king and I'll execute him!"
"I was going to make you king anyway, but now I'm seriously reconsidering..."
"So you're going to make Anora Queen, after she betrayed us at the Landsmeet?!"
"Well...no...I guess not. But just for the record, if Loghain wasn't so freakin' souped up for his Boss Fight and you, a S&S Grey Warden and fearsome slayer of darkspawn, could land a sodding hit on his 50 year old ass, we wouldn't be having this argument. :I Fine, be king. I was going to try that 'rule by your side' option, but maybe on the next reload."
"Just wait until you take me along to fight the archdemon. You think you're upset now?"
"..."

Hahahahahaha!!!
Never played the HN but I had Alistair go up against Loghain my first playthrough and barley scraped along. (Which was quite upsetting as my spouse rolled over Loghain with his sexy S&S dwarf.) I recall thinking....."How can this young buck NOT beat that bastard down??!!"

Went against Loghain a second time as an elf archer (yeah...that was fun!), recruited Loghain and found out why he's so tough!

[DreGregoire]

Oh sure if I lower the difficulty I can cream anybody, it's like a dance in the park then. LOL. I've played that way when I was just trying to play a story but mostly I enjoy a bit of a challenge. I don't think the difficulty always has to do with that setting though. I think that what choices you make in regards to atrributes (str, dex, etc) has much to do with Loghain's ability and of course what level you are at the time. My level is usually maxed out by then so Loghain is too. Or who knows maybe I just suck at fighting in Dragon Age.

I was a bit miffed that Loghain used his specialties because it's not exactly a honorable duel that way so I went ahead and let Alistair smack him down with his specialties. LOL

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Glorfindel709]

Oh i wasn't talking about lowering the difficulty, I was just asking if it was because I dont play on Nightmare and you folks do or not.

By the Landsmeet Ive usually maxed out (though this last one I was at 24)

[DreGregoire]

Well it maybe more how I play an honorable battle more than anything else, but yes as of late I play on Nightmare unless I get pissed at my suckiness and play on hard. LOL. I refuse to use potions and any ability that a fighter may not have himself. I mean this is in front of the lansmeet. I wouldn't want to hear years from now somebody talking about how myself or Alistair had to throw back like ten health potions to defeat Loghain. That would be a bit embarassing. LOL.

But we have digressed to talking about play style instead of fanfiction. Quick somebody get the thread back on track! LOL

[Glorfindel709]

Well, I've been considering the importance of Eamon Guerrin in my story. It's going to be AU (Mahariel Circle Tower Mage, Blood Magic learned at Tower, Longer stretches of time between events, longer time as a Grey Warden (less than a week, more than 5 hours lol) and other such things)

Here's how I see it. Eamon, is a putz. As is Isolde, The only (possible) redeeming qualities of the Guerrin family are found in Connor and then it all went north to the much loved Bann of Rainsfere. Bann Teagan organized the Civil War against Loghains rule. Bann Teagan gathered the human army. Bann Teagan is respected in the Landsmeet (and the only one besides Loghain bamf enough to wear armor to a diplomatic meeting of state). What if the entire Arl of Redcliffe family were to... end, leaving Teagan to take up his brothers position, alliances, and try to build a semblence of political clout.

I also hate Eamon and Isolde, Connor is just a bystanding abomination that takes an axe into the face >.> <.<

[inquartata02]

I love how your mage had to go to the Tower to learn to be a blood mage.

[Glorfindel709]

He learns it alongside Jowan when Jowan gets involved with the Blood Mage group in the Circle ( I sincerely doubt that there were that many blood mages in Broken Circle that knew each other without some sort of organization) - he doesnt buy into the Canticle of Transfiguations at all, he sees Blood Magic as a tool to defend his people and aid his escape from the tower.

[DreGregoire]

So I'm working on my hero of Ferelden story and am in awakenings playing the game as I write (that's my prefered method), and I was just thinking about the implications of the templars stopping at Vigil's keep--on their way to the tower-- and it suddenly came to me that maybe they stopped there for more than just a rest, perhaps they had thought to have Anders join the wardens. Just speculation, but I might add it in to my story. Also how long do people think awakenings events take day/month wise? I was thinking two months because my guess is all the places you go to aren't more than a day away from the keep.

[Glorfindel709]

Dre - I sincerely doubt the Templars would give Anders to the Grey Wardens. They caught him in Amaranthine, them stopping at Vigils Keep before making their way back to the tower makes sense.

Ser Rylock is our best example of why a Templar would not give a mage to the Grey Wardens, at least imo

[DreGregoire]

I'm sorry but if they picked up Anders in Amaranthine there would be no reason to stop at Vigil's keep. LOL. The two places are way to close to each other to warrant stopping unless the templars had business there.

Edit: But this is what Anders said:
“We were just stopping here on our way back to the tower. Just a short rest, they said, and now they’re dead. Such a shame.”

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Glorfindel709]

Um actually, it would make sense.

Where do you think it would be easier to rest and gather supplies with an apostate captive famous for being a flight risk? A local inn, or the liege lords' Keep? Especially when as a servant of the Chantry, youre pretty much guarented free or reduced price goods with the liege lord and a safe place to store the apostate.

[DreGregoire]

That only make sense to you because you are making assumptions about their reasons for stopping. I too am making assumptions but they don't agree with yours

[Glorfindel709]

I'm going by what they themselves said They're stopping for a rest.

ASSUMPT THIS! >.> <.< kidding

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

Ser Rylock is our best example of why a Templar would not give a mage to the Grey Wardens, at least imo

And this is what my opinion is based on:

We do know that the templars that bring a mage back are not the same ones who make any decisions about what happens to them. As long as the mage doesn't fight the templars the (if the templars aren't bleeding crazy) mage will be returned safely to the Circle.

Anders makes it clear that he is only labeled apostate because he doesn't believe he should have to stay at the tower and his escapes never endanger anybody, unlike Jowan's escape. So maybe a templar wouldn't give a mage to the grey wardens on their own will power but if their orders were to take him to the Keep to see if it was a possiblity, they would do it. 

[DreGregoire]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

I'm going by what they themselves said They're stopping for a rest.

ASSUMPT THIS! >.> <.< kidding

I never talked to the templars and Anders tone when he gives that information is a bit suspect, imo.

[Corker]

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm sorry but if they picked up Anders in Amaranthine there would be no reason to stop at Vigil's keep.

...isn't it raining when Awakening starts?  Maybe getting caught out in the open in a thunderstorm seemed like a bad idea.