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[ZerbanDaGreat1]

What's AO3?

*murders something* Orzammar hates me and my entire existence. The feelings mutual.

[Raonar]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

What's AO3?

*murders something* Orzammar hates me and my entire existence. The feelings mutual.

Pretty much this I think.

Ah, Orzammar. Home to Bhelen, one of the most erroneously-written Villain Sues in gaming history, whose success is owed to game mechanics and idiot balls forcefully fed to other characters (besides at least SEVEN different deus ex machinas). Yes, I counted.

And I reached  this conclusion after weeks of trying to find arguments FOR choosing him as king. Ironic isn't it?

*waits for flamers*

Modifié par Raonar, 13 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[Elysium-Fic]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

ffic imported to AO3 (thanks, Elysium_fic!). w00t.

You're welcome. I still have four invite codes if anyone wants them.

Sending an invite code requires me to enter your email addy into a form at AO3, at which point they generate the invite they send to you, so if you want an invite, PM me an email addy and I will get it done for you!

[errant_knight]

Is FF traffic down again? If so, I continue to be amazed at how truly bad the code for that site works.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

I don't know. I get no hits or story alert notifications all day and then suddenly a whole bunch all at once. I haven't published a chapter in 3 weeks so I expect my traffic to slow down anyway, but the stats/notification behavior is still a little weird IMO.

[Maria13]

I think it is given the disparity between yesterday's figures and today's.

[Maria Caliban]

How do you decide if your fanwork is transformative or not?

[mousestalker]

Channel your inner Ovid...

[Maria Caliban]

mousestalker wrote...

Channel your inner Ovid...

The left or the right one? What if I'm on birth control?

[Corker]

*curiosity is piqued*

Do you mean transforming the source material (independent of audience), or transfoming/changing audience itself?

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Corker wrote...

*curiosity is piqued*

Do you mean transforming the source material (independent of audience), or transfoming/changing audience itself?

Supposedly, this.

Guess what! We've been transforming all this time and didn't know it!

[Corker]

"A transformative use is one that, in the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, 'adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the [source] with new expression, meaning, or message.'"

Hum. I wonder how one determines the original "meaning or message" of an interactive property like DAO? The "meaning" of my Brosca playthrough was claiming an identity; Mahariel was grieving over the loss of the same; Cousland2 was, until very late in the game, just an exercise in solo tactics.

Would you just look at the hard-coded plot points and dialogue? (There's an awful lot of revenge in DAO, and a good bit on the destructive power of love.)

'Course, I suppose "new expression" could conceivably cover everything short of a direct rewrite or unofficial abridgment. Sort of a shame... makes the category almost useless, doesn't it?

[Raonar]

*begins rant*

People trying to categorize is just a side effect of them trying to impose their idea of what acceptable or suitable norms are, or what elements contain most of the essence they can see in an element that is being scrutinized.

Ergo, an exercise in stroking their own conceit.

So Of COURSE categories are pretty useless )))

*ends rant*

Seriously,though, for games like this, yeah, kind of hard to tell.

[Maria13]

How interesting... I imagine it would be easier to argue that a story taking place after or before the game timeline is transformative rather than one that that is contemporaneous to it, which may also be transformative but for other reasons...

[Corker]

No, categorization is an immensely useful method for chunking the world into things we can process, cognitively. One of the major weaknesses in AI today is the inability of software to learn adequate, right-sized categories, which are both robust and flexible.

When I see a tree, I do not have to count the number of leaves, see their shape or touch its bark to know that it is a tree. I know that trees have certain properties, like being made out of wood, having roots and branches. Some have flowers; some shed their leaves.

On the other hand, I also know that not every green thing is a tree. And some shrubs are woody, but they're not trees either.

This is an amazing ability that lets me live my life without spending too much time and energy assessing every single object that I encounter in my day. It is about as far from useless as you can get.

It *can* have pernicious effects, like stereotyping. It's such a powerful and useful tool that we're inclined to apply it everywhere, even in places where it's not appropriate (like on other people). That doesn't mean the tool is bad; it just means you have to watch what you're doing with it.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

I think if the Supreme Court had to get involved with the definition of "transformative", it was probably meant to clarify or define work that, like fanfiction, uses someone else's characters, universe and storyline without actually being plagiarism or copyright infringement.

[Raonar]

Corker wrote...

No, categorization is an immensely useful method for chunking the world into things we can process, cognitively. One of the major weaknesses in AI today is the inability of software to learn adequate, right-sized categories, which are both robust and flexible.

When I see a tree, I do not have to count the number of leaves, see their shape or touch its bark to know that it is a tree. I know that trees have certain properties, like being made out of wood, having roots and branches. Some have flowers; some shed their leaves.

On the other hand, I also know that not every green thing is a tree. And some shrubs are woody, but they're not trees either.

This is an amazing ability that lets me live my life without spending too much time and energy assessing every single object that I encounter in my day. It is about as far from useless as you can get.

It *can* have pernicious effects, like stereotyping. It's such a powerful and useful tool that we're inclined to apply it everywhere, even in places where it's not appropriate (like on other people). That doesn't mean the tool is bad; it just means you have to watch what you're doing with it.

Heh, I completely agree. Why do you think I used the rant brackets (or whatever)?

Modifié par Raonar, 15 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[LupusYondergirl]

I don't think their goal is to stereotype or group or anything half as nefarious as what seems to be suggested here. Their main goal is to establish 'transformative works' (ie anything involving another person's world or characters) as a unique form of expression. Established forms of art are easier to defend in court, after all.
The desire to protect people like us should companies like EA decide to take a stronger stance on copyright is a pretty good thing, IMO, regardless of how they phrase it.

[Raonar]

LOL, I never thought my random rant (which I already said was intended as bull****) would lead tot this

[Elysium-Fic]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

I don't think their goal is to stereotype or group or anything half as nefarious as what seems to be suggested here. Their main goal is to establish 'transformative works' (ie anything involving another person's world or characters) as a unique form of expression. Established forms of art are easier to defend in court, after all.
The desire to protect people like us should companies like EA decide to take a stronger stance on copyright is a pretty good thing, IMO, regardless of how they phrase it.

This, exactly.

My last fandom, 10-15 years ago now, was X-Files, when the Internet was just starting to emerge as an outlet for fandom and fanworks. I remember very well fanfic authors and fanartists whom I knew personally getting Cease & Desist orders from FOX, and fanfic archives being shut down because the web host received a Cease & Desist.

So, IMO, the OTW is DEFINITELY a thing worth supporting, because I don't want to see that happen again.

[DreGregoire]

Hi everybody! *reads the last page of forum thread and gets a headache, so she decides to go back to writing fanfiction.* LOL.

[Maria13]

I think the advent of Kindle et al is also going to be a game changer also...

BTW Elys I downloaded your epic on my kindle. I am full of admiration at your re-writing it because it's very well drafted in the first place.

Modifié par Maria13, 15 avril 2011 - 06:25 .

[DreGregoire]

I don't have a kindle I have a nook, my husband has a kindle. I just download kindle stuff to my computer or laptop to read. I could buy a kindle but it just doesn't make financial sense at this time. I plan to get the cheapest kindle when I do buy one because I don't need all of the other stuff. My colored nook goes to bed with me; and into the garden, kitchen, and other places. I don't plan on taking a game to bed with me... wait... that just sounded so wrong. Oh well. *giggles*

Wait... I have to make this fanfiction related right? Okay I can upload my own fanfiction to my nook and some other peoples stuff as well. Yay! LOL.

Oh and I can read fanfiction on my cell phone!

Modifié par DreGregoire, 15 avril 2011 - 06:42 .

[Maria Caliban]

Corker wrote...

*curiosity is piqued*

Do you mean transforming the source material (independent of audience), or transfoming/changing audience itself?

I wasn't sure. I went to the AO3 site and noticed that they're meant to host 'transformative fanworks.'

It was interested in what that meant but they seem to be suggesting that any fanwork is transformative.

To me, that somewhat neuters the concept. For example, The Wind Done Gone is a retelling of Gone with the Wind rom the viewpoint of a slave named Cynara. That to me seems transformative. I was also thinking about how traditional media is still very much the product of a certain demographic, (white, male, straight, middle class) while fanworks are by definition, open to a wider range of people, and how that might influence what's created or how characters are (re)interpreted.

That's just my background speaking though. I'm sure there are other meaning to transformative.

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

I think if the Supreme Court had to get involved with the definition of "transformative", it was probably meant to clarify or define work that, like fanfiction, uses someone else's characters, universe and storyline without actually being plagiarism or copyright infringement.

Indeed. I now assume that they're using the word 'transformative' as a preemptive legal protection.

That said, in a legal sense, most fanfiction I read isn't transformative. Most authors attempt to write within the confines of what they (and the large community) perceive as the original intent of the work, and those that go against 'canon' rarely do so to press a large point or change the audience's view of the existing work.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[Elysium-Fic]

Maria13 wrote...

I think the advent of Kindle et al is also going to be a game changer also...

BTW Elys I downloaded your epic on my kindle. I am full of admiration at your re-writing it because it's very well drafted in the first place.

Thank you!