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[Morwen Eledhwen]

I believe there must be some sort of a muse virus going around --"inspirus erraticus". Mine is also doing the "shut down for a week, then pop in with all sorts of ideas for later chapters instead of the one on which you're supposed to be working" thing. Ugh. I need to lasso her and apply the reins a bit, I think. As with Lakhi, I have a good 70 percent of my latest chapter sitting there all nice and composed on my hard drive. . .but it's that last 30 percent that's making my head hurt.

[Corker]

Question! I have a game of "Lame or Lore?" to play...

Like I said, I'm outlining. I'm using my favorite DA2 ending that doesn't exist, the one where apostate!Hawke gets corrupted and merges with {an optional game boss} to become the Demon Queen of Kirkwall.

The Intrepid Heroes, of course, have something to say about that.

I was thinking that AU abomination!Hawke would chuck them into Fade dreams, like Sloth does in DAO. I don't think there will be a final battle in the Fade; {optional boss} would be too strong, so there's going to be a binding ritual borrowed from {another optional boss}. So they'll need to 'wake up' and escape the Fade in a way that doesn't involve killing the Demon Queen; I think I can finesse that.

My question is whether or not the entire "pulled into Fade fantasies" thing is too overdone (lame) or a good idea based on several in-game examples (lore).

[Sialater]

I had a Fade pocket in mine. Don't see why yours wouldn't work.

[mousestalker]

I'm going leave my attorney hat on and equivocate. It depends upon how you handle it. Based upon your past writing, I think it would work.

[Raonar]

You'd have to explain why the demon queen doesn't murder their bodies after he traps them in the Fade.

Modifié par Raonar, 06 juillet 2011 - 03:14 .

[Lakhi]

It all comes down to who realistic the approach to it is and how it's set up, as long as you make it believable, then it works.

[Sialater]

Like Sloth, they'd provide power while alive. Dead, they're not coppertops.

[Corker]

The same reason Sloth doesn't, I'd suppose.

[Raonar]

Because of laziness? That's pretty much the only reason I see for him. Sloth keeps them alive in order to leech as much life force form them as possible. The demon queen would not need this, not really. And you should probably address the fact that staying in the place where she merged with the demon just so she could make sure they stay asleep for as long as possible would be a distinctly bad idea.

Modifié par Raonar, 06 juillet 2011 - 04:04 .

[DreGregoire]

Corker wrote...


My question is whether or not the entire "pulled into Fade fantasies" thing is too overdone (lame) or a good idea based on several in-game examples (lore).

I don't think it's overdone at all. There are so many possiblities to explore yet. Each experience (fantasy) is capable of being so unique that despite the idea being familiar the actual execution (meaning the how it happens and the reasons why the people have been pulled into the fade and what type of being pulled them there) of the fade fantasies allows for an extreme wide range of stories for us to create and share. Sounds like it'll be a fun story to write. Good luck

Modifié par DreGregoire, 06 juillet 2011 - 04:42 .

[DreGregoire]

double post deleted

Modifié par DreGregoire, 06 juillet 2011 - 04:44 .

[DreGregoire]

ummm what? double post woot twice the Dre! LOL

[Corker]

Raonar wrote...

Sloth keeps them alive in order to leech as much life force form them as possible. The demon queen would not need this, not really.

Possibly true.  OTOH, I'm still giving a nod to the pulp adventure genre with these, so Villainous Death Traps and Evil Gloating are appropriate (if not efficient).  She *will* take the {binding token thing} from the heroes while they're out, which she won't get a chance to do if it goes straight to a fight.

My alternative is to just go straight to physical combat, I think.

Raonar wrote...
And you should probably address the fact that staying in the place where she merged with the demon just so she could make sure they stay asleep for as long as possible would be a distinctly bad idea.

I... what?

[Raonar]

Corker wrote...

Raonar wrote...
And you should probably address the fact that staying in the place where she merged with the demon just so she could make sure they stay asleep for as long as possible would be a distinctly bad idea.

I... what?

I went on the impression that the party members/heroes, or some of them, would be present wherever the abominationization occurs, so it wouldn't do to put them to sleep there and just stick around.

[Corker]

Oh, no. There's significant time between one thing and the other. Can't have the zombie apocalypse otherwise.

[Raonar]

Well, if you make her an abomination of pride, I suppose that pride COULD give her some smug snake tendencies and make her leave them alive for some reason or another. Still, the Genre Savviness shouldn't go away completely, so she'd at least have to take away their weapons and maybe throw them in cells or cocoons or those magic, life-draining-to-fuel-my-spell thingies that you save a guy from in DA2.

Or something.

[inquartata02]

 ...zombie apocalypse? 

Anyway, even if the demon has merged, it's still a demon, it still wants power, and if chucking people into the Fade like a sloth demon would do means they'd provide power over time, I don't see why the demon/abomination wouldn't go that route as long as things look reasonably safe.

The question of safe would be is who is more in control, abomination!Hawke or the demon? The demon wouldn't be quite as smart about the real world as Hawke, so the demon wouldn't quite see all the necessary things that it must do to keep the heroes neutralized while it sucked the life out of 'em. 

As for readability, like others have said, it totally depends on how you do it, especially the in-Fade section. However, from what I've seen of your writing, you can totally pull it off.

Modifié par inquartata02, 06 juillet 2011 - 06:07 .

[Sialater]

I believe I'm about to write my Final Scene for The Rescue.

I'm terrified!

[Maria13]

Chapter 75 is the last chapter of "Dark Ritual". Not terrified [yet] but have to take care...

[inquartata02]

Woo! You can do it! Both of you!

[Corker]

Endings are hard! Anything longer than a short story or scene, and I find them to be like pulling teeth. Good luck to both of you!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Corker wrote...

My question is whether or not the entire "pulled into Fade fantasies" thing is too overdone (lame) or a good idea based on several in-game examples (lore).

Nahh. I like pulled into the Fade fantasies. They don't even have to be introspective if you don't want them to be. I mean, Sloth had a vested interest in draining his victims' wills and wanting them to lay down their arms, so he created fantasies. Baroness/Pride Demon on the other hand had her own virtual keep and the souls of (many of) her victims were railing against her long after they'd physically died, which was when Justice and then the Warden could step in.

'Spose it depends what purpose the Demon Queen has trapped them. The Mother did it just to get the party out of the way, and presumably would have had some vague plan to send more darkspawn toddling to the Blackmarsh to stab them all dead once they were asleep if she hadn't been insane.

Going by the Enigma, Kirkwall probably has a really interesting Fade-version.

[Merilsell]

Best of luck to you both writing your ending. I have mine in mind for over a year now, but it will pass a lot of water down the river, so to speak, until I'm able to write it down.

I was totally wrapped up in writing tonight, which is good in many ways, because it was the first time since a week. My intention was to write just one, albeit important convo, but ugh...as always I'm writing so much more. Like another convo before it, a crapload of introspective and voila I have another long-winded chapter, which will have 9k* in the end, probably. Why am I unable to write SHORTER ones and why do I have to write each chapter under a certain theme, that makes it impossible for me to part them in a sensible way? Why do the characters refuse to shut up and be more curt in her conversations to each other? No they have to pour their hearts out and talk about feelings and all that long-winded stuff and they have to do it NOA. It can't wait, apparently.

What am I doooooiiiing here at all? o_O No one's going to read that wall of text...but... buuut it is an impoooortant chapter and has one theme, which means I can't part it *kicks myself* Umm...yeah. Better be going now, before I ramble even more. >__>

(*I'm so sorry you have to go through that to beta it, Inquartata/Mack. D: )

[Raonar]

Merilsell wrote...

Best of luck to you both writing your ending. I have mine in mind for over a year now, but it will pass a lot of water down the river, so to speak, until I'm able to write it down.

I was totally wrapped up in writing tonight, which is good in many ways, because it was the first time since a week. My intention was to write just one, albeit important convo, but ugh...as always I'm writing so much more. Like another convo before it, a crapload of introspective and voila I have another long-winded chapter, which will have 9k* in the end, probably. Why am I unable to write SHORTER ones and why do I have to write each chapter under a certain theme, that makes it impossible for me to part them in a sensible way? Why do the characters refuse to shut up and be more curt in her conversations to each other? No they have to pour their hearts out and talk about feelings and all that long-winded stuff and they have to do it NOA. It can't wait, apparently.

What am I doooooiiiing here at all? o_O No one's going to read that wall of text...but... buuut it is an impoooortant chapter and has one theme, which means I can't part it *kicks myself* Umm...yeah. Better be going now, before I ramble even more. >__>

(*I'm so sorry you have to go through that to beta it, Inquartata/Mack. D: )

You think that's bad? My chapters average at 12K or so. I did have one of just 5k words once, but most are from 9k up, the longest being 23k (I know I mentioned before). Yeah, it's mostly because I choose a point up to which I want to take the plot and then write whatever I feel is good to cover things. I know if this were an original fiction I'd want to publish, my editor would hate me for writing such a doorstopper. Ah well.

[Maria13]

Inq, Corker, Meri thanks. Good luck Sia.

My chaps 2,500-3,500 I'm an impatient gal and I guess I assume those reading are impatient, too.