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[Maria Caliban]

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Edit: ME 3 will likely end with Shepard whipping out her **** and smacking the head Reaper in the face with it until the Reaper asplodes.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 08 février 2010 - 11:48 .

[Randomname1212]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Well the character should have some flaws to be more realistic. And they can't exactly be overboard super-heroes, when they fight they fight with companions and the fights dont always go that smoothly. I was thinking like a mage character who could basically wipe out a whole horde of darkspawn or something.

[Maria Caliban]

Randomname1212 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Well the character should have some flaws to be more realistic. And they can't exactly be overboard super-heroes, when they fight they fight with companions and the fights dont always go that smoothly.

So nothing like the actual PCs?

I was thinking like a mage character who could basically wipe out a whole horde of darkspawn or something.

My sword and board PC killed over 1,000 darkspawn during my first play through.

[Randomname1212]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Randomname1212 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Well the character should have some flaws to be more realistic. And they can't exactly be overboard super-heroes, when they fight they fight with companions and the fights dont always go that smoothly.

So nothing like the actual PCs?

I was thinking like a mage character who could basically wipe out a whole horde of darkspawn or something.

My sword and board PC killed over 1,000 darkspawn during my first play through.

Oh, I  meant kill a whole horde of darkspawn in one run.

[Tasmen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Edit: ME 3 will likely end with Shepard whipping out her **** and smacking the head Reaper in the face with it until the Reaper asplodes.

I don't know.  I think it's quite possible to avoid Mary Suisms.   I've seen quite a few fics that I don't think fall into that particular pit.

[hexaligned]

Maria Caliban wrote...

4,008 words and far too many hours stare back at you and say, "Not only is this boring, but the characters don't seem to be anything like the ones in the game at all!"

Also, as anyone else addicted to reviews?

I'd say thats a good thing.  When I write the most important thing to me is making unique characters.  I never saw the point or appeal of using preexisting ones or worlds as a backdrop.  I wouldn't say all fanfiction sucks.. some of it is readable, I just don't understand being drawn to write it from an authors perspective.  Lots of people are though apparently...so I'm willing to accept I'm just the odd man out concerning it.

As a side, I wouldn't be discouraged, if say, Alistair dosen't come across exatcly like he does in the game. I would expect a good writer to flesh him out and give him a lot more deapth and a more fractured personality than the one he has in game.  Unless you want to fill 30 pages with random one liners and selfish whining, he's going to seem different

[Randomname1212]

Tasmen wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.

Edit: ME 3 will likely end with Shepard whipping out her **** and smacking the head Reaper in the face with it until the Reaper asplodes.

I don't know.  I think it's quite possible to avoid Mary Suisms.   I've seen quite a few fics that I don't think fall into that particular pit.

Thank you for the support of my argument!

[Creature 1]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

[Randomname1212]

Also another thing I don't like to see in writing is when someone tries to explain a far-out event by saying "somehow" then using it many times.

[hexaligned]

Creature 1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

Agreed, they might  be able to swing a sword, that dosen't mean they can't fail at every other aspect of life.  Or even that leaving piles of bodies in their wake, is nessasarily a path to victory.

Modifié par relhart, 09 février 2010 - 12:21 .

[Randomname1212]

relhart wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

Agreed, they might  be able to swing a sword, that dosen't mean they can't fail at every other aspect of life.  Or even that leaving piles of bodies in their wake, isn't nessasarily a path to victory.

Aye, and killing 1000 Darkspawn over a long span of time is a lot different to killing them all in a prolonged fight.

[Maria Caliban]

Creature 1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

Commander is the tip of the spear of humanity, she's brought back from the dead for 4 billion credits because she's the only one who save the galaxy from the evil horde, she is loved and adored by people with little effort, and nothing she does ever has negative or unintended consequences.

How is Commander Shepard not a Mary Sue?

[Randomname1212]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

Commander is the tip of the spear of humanity, she's brought back from the dead for 4 billion credits because she's the only one who save the galaxy from the evil horde, she is loved and adored by people with little effort, and nothing she does ever has negative or unintended consequences.

How is Commander Shepard not a Mary Sue?

I wasn't talking about Sheppie by the way.

[Tasmen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Commander is the tip of the spear of humanity, she's brought back from the dead for 4 billion credits because she's the only one who save the galaxy from the evil horde, she is loved and adored by people with little effort, and nothing she does ever has negative or unintended consequences.

How is Commander Shepard not a Mary Sue?

Well I guess it depends on what you consider consequences.  Some of the Kaidan fangirls out there might say that there are consequences that are suffered.

Anyway, you are talking the game story here as Mary Sue.  That doesn't mean that folks that write fanfic will necessarily fall into that particular pattern.  They could easily write their PC shep or PC warden to have faults (but nto too many faults as to be anti-sue) and have definite consequences of their actions.  That's the joy of fanfic, you can write out things that may not have mentioned or took place in the game.

[Maria Caliban]

Tasmen wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Commander is the tip of the spear of humanity, she's brought back from the dead for 4 billion credits because she's the only one who save the galaxy from the evil horde, she is loved and adored by people with little effort, and nothing she does ever has negative or unintended consequences.

How is Commander Shepard not a Mary Sue?

Well I guess it depends on what you consider consequences.  Some of the Kaidan fangirls out there might say that there are consequences that are suffered.

Anyway, you are talking the game story here as Mary Sue.  That doesn't mean that folks that write fanfic will necessarily fall into that particular pattern.  They could easily write their PC shep or PC warden to have faults (but nto too many faults as to be anti-sue) and have definite consequences of their actions.  That's the joy of fanfic, you can write out things that may not have mentioned or took place in the game.

I didn't say it was impossible, only that it was difficult.

Sure, I could write a story where Shepard is a recovering alcholoic who's terrified of assuming control and has no people skills. It's questionable how such a person could become an Allience Commander or SPECTRE. BioWare PCs are Canon Sues. Stories about them are usually going to be Mary Sue fics.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 février 2010 - 12:40 .

[Creature 1]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It would be difficult to write a fanfiction staring Commander Shepard or the Warden without it being a Mary Sue.
 

I don't think so.  A high body count does not in itself make a Sue. 

Commander is the tip of the spear of humanity, she's brought back from the dead for 4 billion credits because she's the only one who save the galaxy from the evil horde, she is loved and adored by people with little effort, and nothing she does ever has negative or unintended consequences.

How is Commander Shepard not a Mary Sue?

Beats me, I haven't played ME.  I wasn't talking about her. 

[Kohaku]

I don't think I'll ever post anything I write here. I'm not a writer at all but sometimes I get thoughts in my head and try to write something based off it. It's more fun to share with friends in private. They can see bits and pieces of what I'm working on and I don't have to worry about going down "Mary Sue" trails with them.

[Sialater]

It's entirely possible to have a non-Sue Grey Warden. Not sure about Shep, though.

[Maria Caliban]

Sialater wrote...

It's entirely possible to have a non-Sue Grey Warden. Not sure about Shep, though.

I don't recall saying it wasn't possible.

[Sialater]

I know, just sorta agreeing with you in a round about way.

[tallon1982]

Hm makes me wonder if I'm one of those Sue people

[Maria Caliban]

Anyways, I have no objection to Mary Sues. I'd suggest that a large number of popular characters - James Bond, Superman, Captain Kirk - are Sues, and fantasy is filled with exceptional individuals with almost no flaws who are destined to decide the final and greatest battle of good vs evil.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Flawed characters are the most interesting, IMO. There's no room for character development if they're perfect.

[Maeves_Child]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anyways, I have no objection to Mary Sues. I'd suggest that a large number of popular characters - James Bond, Superman, Captain Kirk - are Sues, and fantasy is filled with exceptional individuals with almost no flaws who are destined to decide the final and greatest battle of good vs evil.

What exactly would you say constitutes a "flaw" then?  James Kirk was an egomaniac, James Bond was a playboy womanizer, Superman was, in essence, the ultimate liar, living two lives.  Now certainly they are on the high end of magnificent, but they too aren't without flaws.

A character can be good as can be, but a bad judge of how people feel about her/him.  A character can be evil, but show mercy when moved to.  A character can be heroic, but be a jerk.  A person can be beautiful or ugly, big hearted or cold, do the wrong things or the right ones.

These are truths.

I think you get into Sue territory when there's no substance, not when someone is worthy of being admired for some of their traits or actions.

Mind you, I've never been accused of creating a Mary Sue character, although I probably have from time to time.  But I have seen magnificent writing be torn apart because the protagonist is a nice person, who has clean hair and feels guilty when people die.  

That's not a Sue.  It's just a person.

Anything else is just cynicism.  And trust me, if I'm saying that, you should know it's pretty damn cynical.

[Maria Caliban]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Flawed characters are the most interesting, IMO. There's no room for character development if they're perfect.

Outside of tragedy, I find most flaws are forced and add little to the character or narrative. For me, a character’s struggle is more important than ‘development.’ I see no character development in Hamlet, for example, though there are times when Hamlet questions himself and his duty, but his character remains consistent throughout.

Maeves_Child wrote...

These are truths.

Yeah, I was reading until this. You may be right or wrong, but I come to the forums to have conversation, not listen to people’s gospel.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 février 2010 - 02:33 .