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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Common conversation around me when I'm not talking to a fellow nerd:

Person: So you do writing! As a hobby? Written anything big?
Me: I did a 145k word story last year.
Person: *impressed!* Wow. Are you getting it published.
Me: Nah, it's not something I can publish. I just put it online for people to read.
Person: Can I read it?
Me: Um...it's written for a specific audience in mind so you might not get the full story, but if you want?
Person: Why can't you get it published?
Me: It's just...*cough*fanfiction*cough*...not publishable? And I only did it for fun?

[DreGregoire]

I remember being scornful of Harlequin romances, I never said anything to those who read them, but it wasn't my cup of tea. Never thought I would read or write fanfiction. Although it may seem like a huge waste of time to many; it's my time to waste and I'm enjoying what I'm doing so... What can you do right? I'm still not found of Harlequin romance and they are too tame for me now. haha! I reject this term nerd. I'm not into stereotyping. But if one must be labeled how about being called a Dragon Age Fanatic? *hugz to all*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 04 mai 2011 - 04:15 .

[GSSAGE7]

inquartata02 wrote...
Stories with the Warden are almost guaranteed to fail that litmus test by the very nature that the Warden is a playable character from a game, and by definition, overpowered and has too much influence.

I just read this after going through no less than 3 tests saying my Cousland was a Sue, just due to stuff that was all possible in the game. I kinda wish I saw that earlier.

[Raonar]

Right, so i have a question about how powerful you people think the Sacred Ashes are. I'm assuming they should be stronger than whatever a Spirit Healer can pull off, so do you assume it can regenerate lost limbs? Or just fix whatever condition (even old crippling injuries) so long as all the flesh is still there?

P.S.
I'm departing from the assumption that the ashes can cure brain damage (that's what i think Eamon had) and, thus, pretty much everything else, since neurons are, as far as i remember, the most complex and capricious sort of human cells.

Modifié par Raonar, 05 mai 2011 - 11:26 .

[Corker]

Personally, I see them curing disease and poison (which is what I think Eamon had) and I suppose nanites or other "small and insidious foreign things causing havoc in the body." It would probably cure all your allergies forever.

I am ambivalent on restoring function to non-functioning but intact organs and limbs. Making the blind see, the lame walk, etc., certainly fits into the general holy healing schtick. I think my dividing line is if there's no visible change - the limb/organ is sufficiently intact that it looks like it ought to work, but it doesn't for some reason. I'd have a problem with a twisted leg or arm suddenly glowing and magically becoming straight.

I don't see it closing wounds or regrowing limbs.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I'd have it to curing ailments, neutralising poisons, but like Corker not have it regrow limbs or close wounds. I see it as having the capabilities of the most awesome medicine EVAR, which doesn't extend to healing flesh and bone but more balancing the internal juices.

But WoG is that if Leliana is slain at the Ashes there is a 'reason' she comes back to life. For all we can know it can resurrect the dead.

[mousestalker]

I think the Sacred Ashes, in addition to any lyrium enhanced effects, are infused with an extra helping of plotions, so that things previously considered impossible become possible. They are the Thedas equivalent of Zombo.com.

All of which is a semi-snarky way of saying that the ashes are a plot device designed to cure the ailing Arl.

[Raonar]

Well, the codex itself pretty much says it can close wounds, so that's nothing to contest. I also think I remember Genitivi saying something like the blind seeing and the limp/crippled dancing in joy or something. I know it was in the game somewhere.

I'll go with everything except regrowing lost limbs i think. Maybe I'll even let it cure scars or something, but that's it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I suspect that since the Ashes were never found until the Warden got there, the legends of their capabilities were largely religious hype.

OTOH, if religious hype (or faith) is what dictates their powers, perhaps they are indeed capable. Which, on second thoughts, is probbly how it's meant to be.

[Raonar]

Does that mechanic of faith over matter even work in DAO?

[Corker]

Eh, the Disciple Havard also got a free vision of Risen Andraste and was one of her closest followers. That's more the Road to Emmaus, IMO, than just encountering a relic. (Not that anyone was healed on the Road to Emmaus, but if they were, it kind of fits the suit since the pilgrims were in the presence of the living divine.)

The efficacy of faith/prayer in Thedas seems... muddled at best. Apparently the Maker isn't listening, but also apparently Andraste is? And (unless you're Tevinter) she's elevated to co-divine status, so one assumes an Andrastan would think she could answer prayers and work miracles.

I get mixes signals on the whole thing from canon, honestly. Which isn't totally off-base; popular piety and official church doctrine can diverge wildly. It might be the official position that the Maker doesn't answer prayers, but folks in Ferelden certainly seem to think it helps. The Chantry needs some Jesuits to keep the pulpits on-message, I think.

[mousestalker]

Corker wrote...

snippage

I get mixes signals on the whole thing from canon, honestly. Which isn't totally off-base; popular piety and official church doctrine can diverge wildly. It might be the official position that the Maker doesn't answer prayers, but folks in Ferelden certainly seem to think it helps. The Chantry needs some Jesuits to keep the pulpits on-message, I think.

Wouldn't they be Andrastitutes?

:innocent:

[Raonar]

I know! I'll have the guy not be cured of his missing limb but healed of his facial scar, so he'll be able to say that the missing limb is a punishment/test/whatever that the Maker/Andraste feels he should bear. That way the muddled situation is preserved

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Corker wrote...

Eh, the Disciple Havard also got a free vision of Risen Andraste and was one of her closest followers. That's more the Road to Emmaus, IMO, than just encountering a relic. (Not that anyone was healed on the Road to Emmaus, but if they were, it kind of fits the suit since the pilgrims were in the presence of the living divine.)

The efficacy of faith/prayer in Thedas seems... muddled at best. Apparently the Maker isn't listening, but also apparently Andraste is? And (unless you're Tevinter) she's elevated to co-divine status, so one assumes an Andrastan would think she could answer prayers and work miracles.

I get mixes signals on the whole thing from canon, honestly. Which isn't totally off-base; popular piety and official church doctrine can diverge wildly. It might be the official position that the Maker doesn't answer prayers, but folks in Ferelden certainly seem to think it helps. The Chantry needs some Jesuits to keep the pulpits on-message, I think.

Well, I'm not suggesting that what happens in Andraste's temple is evidence of any aspects of the Andrastian faith being true, per se. More than the concentrated lyrium could have absorbed/reflected/echoed the beliefs of others, from the miraculous curing agency of the Ashes to the religious sentiments of the Guardian. It's been *influenced* by faith and the belief of those who once kept the temple and tomb, and whether or not the basis of that faith is true, that's what the lyrium has been imbued with.

(...and now I'm wondering if the Primeval Thaig had something similar but drastically *opposite* happen. Huh.)

[Raonar]

I have this notion that Lyrium is like the gathering of all dwarven souls or whatever other entities die but do not go to the fade and beyond, wherever Morrigan went. It WOULD explain the voices in the lyrium idol, the whisper of the stone (The Stone Sense) and how lyrium veins grow over time (think the Anvil of the Void. there are two huge columns there in the lava around which there are hige lyrium veins curled, like they grew the same way bean stem does).

And "The Stone Lives beneath Orlais" -a golem in DA2 says this- may be the nexus of souls. This Dwraven faith that they return to the stone probably has more to it than just hogwash.

I also think the 'trap' with four large faces the Warden fights in his way to the Anvil, the one that spawns dwarven spirits, is proof of this.

[KSuri]

@Raonar......That is the coolest of beans theory on lyrium I've heard.

Did people migrate off ff.net recently? I haven't got much in the way of updates on subscribed stories by people who are usually pretty consistent.

[Raonar]

KSuri wrote...

@Raonar......That is the coolest of beans theory on lyrium I've heard.

Did people migrate off ff.net recently? I haven't got much in the way of updates on subscribed stories by people who are usually pretty consistent.

Well, there must be a reason lyrium is called the voice of the ancestors, right? And that guy, Garin, the addled merchant in orzammar, says Lyrium is "more alive than you or me, raw blood of the eath."

I also noticed a drop in FF.net feedback, particulrly reviews. I think they were put off by that week (or two?) when reviwing, posting new stories/chapters and pretty much everything esle gave errors. I have my story up on Archive of Our Own but I never got any comments there (not that I expected any).

Modifié par Raonar, 06 mai 2011 - 06:45 .

[jackkel dragon]

My Merrill (from DA2) catharsism fic has "kudos" on AO3, but I have no comments or anything over there yet. And my three-week or so short story has barely even been touched on either FF.net or AO3. Apparently, I need to write more 1k stories. >_<

I have nothing to add to the discussion, but lyrium being more interesting than it already is intrigues me.

[Merilsell]

Hmm, there is a slight drop back in my stats the past two weeks...then again they have been borderline insane for 2 months now. So it seems to get more normal now where the (first) DA2-hype is gone. It seems my Blight story has drawn its attention from this as well. As for reviews, I have my regular 4-5 reviews per week and a few new readers, so I'm not complaining. But I also update once per week since nearly 2 months instead of bi-weekly. Dunno if that had so much of an effect.

[KSuri]

Whew! I just put up a chapter after a six month hiatus. My marathon unfinished story finally bugged me enough to work on it. >.<

Contains sensitive subjects though so we'll see what happens.

[mousestalker]

Not that it matters to anyone but me, but I'm trying to fill every Sigrun prompt there is. If there's an idea for a Siggy relationship you want filled, go ahead and post it. I've done Varric and Dagan and am now writing Nathaniel.

I had been stuck on Anders, because Anders 2.0 kept crowding in. Luckily the good folks on IRC last night at Warden's Vigil came up with some excellent ideas on how to pair the two. I'm saving the Brosca prompt for the very last as I want to be self indulgent and wallow in it.

[Raonar]

Right, speaking of Sigrun, does anyone here remember more or less exactly who that Vollney guy was that she once knew? Varlan? Is that him? The one that gives her the ring? Is anything known about him except "he never talked about his past but we were pals?"

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Merilsell wrote...

Hmm, there is a slight drop back in my stats the past two weeks...then again they have been borderline insane for 2 months now. So it seems to get more normal now where the (first) DA2-hype is gone. It seems my Blight story has drawn its attention from this as well. As for reviews, I have my regular 4-5 reviews per week and a few new readers, so I'm not complaining. But I also update once per week since nearly 2 months instead of bi-weekly. Dunno if that had so much of an effect.

I can't seem to update more often than once every 3-4 weeks --how do you all do it? And Merilsell, your chapters are not short-- so I wonder if that has an effect on my stats. I do get some new readers each time, but I'm equally grateful for those who come back after such a long hiatus and continue to read the new chapters.

[mousestalker]

Varlan Vollney is the guy. Other than he is a member of House Vollney, there isn't much to know. He taught Sigrun to read.

[Merilsell]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
I can't seem to update more often than once every 3-4 weeks --how do you all do it? And Merilsell, your chapters are not short-- so I wonder if that has an effect on my stats. I do get some new readers each time, but I'm equally grateful for those who come back after such a long hiatus and continue to read the new chapters.

Actually I don't know, lol. I have a wonderful beta made of awesomesauce who is as crazy as me and really fast and throughout with her corrections *hugs Mackillian* ...so that helps to keep my weekly schedule. Then I also have (almost) always a chapter more written than of what is published. Buffer are awesome and keep me from doing a lot of OMGOMGOMG flailing when the end of the week is near and time to publish.

As for the chapter length, I have arranged myself with the fact that I can't pull out a chapter under 5000 words for the sake of my life. Ever. So accepting the fact makes it easier to not flail when I publish a typical 9k word chapter, lol. Wordy FF is wordy. But I don't think that I have more reader because of that...sure the weekly schedule helps to be more present but I would rather think that people are bewildered by the pure length of it. 280k words and still counting. Cough.